darth_lopez wrote...
Arcian wrote...
You do know Elder Scrolls dwarves are actually elves, right?
Right?
Yes yes i do, their technically Called Dwemer and dissapeared for no reason, The also built the "Brass Tower" (aka Numidian)
Two drunks. And yes, I spent a lot of time in Windhelm, it was my first character's home base. Did you talk to Niranye, or the Hlaalus and their Nord employees?darth_lopez wrote...
How much time have you spent in Windhelm? xD there's more than 2 xD infact numerous NPCs in Windhelm alone can be Quoted as saying something to the effect of "Kill all the elves cat people and Argonians!" .
How much do you know about TES lore? All the races are racist toward the others. Some of the holds actually become more "diverse" under Stormcloak leadership than imperial.Your First Point regarding Ulfric not being focused not he unchecked Racism is exactly my point. Under ulfric the racism would grow unchecked and eventually Extremists Groups would lash out at the argonians and Kahjiit and the Elves over time of course. Secondly with regards to the other races the most noticeable ones seem to be the Imperials(see everybook written on other races) The majority of elves looking down on everyone who's not an elf, and Of course our Wonderous nords who despise non-humans apparently. However in Cyrodil (not sure of morrowind or Highrock and hammerfell as i never played those games) unlike Skyrim the Only real Discernable racisim was typically between Imperials and Elves and the occasional Argonians publicly. In skyrim we have quite the opposite Publicly Everything including "provincials" and mages are talked down upon by the nords. Straight to your face or otherwise. If Ulfric does nothing to curb this problem(as he seems most uncarring for anything other than power) you'd have yourself and incredibly large problem coming later as races are destroyed by roving bands of Nords and Alduin 2.0,
Modifié par Deathwurm, 25 décembre 2011 - 02:24 .
darth_lopez wrote...
You could always try but i'm a linguist so I'd probably have a swift counter for nearly every 1 of your likely "Prescriptionist Grammatical Viewpoint" Indentations included. You have a highlight Function for a reason ^^ gg
edit/premptive rebuttal: "Formatting" is not a form of grammar by the way, Also neither is Spelling, or Punctuation(entirely), '.' and ',' are essentially the same meaning(they represent a pause and that's about it) commas however can also be used to the same effect of () in the sense they can singal an embeded clause, and often trigger lists like this. Furthermore if we'd like to evaluate Capitalization(which is only a symbolic prefrence and has no real impact on the situation in english) that is also not grammar(see languages like german or others that Require Capitalization in written texts to distinguish lexical items and aid in context from time to time English is not among these languages). '/' can be used to mean and/or (<--evidence common phrasing) and would be valid usage of the symbol...<--elipses signifies trailing off of the thought/ommision of something and i'm sure a few other things. I could go on but time runs out for me as it is christmas morning now. In anycase yes i'm sure paragraph indentations would be quite helpful in making it more aestheticly pleasing but they do not at all prevent your coprehension of the material present nor does the lack of indententions in anyway particularly hinder it. Therefore the text is not,as you say, "Unreadable" For that to occur the text would need grammatical and spelling errors as well as punctuation errors out to wazoo(<--real word btw(<--Real Acronym also)). You are rather Unwilling to read it because you have stereotypically high formatting requirements of the average "grammar"(term used lightly) "****"(term used strongly). And frankly as my reaction to your post may indicate i grow immensely weary from seeing hordes of you types on the interwebs(<--indeed also a real term synonomous with Internet in the American Dialect at least.) gg bro.(<--real acronym and a real abreviation)
TL;DR(as you may need it): In essence no: spelling, punctuation, along with capitalization and indentation/formating are not parts of Actual(Natural) English Grammar. They are Parts of Prescriptive Grammar and as such often only appeal to the reader/writer in some Aesthetic way. They often do not actually improve the "Readability" of the material. Infact your statement Readability is Subjective as to literally be unreadable would require ungrammaticality, which there is none of in the OP. Evidence of this is the sheer fact people have responded and have understood the content. And are obviously capable of reading it... You however made the distinction not to read, based upon aesthetics, and therefore your unreadability is imaginary and does not matter.
