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[darth_lopez]

So i was thinking tonight playing through skyrim what exactly it would be like if Ulfric StormCloak ultimately won the civil war in the nroth and the Empire fell to the Elves eventually. And well this is the scenario i came up with:

if the Storm Cloaks win with Unchecked racism, the kahjiit and the Argonians are killed off, the Dragons will eventually be quelled in number, the Draugr would be raised en-masse by Alduin 2.0 after a dark ritual conducted by the Imperials to Bring back alduin in an attempt to Kill the Elves, but the ritual corrupts alduin further Creating the First ArchDemon, the Draugr become the First Darkspawn and as some Deadric Version of Alduin Brings hordes of more advanced dremora into the planeas well as raising a few dragons. The dwarves retun to fight the deadra their arch enemies and found the grey wardens harnessing the blood magics. The First Blight continues on with the Dwarves slowly losing as their numbers dwindle massively and Alduins Nigh Unstoppable Now Immortal Soul occasional Shifts from Body to Body (dragon Dremora and Draugr alike). The New Stormcloak Nordic Empire attempts to assist the dwarves despite their racial differences determining survival is better than death. Knowledge of the Deadra and the 9 Divine is lost as Alduins army of undead spread across tamriel, excluding Akatosh Who is Hailed as the Maker and Alduin the Bringer of his wrath on a sinful world by the newly developed Chantry. The First Blight is Ended after the dwarves discover a way to Create Artificial Dragonborn to temporarily or permanently kill Alduin 2.0 through drinking the blood of deadra mixed with draugr, However most of the dwarven Tehnology is lost for ever, including knowledge of what exactly it is Drinking Dremora Blood(from here on out referred to as Darkspawn as the term dremora was lost in the years of fighting) does. The ancient dwarven Ruins under the continent where most of the fighting was conducted was wrekced leaving an immense disconect between surivivng civilian dwarve holds causing teh division of the dwarven empire during the fighting. Knowledge of the elderscrolls were lost during the blight. The New Nordic Empire Remembers hatred for the elves through stories of Ysgrammor and such and discovers that Records remained that showed Mages were to Blame for the Summoning of the Deadra and Adluin 2.0. Mages are Hearded Up by Order of the Nordic Chantry and Concentrated in Towers kept isolated from most of  Society for the safety of other citizens. Magic is treated as a curse for hundreds of years resulting in a loss of it's understanding among most people seeing it as a trait that only arises in a few it progressively gets rarer and treated as even more of acurse.  During this times a Campaign by the Nordic Chantry rallies support in a war against the Elves whos homelands are eventually whiped out culture destroyed peoples enslaved. The dalish escape to the forests.

The nordic Chantry, set up originally in solitude, moves to what is now Orlais, Recailing 8 as somewhat of a holy number they establish 8 main Chantry houses with 8 "archbishops" so to speak. The Imperial City and Province of cyrodil never quite got used to the New rules and became Tewinter(ultimately a name that came around due to the distoration of surviving Ancient Texts Depicting in actuality the Tamrialic Empire not he "Tewinter Empire") and becomes a place where Mages establish strong political influence. Skyrim Weekened by Hundreds of years fighting the Elves alone and the then the Darkspwn falls quickly when the Akaviri(now Qunari as texts regarding Akavir were lost) Invade Unhindered by the problems of Tamriel they were Capable of Advancing technology beyond the Current standard in Tamrial(refered to now as Thedas also do to distortions and misinterpretation of now Ancient Argonian and Kahjiit Writings) Skyrim is swiftly conquered however the Advanced and sustained magical Practice of the Imperial City and Cyrodil Keep the Qunari(Akaviri) back form the rest of the lands. Part of this is because before the first blight during the 2nd Great war with the Elves, the State of highrock was almost completely submerged by Elven Magics of som sort and then during the First blight All suriving Breton refugees Ran to Cyrodil seeking assistance and eventually took up permenant residence there.

How does one explain the new geography of the World? I'm not entirely sure but i think we can just say a wizard did it and leave it at that.


So yeah....Skyrim could infact predict the FOrmation of teh DA:O universe xD thoughts? at the very least give me props for some of the connections which are pretty awesome and fairly probable given the nature of skyrim and TES xD.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 24 décembre 2011 - 10:27 .

[Eski.Moe]

No.

[darth_lopez]

yush

[csfteeeer]

Modifié par csfteeeer, 24 décembre 2011 - 12:00 .

[Weak Sauce Hype]

:|

[IElitePredatorI]

*facepalm*

[King Minos]

What a pointless thread.

[marbatico]

you sir, have an amazing imagination

[Chromie]

Huge wall of ****.

[legion999]

No not right.

Oh and no to the OP.

[darth_lopez]

Arcian wrote...

You do know Elder Scrolls dwarves are actually elves, right?

Right?

