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[AgitatedLemon]

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

He is sying that because that favorite companions of one group is in ME3 they do not care that favorite of others will not be or that they were betrayed by bioware.

Oh.

I can understand where he's coming from, and I see what he means now, but I wouldn't really say "betrayed".

[Shepard John N7-041154]

No, lied to or tricked is better?

[AgitatedLemon]

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

No, lied to or tricked is better?

More like simply misled.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 03 janvier 2012 - 06:19 .

[Ashley_SR2]

Troll answer: People are all "me me me" - Wanting more for their interests even at the expense of others

Slightly rational answer: Thanks to the emotional connection many players feel with these characters, they are understandably defensive and want the best for them. Of course, with Mass Effect being a product sold to a consumer at a specific price point, there is only so much that can go around. Players are vying for a larger chunk of the pie and it gets competitive.

[Shepard John N7-041154]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

No, lied to or tricked is better?

Again, when did they lie and tell you that you would get your favourite in the squad? I don't recall that ever happening.

During the gameinformer article and e3 bioware said they would include everything in the final chapter because it is the last one. They misled the fans of certain companions. It is unfair by the company and I find it surprising that as a fellow fan you object to this stance. So he was not lying when he said the fans were divided and selfidh.

[Ashley_SR2]

Hi Shepard John N7! Do you have a link to the gameinformer article stating all this? Where were fans misled? I'd like to see your sources and interpret them.

[Shepard John N7-041154]

I remember I saw it here a long time ago. I don nopt have the game informer but it was the first one article that came out representing ME3. And I remember reading it here that everthing they wanted to include but couldnt would be in the kast chapter. I was assuming the companions like Thane and Miranda would be included aswell. Now I am informed that they will be making appearences which is misleading to fans of these compions.

[jtav]

What was said was that basically all squad members would be back in one form or another. No one was ever promised squad status. Indeed, they outright said some wouldn't be. The irony is that some ME2 characters are now better-written than they were when they were team members. Especially Jack and potentially Miranda.

However, I am extreme;y annoyed that no ME2-exclusive character made the team.

Modifié par jtav, 03 janvier 2012 - 06:29 .

[Shepard John N7-041154]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

No, lied to or tricked is better?

Again, when did they lie and tell you that you would get your favourite in the squad? I don't recall that ever happening.

During the gameinformer article and e3 bioware said they would include everything in the final chapter because it is the last one. They misled the fans of certain companions. It is unfair by the company and I find it surprising that as a fellow fan you object to this stance. So he was not lying when he said the fans were divided and selfidh.

"include everything" seems like a ridiculously vague term to me; I don't think you can draw any kind of conclusion from that.

Anyway, the one thing I do remember is Bioware saying that ME3 would have a "smaller, more intimate squad". This, it appears, they did not lie about.

Regardless, I must object to this "if a character is not on the squad, then their part in the game in unsatisfactory" sentiment. From what I've seen in the leak, Bioware is trying their best to provide good content for all of the characters. Legion's part in particular I personally found better than it would be if he was a squad member.

But that is your opinion. As Ticktank? said earlier you do not care becuase your favorites are already included. And i see where I may not have understood but they should have been honest from the begginning. In 3 months ME3 will release and I find out my favorites like Legion will not be fighting at my side on my ship. It is unfair for bioware to miselad the fans. And unfair that other fans do not care.

[Ashley_SR2]

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

But that is your opinion. As Ticktank? said earlier you do not care becuase your favorites are already included. And i see where I may not have understood but they should have been honest from the begginning. In 3 months ME3 will release and I find out my favorites like Legion will not be fighting at my side on my ship. It is unfair for bioware to miselad the fans. And unfair that other fans do not care.

I'm sad to see you're upset, but there is a Legion support thread on Page 2 You're not the only one wanting to have him.  Perhaps there is hope for him in DLC? Never know!

[AgitatedLemon]

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

No, lied to or tricked is better?

Again, when did they lie and tell you that you would get your favourite in the squad? I don't recall that ever happening.

During the gameinformer article and e3 bioware said they would include everything in the final chapter because it is the last one. They misled the fans of certain companions. It is unfair by the company and I find it surprising that as a fellow fan you object to this stance. So he was not lying when he said the fans were divided and selfidh.

