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[AgitatedLemon]

Ravensword wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

But they also happen to be very important, much more than Tali & Garrus. Legion knows & understands the Reapers more than anyone else. Miranda is a key figure in the organization that during ME2 was doing the most to stop the Reapers AND she's personally responsible for bringing Shep back to life, she knows the best Shep's current condition. Mordin is one of the central figures of the Turian/Salarian/Krogan conflict and he's a science expert which already proved extremly useful in uncovering Collector secrets and thus protecting Shep & the squad from Reaper forces. Not a coincidence you're strongly advised to recruit him first in ME2.

Right, so in case Shepard gets spaced in ME3, she can patch him up muc in the sae way as in the Lazarus prioject in ME2. Whatever plot relevance she would've had in ME3 was severed when she told TIM she was resigning. Oh, well.

... What? Are you implying that someone like Kasumi is more important than Miranda? Random DLC squadmate #2 who has no real interaction outside her loyalty mission and canned dialogue is more important than Miranda, who is probably the reason Shepard is still alive.

Right.

[Ravensword]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

But they also happen to be very important, much more than Tali & Garrus. Legion knows & understands the Reapers more than anyone else. Miranda is a key figure in the organization that during ME2 was doing the most to stop the Reapers AND she's personally responsible for bringing Shep back to life, she knows the best Shep's current condition. Mordin is one of the central figures of the Turian/Salarian/Krogan conflict and he's a science expert which already proved extremly useful in uncovering Collector secrets and thus protecting Shep & the squad from Reaper forces. Not a coincidence you're strongly advised to recruit him first in ME2.

Right, so in case Shepard gets spaced in ME3, she can patch him up muc in the sae way as in the Lazarus prioject in ME2. Whatever plot relevance she would've had in ME3 was severed when she told TIM she was resigning. Oh, well.

... What? Are you implying that someone like Kasumi is more important than Miranda? Random DLC squadmate #2 who has no real interaction outside her loyalty mission and canned dialogue is more important than Miranda, who is probably the reason Shepard is still alive.

Right.

No, I wasn't but now that you mention it, yes I am.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ravensword wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

But they also happen to be very important, much more than Tali & Garrus. Legion knows & understands the Reapers more than anyone else. Miranda is a key figure in the organization that during ME2 was doing the most to stop the Reapers AND she's personally responsible for bringing Shep back to life, she knows the best Shep's current condition. Mordin is one of the central figures of the Turian/Salarian/Krogan conflict and he's a science expert which already proved extremly useful in uncovering Collector secrets and thus protecting Shep & the squad from Reaper forces. Not a coincidence you're strongly advised to recruit him first in ME2.

Right, so in case Shepard gets spaced in ME3, she can patch him up muc in the sae way as in the Lazarus prioject in ME2. Whatever plot relevance she would've had in ME3 was severed when she told TIM she was resigning. Oh, well.

... What? Are you implying that someone like Kasumi is more important than Miranda? Random DLC squadmate #2 who has no real interaction outside her loyalty mission and canned dialogue is more important than Miranda, who is probably the reason Shepard is still alive.

Right.

No, I wasn't but now that you mention it, yes I am.

That's just... factually wrong. It isn't even opinion.

[Someone With Mass]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Enjoy your pseudo incestuous relationship with Tali. She is after all the functional equivalent to a little sister, completele with whining and complaining.

In that case, Miranda is the equivalent of a high school girl who doesn't know when to just shut the hell up and back down from a fight gently like a grown-up person. Case in point: Her little fight with Jack. Am I really breaking up a fight because two women on my team just happened to dislike each other?

At least Tali had a valid reason to pick a fight with Legion. Miranda and Jack's fight was nothing but a waste of my time.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I already know. And I don't care.

[Darth_Trethon]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Enjoy your pseudo incestuous relationship with Tali. She is after all the functional equivalent to a little sister, completele with whining and complaining.

Yes a pure quarian and a pure human are tottally related.....PLOT TWIST: Tali I is your brother.

Seriously though....that could be said of anyone who ever had relations with a girly girl.....freaks fantasizing of sleeping with their sisters? Get serious....that's like the psychological analisys that every boy is subconsciously jealous of his father and wants to sleep with his mother or our long held belief that the earth was flat and anyone who disagreed should be killed. Psychology is a great tool and I very much enjoy studying it but it can lead to horribly twisted and very wrong results.