Yes yes i do, their technically Called Dwemer and dissapeared for no reason, The also built the "Brass Tower" (aka Numidian)

[darth_lopez]

marbatico wrote...

you sir, have an amazing imagination

Thank you at least someone appreciates all the strings i tied together to create this Wall-o-Text

[Rockworm503]

No excuse for this wall of text. Its not me being rude its literally unreadable for me.

[Addai]

You lost me, OP. I tried to follow it but... what's the point really? The two universes are entirely different.

[Mercuron]

I'm sure there are fanfiction sites out there that would love this crazy !@#$ entirely reasonable crossover.

Modifié par Mercuron, 25 décembre 2011 - 12:30 .

[Russalka]

You people are ruthless.

[Storm Farron]

Thats actually really cool... but I don't think so.

[darth_lopez]

Storm Farron wrote...

Thats actually really cool... but I don't think so.

Thank you, Despite the fact that they're totally unrelated(and i'm by no means trying to make them related), i saw some strings that with a little imagination and plausible thought( regarding Nord Culture, Cyrodilic Culture, Elven Behaviors, Alduin and Parthurnax, the 9(go talos) and the state of everything in Skyrim ) That could lead to a strikingly similar chain of events

[darth_lopez]

Rockworm503 wrote...

No excuse for this wall of text. Its not me being rude its literally unreadable for me.

I don't see it, Everything's grammatical, Puntuation isn't entirely devoid(as well as appropriately used when present). Do you not speak english? or have you not played Skyrim and Dragon Age? Otherwise i don't see how it's not being rude to post what you did, Don't have either a "no" to add, or some actual reaction regarding content Don't Post. Otherwise Cool Story Bro and learn your English.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 25 décembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[chunkyman]

darth_lopez wrote...



I don't see it, Everything's grammatical, Puntuation isn't entirely devoid(as well as appropriately used when present). Do you not speak english? or have you not played Skyrim and Dragon Age? Otherwise i don't see how it's not being rude to post what you did, Don't have either a "no" to add, or some actual reaction regarding content Don't Post. Otherwise Cool Story Bro and learn your English.

So... tempting... to... correct... mistakes... 

But in all seriousness, it is rather difficult to read in the format you have it in. Paragraphs and indentation help improve readability.

Modifié par chunkyman, 25 décembre 2011 - 04:44 .

[LobselVith8]

OP, Ulfric isn't focused on unchecked racism - he has full control of Windhelm, and he hasn't killed off the Dunmer or the Argonians. The Argonians live on the docks because Nords in general are racist, as are Dunmer and many other people. The two belligerent Nords at Windhelm are also angry that the Dunmer didn't join the Stormcloak cause, and Ralof invites a non-Nord to join because "you don't have to be a Nord to fight for Skyrim's freedom."

As for the two universes being the same, since magic is possible for everyone because of Magnus, I don't see it as a possibility. Magic is very, very different in the two universes. Also, the two moons. In addition, the Daedric Princes wouldn't remain silent, and neither would the Aedra. Or even the Night Mother of the Dark Brotherhood.

[darth_lopez]

chunkyman wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...



I don't see it, Everything's grammatical, Puntuation isn't entirely devoid(as well as appropriately used when present). Do you not speak english? or have you not played Skyrim and Dragon Age? Otherwise i don't see how it's not being rude to post what you did, Don't have either a "no" to add, or some actual reaction regarding content Don't Post. Otherwise Cool Story Bro and learn your English.

So... tempting... to... correct... mistakes... 

But in all seriousness, it is rather difficult to read in the format you have it in. Paragraphs and indentation help improve readability.

You could always try but i'm a linguist so I'd probably have a swift counter for nearly every 1 of your likely "Prescriptionist Grammatical Viewpoint" Indentations included. You have a highlight Function for a reason ^^ gg

edit/premptive rebuttal: "Formatting" is not a form of grammar by the way, Also neither is Spelling, or Punctuation(entirely), '.' and ',' are essentially the same meaning(they represent a pause and that's about it) commas however can also be used to the same effect of () in the sense they can singal an embeded clause, and often trigger lists like this. Furthermore if we'd like to evaluate Capitalization(which is only a symbolic prefrence and has no real impact on the situation in english) that is also not grammar(see languages like german or others that Require Capitalization in written texts to distinguish lexical items and aid in context from time to time English is not among these languages). '/' can be used to mean and/or (<--evidence common phrasing) and would be valid usage of the symbol...<--elipses signifies trailing off of the thought/ommision of something and i'm sure a few other things. I could go on but time runs out for me as it is christmas morning now. In anycase yes i'm sure paragraph indentations would be quite helpful in making it more aestheticly pleasing but they do not at all prevent your coprehension of the material present nor does the lack of indententions in anyway particularly hinder it. Therefore the text is not,as you say, "Unreadable" For that to occur the text would need grammatical and spelling errors as well as punctuation errors out to wazoo(<--real word btw(<--Real Acronym also)). You are rather Unwilling to read it because you have stereotypically high formatting requirements of the average "grammar"(term used lightly) "****"(term used strongly). And frankly as my reaction to your post may indicate i grow immensely weary from seeing hordes of you types on the interwebs(<--indeed also a real term synonomous with Internet in the American Dialect at least.) gg bro.(<--real acronym and a real abreviation)