"include everything" seems like a ridiculously vague term to me; I don't think you can draw any kind of conclusion from that.

Anyway, the one thing I do remember is Bioware saying that ME3 would have a "smaller, more intimate squad". This, it appears, they did not lie about.

Regardless, I must object to this "if a character is not on the squad, then their part in the game in unsatisfactory" sentiment. From what I've seen in the leak, Bioware is trying their best to provide good content for all of the characters. Legion's part in particular I personally found better than it would be if he was a squad member.

But that is your opinion. As Ticktank? said earlier you do not care becuase your favorites are already included. And i see where I may not have understood but they should have been honest from the begginning. In 3 months ME3 will release and I find out my favorites like Legion will not be fighting at my side on my ship. It is unfair for bioware to miselad the fans. And unfair that other fans do not care.

I'll admit, I think they dropped the ball with their announcement of "No ME2 characters are permanently squadmembers. Tough Sh*t".

They should have done it earlier, or just made everyone potential recruits.

Regardless, as someone who's favorite characters were ALL ME2 exclusive, it pains me simply having the knowledge.

edit: @Ashley That's a good idea, but let me tweak it a bit. They could just release character specific DLC's for everyone who isn't a squadmate, but was in the previous game. After the completion of each DLC, you could recruit them as a squadmember and use them in the story mode.

If anyone tried to bring continuity into it as an actual argument, then let me refer you to Arrival. It isn't any more immersion breaking than breathing masks *wink*.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 03 janvier 2012 - 06:38 .

[Ashley_SR2]

@AgitatedLemon

I love that idea! However - You have to view it from the perspective of a business model. The Mass Effect franchise is still just a product they made to make money. Think about how much it would cost per character specific DLC? You've got to have the voice actor, writers for the story, animators, architects, creative teams, scripters, and so on. All those people need to be paid and it all takes time. They would have to create a forecast that says "Okay, if we make a Legion DLC, we can expect 50% of the people who bought ME3 to download it." They can either make it free - Which depends on the scope of the thing OR they charge for it. Then they have to say "Well, some people won't want to pay for it, so lets say half of those original people who would have downloaded it will pay for it". Eventually some number gets created where if the company stands to make enough money, they could do it. Otherwise, it's likely to only hurt future attempts to get things done for the franchise.

Another thing, what if the bigwigs decide they will fund one DLC or maybe two? Then what? Do you stick to one character each or try to squeeze everyone in? It becomes harder and harder to please everyone.

Modifié par Ashley_SR2, 03 janvier 2012 - 06:48 .

[Shepard John N7-041154]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

No, lied to or tricked is better?

Again, when did they lie and tell you that you would get your favourite in the squad? I don't recall that ever happening.

During the gameinformer article and e3 bioware said they would include everything in the final chapter because it is the last one. They misled the fans of certain companions. It is unfair by the company and I find it surprising that as a fellow fan you object to this stance. So he was not lying when he said the fans were divided and selfidh.

"include everything" seems like a ridiculously vague term to me; I don't think you can draw any kind of conclusion from that.

Anyway, the one thing I do remember is Bioware saying that ME3 would have a "smaller, more intimate squad". This, it appears, they did not lie about.

Regardless, I must object to this "if a character is not on the squad, then their part in the game in unsatisfactory" sentiment. From what I've seen in the leak, Bioware is trying their best to provide good content for all of the characters. Legion's part in particular I personally found better than it would be if he was a squad member.

But that is your opinion. As Ticktank? said earlier you do not care becuase your favorites are already included. And i see where I may not have understood but they should have been honest from the begginning. In 3 months ME3 will release and I find out my favorites like Legion will not be fighting at my side on my ship. It is unfair for bioware to miselad the fans. And unfair that other fans do not care.

I'll admit, I think they dropped the ball with their announcement of "No ME2 characters are permanently squadmembers. Tough Sh*t".

They should have done it earlier, or just made everyone potential recruits.

Regardless, as someone who's favorite characters were ALL ME2 exclusive, it pains me simply having the knowledge.

edit: @Ashley That's a good idea, but let me tweak it a bit. They could just release character specific DLC's for everyone who isn't a squadmate, but was in the previous game. After the completion of each DLC, you could recruit them as a squadmember and use them in the story mode.

