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[robarcool]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

7 Squad mates plus a DLC character so 7-8.

Tali and Garrus wont be replaceble

Also there are 3 squad mates that can die prior to recruitment.

Intriguing if that turns out to be true.

Whoops make that 4.. lol. I know who they are. If you want to know let me know

Are they regular or permanent squadmates?

[Vertigo_1]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

7 Squad mates plus a DLC character so 7-8.

Uh, I don't remember it being that... I thought it was 6 (7 with DLC)

[shepskisaac]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

7 Squad mates plus a DLC character so 7-8.

Uh, I don't remember it being that... I thought it was 6 (7 with DLC)

I think people simply count VS differently. It's just one squadmate, but two characters share the same slot.

[The Elder King]

Wulfram wrote...

I do hope there's someone who can serve as a backup engineer, since Tali is fairly killable

Don't
know if there's a backup engineer in the Normandy, but Tali is quite
important in ME3 beside her role in the Normandy, or so I've understood.

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...



Whoops make that 4.. lol. I know who they are. If you want to know let me know

Could you PM me the squadmates that can die prior recruitment?

[shepskisaac]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

No

Ashley/Kaidan
Liara
James
Garrus
Tali
* Secret squad mate
* Secret squd mate
DLC  character. This one might be the secret character

Thats still possibly 7-8

Perhaps, but I very much doubt it. Day 1 DLC character means they would have to work on it simultaneously to the core game so people would find about it in the leaked script. And not to mention, EA leaked "The Prothean: Character & Mission" itself months ago lol

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 décembre 2011 - 10:01 .

[JeffZero]

IsaacShep wrote...

LGTX wrote...
And Tali and Garrus won't be replaced, sorry. You get the short end of the stick when you get someone killed, it's how it works

And it just happens to be Tali & Garrus, and only them. Out of 13 possible ME2 squadmates. It's basically "you may kill everyone else, but if you dare to kill Tali & Garrus, you will have smaller squad as the punishement haha!". Yeahhh.

Getting anyone else killed (as I am wont to do; my metagaming-during-the-Suicide-Mission-for-what-I-perceive-as-dramatic-impact ways are known around these parts) will remove their content from ME3's story, thus I shall still receive 'punishment' for 'screwing up' in any way during ME2's finale. Losing Miranda will lose me Miranda's portion of ME3's plot. She might not join me full-time, but if I make that 'mistake' then I will still have lost something.

I have not yet read the rest of this thread, but if your implication is that Tali and Garrus fans get more... well, yes, you're absolutely right. But there's still some overall punishment doled out for any misstep.

[JeffZero]

Alright, so I've read the thread in full and yeah, I stand by my claim. Is it unfair that Garrus and Tali fans get to have their cake and eat it too? Sure. I like both characters a lot but I like a lot of other characters a lot and I'd have loved to see them by Shepard's side again just the same. But it is what it is, and I (perhaps ironically, as someone who metagames during the Suicide Mission to create death in virtually every playthrough) somewhat resent the implication that every other story facet is deemed irrelevant and that only the deaths of would-be returning full-time squadmates matter, as your original post struck me.

All in all, I think we ought to all consider sucking it up. The Virmire Survivor is a squadmate again after much speculation in the days before ME3 info began a-trickling; surely this must be enough to calm your heart somewhat.

[LGTX]

IsaacShep wrote...

LGTX wrote...

and who actually has the time and dedication to join Shepard, even as whole homeworlds burn and star systems are harvested.

Tali and Garrus as always

When you purposefully remove my context and effectively the entire point I was making just to poke at at fans, how do you expect me to respond? :/

[Alex Arterius]

For an RPG it seems we have very little choice about who we can and can't recruit. I would have thought Bioware would incorporate ideas such as picking between two different characters for the squad eg: at the end of the Geth/Quarian dispute it would be cool if we could pick either Legion or Tali to join up with us, therefore appeasing fans of both Tali and Legion and at the same time offering us more choice, which is ultimately what Mass Effect boils down to, freedom of choice, take that away and you have a fairly linear experience.

[JeffZero]

Alex Arterius wrote...

For an RPG it seems we have very little choice about who we can and can't recruit. I would have thought Bioware would incorporate ideas such as picking between two different characters for the squad eg: at the end of the Geth/Quarian dispute it would be cool if we could pick either Legion or Tali to join up with us, therefore appeasing fans of both Tali and Legion and at the same time offering us more choice, which is ultimately what Mass Effect boils down to, freedom of choice, take that away and you have a fairly linear experience.