Also merry Christmas
and if i come off brash or abbrasive in some way shape and form it's only because your responses are typical of the general "overhyped english teacher for a kindergarten class" type of person. Now if only linguists could kill the myth that Americans Don't Speak good english once and for all...Unfortunately People like you prevent that from happening.
Modifié par chunkyman, 25 décembre 2011 - 03:22 .
Addai67 wrote...
Two drunks. And yes, I spent a lot of time in Windhelm, it was my first character's home base. Did you talk to Niranye, or the Hlaalus and their Nord employees?darth_lopez wrote...
How much time have you spent in Windhelm? xD there's more than 2 xD infact numerous NPCs in Windhelm alone can be Quoted as saying something to the effect of "Kill all the elves cat people and Argonians!" .
How much do you know about TES lore? All the races are racist toward the others. Some of the holds actually become more "diverse" under Stormcloak leadership than imperial.Your First Point regarding Ulfric not being focused not he unchecked Racism is exactly my point. Under ulfric the racism would grow unchecked and eventually Extremists Groups would lash out at the argonians and Kahjiit and the Elves over time of course. Secondly with regards to the other races the most noticeable ones seem to be the Imperials(see everybook written on other races) The majority of elves looking down on everyone who's not an elf, and Of course our Wonderous nords who despise non-humans apparently. However in Cyrodil (not sure of morrowind or Highrock and hammerfell as i never played those games) unlike Skyrim the Only real Discernable racisim was typically between Imperials and Elves and the occasional Argonians publicly. In skyrim we have quite the opposite Publicly Everything including "provincials" and mages are talked down upon by the nords. Straight to your face or otherwise. If Ulfric does nothing to curb this problem(as he seems most uncarring for anything other than power) you'd have yourself and incredibly large problem coming later as races are destroyed by roving bands of Nords and Alduin 2.0,
People take a surface impression and run with it, way beyond what is supported.
I don't see any real comparison between DA and TES beyond the fact that both are high fantasy.
Modifié par darth_lopez, 25 décembre 2011 - 03:56 .
chunkyman wrote...
Calm down, buddy. No need to work yourself into a hissy fit over a simple suggestion. Maybe try some medication.
Do you refer to the OP or else?KenKenpachi wrote...
Mr. Lopez, what you've just wrote is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Modifié par darth_lopez, 25 décembre 2011 - 03:55 .
Slidell505 wrote...
darth_lopez wrote...
Arcian wrote...
You do know Elder Scrolls dwarves are actually elves, right?
Right?
Yes yes i do, their technically Called Dwemer and dissapeared for no reason, The also built the "Brass Tower" (aka Numidian)
They dissappeared because they achieved CHIM and didn't retain their sense of self.
Modifié par darth_lopez, 25 décembre 2011 - 04:29 .
Modifié par Russalka, 25 décembre 2011 - 07:52 .
i'm with you there, i personally love this kind of fanfiction.Russalka wrote...
What? Aren't people allowed to make comparisons and imaginative connections between two fantasy worlds? Or is it once again one of those "Do not mention DA and TES in a single sentence!" kind of problems?
It's two drunks. Angrenor Once-Honored and Rolff Stone-Fist.darth_lopez wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
Two drunks. And yes, I spent a lot of time in Windhelm, it was my first character's home base. Did you talk to Niranye, or the Hlaalus and their Nord employees?darth_lopez wrote...
How much time have you spent in Windhelm? xD there's more than 2 xD infact numerous NPCs in Windhelm alone can be Quoted as saying something to the effect of "Kill all the elves cat people and Argonians!" .
It was my first home too and i assure you it's much more than just 2 drunks. that or i run into the same 2 drunks in the city every 5 feet.
The imperials are just as xenophobic as everyone else. They think they're the divines' gift to the world. All you have to do is listen to them talk about Nords, saying that Nords need their laws and ways to govern themselves. In places where people don't mingle often with other races, they tend to be more suspicious of them. This is just natural. In Riften, for example, there are lots of Argonians and elves and no one talks about racial differences at all.I know plenty regarding the Lore, the problem is what is socially displayed, and again at least in Cyrodil(as i can't speak on Hammerfell highrock or morrowind) They are far more socially accepting of the other races than in Skyrim, very little chatter that can be considered racist coming from the common folk.