If anyone tried to bring continuity into it as an actual argument, then let me refer you to Arrival. It isn't any more immersion breaking than breathing masks *wink*.

Yes it is painful when your favorites are ignored in the final chapter. The deception made it worse. I have no problems with the ME companions from the first game. I even took Tali as Shepard's girlfriedn as she is my favorite but to find out my other favoties like Legion, Thane, and Miranda wiil be present for only an appearance is distressing to me. 

I do not understand why mislead the fans of the ME2 companions? I was exited in July now it is depressing to me that bioware did not keep their word.

[Shepard John N7-041154]

Ashley_SR2 wrote...

I'm sad to see you're upset, but there is a Legion support thread on Page 2 You're not the only one wanting to have him.  Perhaps there is hope for him in DLC? Never know!

At least one fan of the first ME companions seem to care. I do not understand the divide of the fans. Should they not be asking for all the companions to return. I do not like Liara from ME and Jack from ME2 but I do not wish disappointment for their fans.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ashley_SR2 wrote...

@AgitatedLemon

I love that idea! However - You have to view it from the perspective of a business model. The Mass Effect franchise is still just a product they made to make money. Think about how much it would cost per character specific DLC? You've got to have the voice actor, writers for the story, animators, architects, creative teams, scripters, and so on. All those people need to be paid and it all takes time. They would have to create a forecast that says "Okay, if we make a Legion DLC, we can expect 50% of the people who bought ME3 to download it." They can either make it free - Which depends on the scope of the thing OR they charge for it. Then they have to say "Well, some people won't want to pay for it, so lets say half of those original people who would have downloaded it will pay for it". Eventually some number gets created where if the company stands to make enough money, they could do it. Otherwise, it's likely to only hurt future attempts to get things done for the franchise.

Another thing, what if the bigwigs decide they will fund one DLC or maybe two? Then what? Do you stick to one character each or try to squeeze everyone in? It becomes harder and harder to please everyone.

It doesn't necessarily need to contain missions in the DLC, just a character, some dialogue, some combat banter, and a loyalty mission-esque assignment. It doesn't need to be LotSB level of quality, and that was just $7 (When I bought it, not sure id it's changed). 

Or they could do a CDN type thing where you can purchase a pass for semi-exclusive DLC early on and get them for free, while other people who hadn't purchased the pass (Or got the game new) can still download them individually. It's a win/win. People who want ALL the characters can buy the Pass, people who only want 1 or 2 can buy them individually. Neddless to say, I'd buy the pass. 

Sure it's extra work, but the payoff would be noticeable, and there'd be a lot less QQ (Even if some of it is justified) on this site.

[S.A.K]

Well, Bioware really messed up the second part by making more squad mates than they can handle. On top of that making the final mission a suicide mission. Now its pretty much impossible to make everyone happy.

[MordinKrios]

I agree (again) with Lemon.

To the posts above, i don't feel we were "betrayed" by Bioware. That's nonsense,

But, as many, many people have put hundreds of hours into the ME2 characters and for ALL of them to be reduced to cameos is a bit hard to take. For them to go back to the ME1 squad and to ignore the ME2 squad is a bit annoying. I know the reasons behind it, but surely they could mix it up a bit?

[Ashley_SR2]

And to try and spin it in a positive light - There is plenty of opportunities to make up for missing characters with DLC, Novels, Comics, Spin-off games and even toys in the bioware store.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ashley_SR2 wrote...

And to try and spin it in a positive light - There is plenty of opportunities to make up for missing characters with DLC, Novels, Comics, Spin-off games and even toys in the bioware store.

If they make toys, please for the love of god don't make them have interchangeable outfits.

I don't need to see anyone with a Miranda, Samara, Liara, what have you doll, take it's clothes off, and go "Teehee bewbies!"

[jamesp81]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Also, if the Normandy can destroy the ship, dont you think the entire Alliance fleet could?

Like I said before, it took the Normandy's main batteries being upgraded with repurposed Reaper tech, its shields being repurposed with Quarian tech, and it's hard armor forged by Asari to make it even remotely capable of taking down the Collector ship. And it's entirely possible for the Collectors to have a 2nd or third ship, which would increase their ability exponentially.