I, for one, never thought this would happen. Why? Because the developers have stated unerringly that the decision to reduce ME3's full-time squadmate roster from ME2's was to shine all the more light on the characters that stuck around on the Normandy. They felt that in such a huge increase from 1 to 2, they spread themselves too thinly. Giving us all these "RPG"-like options for this-or-that pickings and choosings would have meant writing all the potential characters, and very soon indeed they'd have written as many different full-time characters as ME2 had but limited the number any player would even see at once, thus negating their earnest attempt at giving every full-time character more to chew on.

[JeffZero]

So long as my favorite ME2-introduced squadmates -- nay, all ME2-introduced squadmates -- receive portions I can agree with as right and true, then I have no troubles with the notions that Legion or Mordin don't stay aboard the Normandy for any length of time. I'll have no qualm with their big introductions in ME2, for I have faith that they will serve a purpose in ME3 regardless of how long they stand beside my avatar, Shepard.

[Someone With Mass]

Most of the ME2 characters can do better job out in the field, anyway.

[JeffZero]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Most of the ME2 characters can do better job out in the field, anyway.

And I wouldn't argue this in the least, either. I've given this topic considerable thought, I have; and in so doing, I've arrived at the same conclusion. And I've also arrived at the conclusion that the characters that join the crew of the SR2 in ME3 are all rather fitting selections, excepting perhaps Liara given her Shadow Broker duties. But as I'm unaware of the vast majority of ME3's plot turns or exposition and indeed wish to remain that way 'til March 6th, who am I to strictly and cleanly state that her return is foolish? I'm no one, not until I have context, and so it shall remain.

Modifié par JeffZero, 23 décembre 2011 - 10:21 .

[Alex Arterius]

JeffZero wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...

For an RPG it seems we have very little choice about who we can and can't recruit. I would have thought Bioware would incorporate ideas such as picking between two different characters for the squad eg: at the end of the Geth/Quarian dispute it would be cool if we could pick either Legion or Tali to join up with us, therefore appeasing fans of both Tali and Legion and at the same time offering us more choice, which is ultimately what Mass Effect boils down to, freedom of choice, take that away and you have a fairly linear experience.

I, for one, never thought this would happen. Why? Because the developers have stated unerringly that the decision to reduce ME3's full-time squadmate roster from ME2's was to shine all the more light on the characters that stuck around on the Normandy. They felt that in such a huge increase from 1 to 2, they spread themselves too thinly. Giving us all these "RPG"-like options for this-or-that pickings and choosings would have meant writing all the potential characters, and very soon indeed they'd have written as many different full-time characters as ME2 had but limited the number any player would even see at once, thus negating their earnest attempt at giving every full-time character more to chew on.

I can see Biowares perspective on this, it's just unfortunate for many people who are lumped with charcters they don't like who care very little about. Personaly I had no issues with the amount of screen time characters got in Mass Effect 2, so this new "charcters do more" approach does little for me personaly.

[AgitatedLemon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Most of the ME2 characters can do better job out in the field, anyway.

Now that you tihnk about it, this also applies. The ME2 characters always struck me as sort of mercenaries and "Best of" people. Especially characters like Thane, Mordin, Samara, and Kasumi.

That said, I wish they could have made the ME2 (Or a handful of them) optional recruits. Not really required to get the desired ending in the game, or wholly necessary to the main story, but they could help out more once you help them finish their personal missions. Namely, I'd like Miranda (), Legion, and Mordin on my squad.

[LegionMan]

Restricting squadmates based on SM deaths?  Heavy risk, but the siiiize....

[JeffZero]

Alex Arterius wrote...
I can see Biowares perspective on this, it's just unfortunate for many people who are lumped with charcters they don't like who care very little about. Personaly I had no issues with the amount of screen time characters got in Mass Effect 2, so this new "charcters do more" approach does little for me personaly.

And I do extend my sincere sympathies to you at that. As for myself, many of my top characters in the series were introduced during the events of ME2 as squadmates -- Mordin, Legion, Thane and Miranda, in fact -- and I would certainly not argue if any of the four were made as such again. I simply don't feel as though I'll take issue to their alleged 'reduction', nor begrudge other characters (who I might add are in fact just as fictional and certainly not to blame!) so long as these four are given good writing and a mission or two to shine by Shepard's side in some fashion or another.