Modifié par Addai67, 25 décembre 2011 - 09:30 .
darth_lopez wrote...
Do you refer to the OP or else?KenKenpachi wrote...
Mr. Lopez, what you've just wrote is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
edit. if in regards to puncutation as a form of grammar i can present you with no less than 25 punctuation free sentences exlcuding the period as evidence otherwise. these sentences would also be unambigious and intelligible throughout all english dialects for the most part. this would in effect show that punctuation is in general unecessary for interpretation of a sentence and lies outside of the bounds of grammar excluding perhaps the period which is needed only to mark the end of one thought in written communication otherwise it is unecessary and it simply makes reading a bit easier but has no real effect on the grammaticality of the sentence from the linguistic standpoint. they would also include the sentences presented here as there are roughly 4 sentences 2 with 1 to 3 embedded clauses and 1 questionable string that could either be a 5th sentence or complex pp of somesort.
marbatico wrote...
i'm with you there, i personally love this kind of fanfiction.Russalka wrote...
What? Aren't people allowed to make comparisons and imaginative connections between two fantasy worlds? Or is it once again one of those "Do not mention DA and TES in a single sentence!" kind of problems?
Darth, don't listen to the haters, they're not worthy of your attention
KenKenpachi wrote...
No, no, just the general of the OP, it reminds me of hte Monty Python logic of finding witches.
Addai67 wrote...
It's two drunks. Angrenor Once-Honored and Rolff Stone-Fist.darth_lopez wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
Two drunks. And yes, I spent a lot of time in Windhelm, it was my first character's home base. Did you talk to Niranye, or the Hlaalus and their Nord employees?darth_lopez wrote...
How much time have you spent in Windhelm? xD there's more than 2 xD infact numerous NPCs in Windhelm alone can be Quoted as saying something to the effect of "Kill all the elves cat people and Argonians!" .
It was my first home too and i assure you it's much more than just 2 drunks. that or i run into the same 2 drunks in the city every 5 feet.
The imperials are just as xenophobic as everyone else. They think they're the divines' gift to the world. All you have to do is listen to them talk about Nords, saying that Nords need their laws and ways to govern themselves. In places where people don't mingle often with other races, they tend to be more suspicious of them. This is just natural. In Riften, for example, there are lots of Argonians and elves and no one talks about racial differences at all.I know plenty regarding the Lore, the problem is what is socially displayed, and again at least in Cyrodil(as i can't speak on Hammerfell highrock or morrowind) They are far more socially accepting of the other races than in Skyrim, very little chatter that can be considered racist coming from the common folk.
ALL the races in Tamriel are racist, however. The Dunmer and Argonians have been trying to wipe each other out for centuries, for example. Yet people forget this conveniently and assume the Nords are the only ones who don't play well with others.
Teddie Sage wrote...
Could a mod shut down this thread please?
Guest_Puddi III_*
Addai67 wrote...
You lost me, OP. I tried to follow it but... what's the point really? The two universes are entirely different.
And you don't hear the Nords say that, either.darth_lopez wrote...
In the Argonians defense the Dunmer use them as slaves, There's no defense for the dunmer they're just ****s. Also as i said i will cede that In the books we find in oblivion and a few i've found in skyrim Yes the IMperials are also terrible racists, However i've never heard them suggest rounding up all the elves cat peopel and argonians to Kill them. They simply speak as if they are above them all. I'm not saying the Imperials aren't racist or are completely innocent just slightly less blamable for their Racism as in Oblivion they don't really mention it publicly only in books as far as i can remeber.
Addai67 wrote...
And you don't hear the Nords say that, either.darth_lopez wrote...
In the Argonians defense the Dunmer use them as slaves, There's no defense for the dunmer they're just ****s. Also as i said i will cede that In the books we find in oblivion and a few i've found in skyrim Yes the IMperials are also terrible racists, However i've never heard them suggest rounding up all the elves cat peopel and argonians to Kill them. They simply speak as if they are above them all. I'm not saying the Imperials aren't racist or are completely innocent just slightly less blamable for their Racism as in Oblivion they don't really mention it publicly only in books as far as i can remeber.
darth_lopez wrote...
How much time have you sent in Windhelm?
Skyrim Weekened by Hundreds of years fighting the Elves alone
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