TL;DR(as you may need it): In essence no: spelling, punctuation, along with capitalization and indentation/formating are not parts of Actual(Natural) English Grammar. They are Parts of Prescriptive Grammar and as such often only appeal to the reader/writer in some Aesthetic way. They often do not actually improve the "Readability" of the material. Infact your statement Readability is Subjective as to literally be unreadable would require ungrammaticality, which there is none of in the OP. Evidence of this is the sheer fact people have responded and have understood the content. And are obviously capable of reading it... You however made the distinction not to read, based upon aesthetics, and therefore your unreadability is imaginary and does not matter.


Also merry Christmas

and if i come off brash or abbrasive in some way shape and form it's only because your responses are typical of the general "overhyped english teacher for a kindergarten class" type of person. Now if only linguists could kill the myth that Americans Don't Speak good english once and for all...Unfortunately People like you prevent that from happening.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 25 décembre 2011 - 08:08 .

[darth_lopez]

LobselVith8 wrote...

OP, Ulfric isn't focused on unchecked racism - he has full control of Windhelm, and he hasn't killed off the Dunmer or the Argonians. The Argonians live on the docks because Nords in general are racist,as are Dunmer and many other people. The two belligerent Nords at Windhelm are also angry that the Dunmer didn't join the Stormcloak cause, and Ralof invites a non-Nord to join because "you don't have to be a Nord to fight for Skyrim's freedom."

How much time have you spent in Windhelm? xD there's more than 2 xD infact numerous NPCs in Windhelm alone can be Quoted as saying something to the effect of "Kill all the elves cat people and Argonians!" . Your First Point regarding Ulfric not being focused not he unchecked Racism is exactly my point. Under ulfric the racism would grow unchecked and eventually Extremists Groups would lash out at the argonians and Kahjiit and the Elves over time of course. Secondly with regards to the other races the most noticeable ones seem to be the Imperials(see everybook written on other races) The majority of elves looking down on everyone who's not an elf, and Of course our Wonderous nords who despise non-humans apparently. However in Cyrodil (not sure of morrowind or Highrock and hammerfell as i never played those games) unlike Skyrim the Only real Discernable racisim was typically between Imperials and Elves and the occasional Argonians publicly. In skyrim we have quite the opposite Publicly Everything including "provincials" and mages are talked down upon by the nords. Straight to your face or otherwise. If Ulfric does nothing to curb this problem(as he seems most uncarring for anything other than power) you'd have yourself and incredibly large problem coming later as races are destroyed by roving bands of Nords and Alduin 2.0,

As for the two universes being the same, since magic is possible for everyone because of Magnus, I don't see it as a possibility. Magic is very, very different in the two universes. Also, the two moons. In addition, the Daedric Princes wouldn't remain silent, and neither would the Aedra. Or even the Night Mother of the Dark Brotherhood.

See part regarding the phasing out of magic, potentially possible. I'd also like to take this time to point out One of Magnus' 2 moons resembles Klendagon or Klencory from Mass Effect...

We've also never really seen the existence of any of the Aedra  Just the Deadra who could be chalked up to Powerful "Fade Lords" possessing Mages in Dragon age and causing problems in the hopes they can somehow reclaim the power they had over mortals before ;p. the Aedra on the other hand seem to stay out of most mortal affairs from what i can tell. The only actual intervention of an Aedra i can recall from my playing experiences is the Avatar of Akatosh that martin becomes ending the Septim Dragonborn line forever. Perhaps one could imagine that the knowledge of the aedra became "the old gods" or even the deadra became "the old gods" from DA's universe who are mentioned as being dragons yes but Who else is a dragon in the Pantheon of the 8 and 1? Akatosh, in the Nordic Pantheon we have 2 Alduin and Akatosh. I'm sure there are more Aedra/Deadra that could or do indeed look like dragons and could justify the series

Again not saying the 2 worlds are the same, simply propossing the idea that they have some strikingly similar and relatively easy to connect strings.

Edit: btw avatar of akatosh can be chalked up to Massive Fire Magic spell as well or even a shapeshifter if we want to look at how historical records of the event may have decayed over time and come more into line with DA:O's world score +1

Edit: Edit: Also do present Proof the Aedra wouldn't remain silent, cause historically speaking the mostly have in TES games

Modifié par darth_lopez, 25 décembre 2011 - 07:42 .

[MrDizazta]

Arcian wrote...

You do know Elder Scrolls dwarves are actually elves, right?

Right?

And not short at all (which lets face it, Bethesda is super lazy in character model development).