Point being, the Alliance navy doesn't have this technology, nor have many (If any at all) actually seen Collectors before, which would imply that they don't know of their tactics/tech, or that they employ husks.

It would certainly be easier than battling Sovereign, but still a worthy challenge.

edit: I think I already expressed my feelings about the ME2 cast in ME3. If not, I'll do so now.

TL;DR, I wish the ME2 cast had a more central role than what they curently do, particularly Mordin, Legion, and Miranda. Their roles are sizeable, but not central. I don't know what Thane or Samara are doing in ME3 (Or if they appear).

Actually, I'm kind of with Buu on this one.  Normandy was cutting edge, granted, but its firepower was probably similar to that of a cruiser made with conventional technology.  The Collectors would've needed one hell of a big ass fleet to defeat the Alliance in a straight up fight.

That said, I do not agree that ME2 was pointless.  Far from it.

[jamesp81]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Also, if the Normandy can destroy the ship, dont you think the entire Alliance fleet could?

Like I said before, it took the Normandy's main batteries being upgraded with repurposed Reaper tech, its shields being repurposed with Quarian tech, and it's hard armor forged by Asari to make it even remotely capable of taking down the Collector ship. And it's entirely possible for the Collectors to have a 2nd or third ship, which would increase their ability exponentially.

Point being, the Alliance navy doesn't have this technology, nor have many (If any at all) actually seen Collectors before, which would imply that they don't know of their tactics/tech, or that they employ husks.

It would certainly be easier than battling Sovereign, but still a worthy challenge.

edit: I think I already expressed my feelings about the ME2 cast in ME3. If not, I'll do so now.

TL;DR, I wish the ME2 cast had a more central role than what they curently do, particularly Mordin, Legion, and Miranda. Their roles are sizeable, but not central. I don't know what Thane or Samara are doing in ME3 (Or if they appear).

It makes no difference. An entire fleet would destroy the collector ship with ease. Keep in mind, the shields did nothing against the collector ship and the normandy armor and gun upgrades are not needed to destroy the ship. And increase their ability exponentially? What? How? 2 ships and a few oculi would not stand a chance against earth defences.

Only 2 fleets have quick access to Earth, the 1st and the 5th, and the 5th may or may not be decimated (Depending on ME1).

They also don't have the Normandy, which, despite being a frigate, posesses much more firepower than most cruisers.

I'm not saying the Collector Ship would come and instantly win (It's just a cruiser-class), I'm saying that it would be a big battle, and humanity (Outside Shepard's crew and TIM) have zero idea how the Collector's work, meaning they don't know about the Seekers, Husks, Scions, etc, nor do they know about the Collector's tactics.

By "Increase their power exponentially", I meant just that. 2 ships are twice as powerful as 1. 3 are 3 times as more powerful as 1.

Actually, that's a linear increase.

[AgitatedLemon]

jamesp81 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Also, if the Normandy can destroy the ship, dont you think the entire Alliance fleet could?

Like I said before, it took the Normandy's main batteries being upgraded with repurposed Reaper tech, its shields being repurposed with Quarian tech, and it's hard armor forged by Asari to make it even remotely capable of taking down the Collector ship. And it's entirely possible for the Collectors to have a 2nd or third ship, which would increase their ability exponentially.

Point being, the Alliance navy doesn't have this technology, nor have many (If any at all) actually seen Collectors before, which would imply that they don't know of their tactics/tech, or that they employ husks.

It would certainly be easier than battling Sovereign, but still a worthy challenge.

edit: I think I already expressed my feelings about the ME2 cast in ME3. If not, I'll do so now.

TL;DR, I wish the ME2 cast had a more central role than what they curently do, particularly Mordin, Legion, and Miranda. Their roles are sizeable, but not central. I don't know what Thane or Samara are doing in ME3 (Or if they appear).

Actually, I'm kind of with Buu on this one.  Normandy was cutting edge, granted, but its firepower was probably similar to that of a cruiser made with conventional technology.  The Collectors would've needed one hell of a big ass fleet to defeat the Alliance in a straight up fight.

That said, I do not agree that ME2 was pointless.  Far from it.

I don't need to to go into this again. I'll ust point you to the earlier pages of this thread (4-7, I believe)