[Ravensword]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

But they also happen to be very important, much more than Tali & Garrus. Legion knows & understands the Reapers more than anyone else. Miranda is a key figure in the organization that during ME2 was doing the most to stop the Reapers AND she's personally responsible for bringing Shep back to life, she knows the best Shep's current condition. Mordin is one of the central figures of the Turian/Salarian/Krogan conflict and he's a science expert which already proved extremly useful in uncovering Collector secrets and thus protecting Shep & the squad from Reaper forces. Not a coincidence you're strongly advised to recruit him first in ME2.

Right, so in case Shepard gets spaced in ME3, she can patch him up muc in the sae way as in the Lazarus prioject in ME2. Whatever plot relevance she would've had in ME3 was severed when she told TIM she was resigning. Oh, well.

... What? Are you implying that someone like Kasumi is more important than Miranda? Random DLC squadmate #2 who has no real interaction outside her loyalty mission and canned dialogue is more important than Miranda, who is probably the reason Shepard is still alive.

Right.

No, I wasn't but now that you mention it, yes I am.

That's just... factually wrong. It isn't even opinion.

Miranda served her purpose in ME2 and that's that. She has no relevance in the next game since she's not working for Cerberus anymore and can't provide any useful intel on that organization anymore. The most she could be involved in is a side mission to rescue her sister from Cerberus, but that's about it.

[DonutsDealer]

IsaacShep wrote...

DonutsDealer wrote...

Then let's replace Kaidan for one of those. Would you like that?

A Spectre and an Alliance Major? I don't think so

Yeah, a Major subordinated to a Lt. Commander. And it doesn't matter if he is a spectre or not, he'll do whatever Shepard wants, so I don't see how he is important at all. He is as important as Garrus.

[AgitatedLemon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Enjoy your pseudo incestuous relationship with Tali. She is after all the functional equivalent to a little sister, completele with whining and complaining.

In that case, Miranda is the equivalent of a high school girl who doesn't know when to just shut the hell up and back down from a fight gently like a grown-up person. Case in point: Her little fight with Jack. Am I really breaking up a fight because two women on my team just happened to dislike each other?

At least Tali had a valid reason to pick a fight with Legion. Miranda and Jack's fight was nothing but a waste of my time.

I actually fully agree with you about their little fight. 

Though I have to say that she didn't seem like she was actually fighting, or that overall concerned about Jack. She just kinda stood there while Jack threw chairs at her -- and missed, and said that it wasn't Cerberus. At least, that happened for me every time since I always chose the paragon option.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ravensword wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

But they also happen to be very important, much more than Tali & Garrus. Legion knows & understands the Reapers more than anyone else. Miranda is a key figure in the organization that during ME2 was doing the most to stop the Reapers AND she's personally responsible for bringing Shep back to life, she knows the best Shep's current condition. Mordin is one of the central figures of the Turian/Salarian/Krogan conflict and he's a science expert which already proved extremly useful in uncovering Collector secrets and thus protecting Shep & the squad from Reaper forces. Not a coincidence you're strongly advised to recruit him first in ME2.

Right, so in case Shepard gets spaced in ME3, she can patch him up muc in the sae way as in the Lazarus prioject in ME2. Whatever plot relevance she would've had in ME3 was severed when she told TIM she was resigning. Oh, well.

... What? Are you implying that someone like Kasumi is more important than Miranda? Random DLC squadmate #2 who has no real interaction outside her loyalty mission and canned dialogue is more important than Miranda, who is probably the reason Shepard is still alive.

Right.

No, I wasn't but now that you mention it, yes I am.

That's just... factually wrong. It isn't even opinion.

Miranda served her purpose in ME2 and that's that. She has no relevance in the next game since she's not working for Cerberus anymore and can't provide any useful intel on that organization anymore. The most she could be involved in is a side mission to rescue her sister from Cerberus, but that's about it.

1. She only resigns if she's with you on the mission, though it's safe to assume she does anyway.

2. Just because she doesn't work with them anymore doesn't mean she's magically forgotten everything about them. You're aware she used to be TIM's XO, right?

3. Cerberus isn't the only antagonist in ME3.

[AgitatedLemon]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Enjoy your pseudo incestuous relationship with Tali. She is after all the functional equivalent to a little sister, completele with whining and complaining.

Yes a pure quarian and a pure human are tottally related.....PLOT TWIST: Tali I is your brother.

Seriously though....that could be said of anyone who ever had relations with a girly girl.....freaks fantasizing of sleeping with their sisters? Get serious....that's like the psychological analisys that every boy is subconsciously jealous of his father and wants to sleep with his mother or our long held belief that the earth was flat and anyone who disagreed should be killed. Psychology is a great tool and I very much enjoy studying it but it can lead to horribly twisted and very wrong results.