Kasumi, Zaeed. Jack. Jacob, contrary to popular belief. Samara, despite issue with her attire. Grunt. I like all of them, I really do. I look forward to seeing where they go, and will be rightly upset if one or more of them seems nothing but a flash of dialogue and they're off again, never to be seen. If that happens I'll be most upset! But if that doesn't happen I'll be pleased, despite enjoying many of them more than most of ME1's introduced squadmates.

[AgitatedLemon]

To be completely honest, the only teammates I'm hyped for are Garrus and Liara. I almost hate Ashley/Kaidan, and I don't know all that much about Vega. I'll give him a chance when the game comes out. The 2 spoiler teammates sound interesting, but also kinda awkward now that I think about it. If the DLC squadmate (P_____n) is still in, then make that 3 teammates I want.

Is it just me, or are the ME2 squadmates more famous/powerful/skilled than the ME1 squad? I mean, Mordin helped develop (And can cure) the genophage. Legion represents all of the non-heretic geth, Zaeed founded the Blue Suns, Grunt is the only "Pure" krogan. Samara is one of the most powerful biotics alive. I can go on, but you get my point. The ME2 characters just feel like their roles in the galaxy are larger. I mean, Ashley is... A soldier. Kaidan is... A sentinel. Vega is also just... A soldier. The spoiler characters and the P_____n all have far larger roles than the rest of the cast (excluding Liara)

The only recurring teammates I feel that have the "oomph" factor are Garrus and Liara. Garrus is a hardass and an expert sniper who lead his own merc group, and Liara is the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 23 décembre 2011 - 10:42 .

[Alex Arterius]

JeffZero wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...
I can see Biowares perspective on this, it's just unfortunate for many people who are lumped with charcters they don't like who care very little about. Personaly I had no issues with the amount of screen time characters got in Mass Effect 2, so this new "charcters do more" approach does little for me personaly.

And I do extend my sincere sympathies to you at that. As for myself, many of my top characters in the series were introduced during the events of ME2 as squadmates -- Mordin, Legion, Thane and Miranda, in fact -- and I would certainly not argue if any of the four were made as such again. I simply don't feel as though I'll take issue to their alleged 'reduction', nor begrudge other characters (who I might add are in fact just as fictional and certainly not to blame!) so long as these four are given good writing and a mission or two to shine by Shepard's side in some fashion or another.

Kasumi, Zaeed. Jack. Jacob, contrary to popular belief. Samara, despite issue with her attire. Grunt. I like all of them, I really do. I look forward to seeing where they go, and will be rightly upset if one or more of them seems nothing but a flash of dialogue and they're off again, never to be seen. If that happens I'll be most upset! But if that doesn't happen I'll be pleased, despite enjoying many of them more than most of ME1's introduced squadmates.

Yeah I agree - I mean it all boils down to persoanl preference really. people who played ME1 and loved the squaddies in the game must be exstatic, i myself am also in favour of the Mass Effect 2 squad over that of the first games, Legion, Mordin and Thane in particular. As long as I can see and interact with them for a ample sized chunk of the game I will be satisfied. However I will be severely disappointed if i'm just stuck interacting with (and sorry to all the fans of these characters out there) Tali, Ash and Liara, I just never felt they had the X factor of the Mass Effect 2 squaddies.

But hopefully there's more to be revealed in the squad mate zone yet and that leak script perhaps didn't cotnain all squad based information as to what we can expect in Mass Effect 3. The jurie's still out.

[Izhalezan]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

7 Squad mates plus a DLC character so 7-8.

Tali and Garrus wont be replaceble

Also there are 3 squad mates that can die prior to recruitment.

Intriguing if that turns out to be true.

Whoops make that 4.. lol. I know who they are. If you want to know let me know

I find myself curious.

[Vapaa]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

No

Ashley/Kaidan
Liara
James
Garrus
Tali
* Secret squad mate
* Secret squd mate
DLC  character. This one might be the secret character

Thats still possibly 7-8

Perhaps, but I very much doubt it. Day 1 DLC character means they would have to work on it simultaneously to the core game so people would find about it in the leaked script. And not to mention, EA leaked "The Prothean: Character & Mission" itself months ago lol

Whats up with this vigilante i her of?

Well that "day 1 DLC" might be the CE squadmate, I know there will be one new tech squademate, so that left one new character....Vigilante perhaps ?

[PND Livewire]

Would this "D3mon Sover3ign" person PLEASE stop posting spoilers? I'm trying to stay completely spoiler free and the dude's ALREADY posted way more than I wanted to know before beating the game.

Modifié par PND Livewire, 23 décembre 2011 - 10:57 .