I take it you don't know what "pseudo" means (or implies), or what a "functional equivalent" is, do you?

[Darth_Trethon]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Enjoy your pseudo incestuous relationship with Tali. She is after all the functional equivalent to a little sister, completele with whining and complaining.

In that case, Miranda is the equivalent of a high school girl who doesn't know when to just shut the hell up and back down from a fight gently like a grown-up person. Case in point: Her little fight with Jack. Am I really breaking up a fight because two women on my team just happened to dislike each other?

At least Tali had a valid reason to pick a fight with Legion. Miranda and Jack's fight was nothing but a waste of my time.

I actually fully agree with you about their little fight. 

Though I have to say that she didn't seem like she was actually fighting, or that overall concerned about Jack. She just kinda stood there while Jack threw chairs at her -- and missed, and said that it wasn't Cerberus. At least, that happened for me every time since I always chose the paragon option.

Uh oh Mr. pseudo waste excretions has agreed with you.....you most likely did something wrong there Someone With Mass.

Jack has issues with Cerberus and the maturity of a teen while Miranda is stubborn and smart....too much so to know when to back down. She is a leader and was trying to assert her authority...she would have had no business on Shep's team if she backed down in the face of slim odds so standing her ground against a wreckball like Jack made a certain ammount of sense. It wasn't a great conflict but it made sense within the context of the game, the personalities of the characters and the situations they were dealing with.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 24 décembre 2011 - 12:40 .

[Ravensword]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

But they also happen to be very important, much more than Tali & Garrus. Legion knows & understands the Reapers more than anyone else. Miranda is a key figure in the organization that during ME2 was doing the most to stop the Reapers AND she's personally responsible for bringing Shep back to life, she knows the best Shep's current condition. Mordin is one of the central figures of the Turian/Salarian/Krogan conflict and he's a science expert which already proved extremly useful in uncovering Collector secrets and thus protecting Shep & the squad from Reaper forces. Not a coincidence you're strongly advised to recruit him first in ME2.

Right, so in case Shepard gets spaced in ME3, she can patch him up muc in the sae way as in the Lazarus prioject in ME2. Whatever plot relevance she would've had in ME3 was severed when she told TIM she was resigning. Oh, well.

... What? Are you implying that someone like Kasumi is more important than Miranda? Random DLC squadmate #2 who has no real interaction outside her loyalty mission and canned dialogue is more important than Miranda, who is probably the reason Shepard is still alive.

Right.

No, I wasn't but now that you mention it, yes I am.

That's just... factually wrong. It isn't even opinion.

Miranda served her purpose in ME2 and that's that. She has no relevance in the next game since she's not working for Cerberus anymore and can't provide any useful intel on that organization anymore. The most she could be involved in is a side mission to rescue her sister from Cerberus, but that's about it.

1. She only resigns if she's with you on the mission, though it's safe to assume she does anyway.

2. Just because she doesn't work with them anymore doesn't mean she's magically forgotten everything about them. You're aware she used to be TIM's XO, right?

3. Cerberus isn't the only antagonist in ME3.

1. The same can be said about any other ME2 squadmate that gets a crappy cameo.

2. In ME2, she admits that she doesn't know that much about him either despite being TIM's XO.

3. Indeed.

[AgitatedLemon]

@Darth

The sheer amount of stupidity...

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 décembre 2011 - 12:35 .

[AgitatedLemon]

she doesn't know that much about him

Yeah, she doesn't know about about him personally. She still knows what kind of tech they have access to though, since she led one of Cerberus' cells.

[Darth_Trethon]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Enjoy your pseudo incestuous relationship with Tali. She is after all the functional equivalent to a little sister, completele with whining and complaining.

Yes a pure quarian and a pure human are tottally related.....PLOT TWIST: Tali I is your brother.

Seriously though....that could be said of anyone who ever had relations with a girly girl.....freaks fantasizing of sleeping with their sisters? Get serious....that's like the psychological analisys that every boy is subconsciously jealous of his father and wants to sleep with his mother or our long held belief that the earth was flat and anyone who disagreed should be killed. Psychology is a great tool and I very much enjoy studying it but it can lead to horribly twisted and very wrong results.

I take it you don't know what "pseudo" means (or implies), or what a "functional equivalent" is, do you?

I was fully aware of what you were saying.....the whole first sentence was nothing more than a pun.....which apparently wasn't obvious enough with the smily face and the all caps shocking news style. You can draw any implications you like but the reality is you are making up nonsense.....do real women in real life with that kind of personality need to forever remain alone or should not be loved because you think they *SHOULD* be viewed as little sisters even when no blood tie exists? You can try to twist it all you like but nonsese is nonsese.....or in the words of Blasto: "solid waste excretions".

[Fenris_13]

Ravensword wrote...
2. In ME2, she admits that she doesn't know that much about him either despite being TIM's XO.

Right, her knowing nothing about TIM means she doesn't know anything about Cerberus as a whole.

BSN at its finest.

[AgitatedLemon]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Enjoy your pseudo incestuous relationship with Tali. She is after all the functional equivalent to a little sister, completele with whining and complaining.

Yes a pure quarian and a pure human are tottally related.....PLOT TWIST: Tali I is your brother.

Seriously though....that could be said of anyone who ever had relations with a girly girl.....freaks fantasizing of sleeping with their sisters? Get serious....that's like the psychological analisys that every boy is subconsciously jealous of his father and wants to sleep with his mother or our long held belief that the earth was flat and anyone who disagreed should be killed. Psychology is a great tool and I very much enjoy studying it but it can lead to horribly twisted and very wrong results.

I take it you don't know what "pseudo" means (or implies), or what a "functional equivalent" is, do you?

I was fully aware of what you were saying.....the whole first sentence was nothing more than a pun.....which apparently wasn't obvious enough with the smily face and the all caps shocking news style. You can draw any implications you like but the reality is you are making up nonsense.....do real women in real life with that kind of personality need to forever remain alone or should not be loved because you think they *SHOULD* be viewed as little sisters even when no blood tie exists? You can try to twist it all you like but nonsese is nonsese.....or in the words of Blasto: "solid waste excretions".

Read Tali's dialogue. All of it.

She's maybe slightly less obsessed with you than Liara.

[Ravensword]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

she doesn't know that much about him

Yeah, she doesn't know about about him personally. She still knows what kind of tech they have access to though, since she led one of Cerberus' cells.

EDI probably knows just as much if not more than Miranda.

[Darth_Trethon]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Read Tali's dialogue. All of it.

She's maybe slightly less obsessed with you than Liara.

Oh that's it then....all women that have a crush on a guy should be immediately rejected and clearly should not be loved because having a crush on you means you should see her as a little sister since that's what little sisters do apparently....have a crush on their elder brothers.

Oh sorry....there I go getting dragged into puns again. Can't help it really....so she had a crush on Shep....waht's it got to do with the pseudo little sister again? I'd say most women exdperience a crush on a man at some point in their lives and some of those lead to relationshhips....it's the way of life. Nothing to do with implied sibiling-like relationships.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 24 décembre 2011 - 12:52 .

[Candidate 88766]

I've been reading through this thread and I'm a tad confused - are there 3 secret characters including the DLC one or just two secret characters?

I know we have:
-Liara
-Garrus
-Tali
-Vega
-VS
-Secret (DLC)
-Secret

Is there another secret character?

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 décembre 2011 - 12:48 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ravensword wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

she doesn't know that much about him

Yeah, she doesn't know about about him personally. She still knows what kind of tech they have access to though, since she led one of Cerberus' cells.

EDI probably knows just as much if not more than Miranda.

If she does (Which is unlikely and unnecessary), then she has yet to really show it, since she's just the Normandy's AI and records audio and video security footage aboard the ship. She literally shows zero knowledge of the other Cerberus cells, or even of Cerberus as an organization, outside of diferent communications protocols.

[AgitatedLemon]

Nevermind, already been posted*

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 décembre 2011 - 12:58 .

[anlk92]

My real concern is whether having some ME2 squadmates dead will make the game worse for me. I don't mean it as in a worse outcome, but like if I get Mordin killed will I still be on Sur'kesh and do the related missions or will my game be x hours shorter because of this?

If that's the case than it will really hurt replayability.

[AgitatedLemon]

anlk92 wrote...

My real concern is whether having some ME2 squadmates dead will make the game worse for me. I don't mean it as in a worse outcome, but like if I get Mordin killed will I still be on Sur'kesh and do the related missions or will my game be x hours shorter because of this?

If that's the case than it will really hurt replayability.

You'll still be able to go to each planet, but it seems that any missions that would normally present an older character may just have a side character instead (hypothetical -  Instead of Mordin on Sur'Kesh with the krogan female, it could be Maelon)

edit: Of course you won't be able to access any character specific side missions, for obvious reasons.

edit 2: Or was that a Mordin specific mission? Ah, I forget.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 décembre 2011 - 12:58 .