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[vvDRUCILLAvv]

So what do you think, do the ends truly justify the means? Would you be willing to do the unthinkable if the outcome was favorable and if so why? Lets discuss this over tea and strumpets shall we.

[Exia001]

I HATE RENEGADES...There

[SNascimento]

No.

[SykoWolf]

Well think about the aftermath of the war. Shepard and humans will be labelled bigots and war criminals and before u kno it another intergalactic war starts. There is always another way, always

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

I'm not just referring to game play but real life as well.

[armass]

It depends on lot of things like what the situation is and what means would we need to take to acheive the desired goal. In the end it is rarely worth it, if the damage along the way becomes unthinkable. 

I do however support "the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few" idea. If 10 people must die for 1000 to live, they would die if the choice would be mine, but ONLY if there was no other choice. Tragic, not sleeping well after that, but the alternative would have been even worse.

Modifié par armass, 24 décembre 2011 - 03:39 .

[Dreadwing 67]

To do what was necessary, I would hope I could suspend morality in RL. in Game it will depend on which of my Sheps I be playin.

In RL I would do something unthinkable if it meant to save more lives and end some god awful conflict......I only imagine.

Modifié par Dreadwing 67, 24 décembre 2011 - 03:31 .

[Dean_the_Young]

To an extent. It depends on context: not all ends justify any means, not all means are equally valid, and so on.

[Dreadwing 67]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

To an extent. It depends on context: not all ends justify any means, not all means are equally valid, and so on.

Tis a complex subject, and I wholly agree on this.

[SykoWolf]

In real life I would never justify my actions by the resulting outcome, its like saying "hey you murdered 70 people" " oh, but I did it to get rid of a serial killer who had the potential to kill more then 70 people"

[Swampthing500]

Given the amount of rubbish I've seen Cerberus go through, I would have to say no, especially when the end translates to "subject of experimentation escapes, kills everybody".

[xentar]

No.

[Dean_the_Young]

xentar wrote...

No.

Is that a 'No, without exception', 'no, in general', 'no, with significant caveats,' 'no, my morals never cross themselves,' 'no, but sometimes my morals do cross themselves and I must resolve them,' 'no, depending on the means in question', or just 'no, I have nothing meaningful to contribute to the discussion'?

[Dreadwing 67]

SykoWolf wrote...

In real life I would never justify my actions by the resulting outcome, its like saying "hey you murdered 70 people" " oh, but I did it to get rid of a serial killer who had the potential to kill more then 70 people"

That is counter productive......<_<

If someone say like Osama Bin Laden gave you a choice to save 70 people, or bring him down and save countless more people what would you do. I would hopefully stop him and save many more lives, but once more a complicated subject as how would I know he was going to do anything else after these 70 people that he put in mortal danger.

[Andorfiend]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

So what do you think, do the ends truly justify the means? Would you be willing to do the unthinkable if the outcome was favorable and if so why? Lets discuss this over tea and strumpets shall we.

I'll make tea, if you'll supply the strumpets.

And ends vs means is a complex subject. Context is all. But in the end, no. There are actions which are inexcusable, no matter the price of failure.

In ME 3 Humanity is facing genocide. There are not many inexcusable acts when facing that peril, but there are some.

[Aumata]

Depends on the context.

[xentar]

A little of everything. It's an abbreviation for "it's better to lose than to sacrifice" and a general statement that if something requires sacrifice, it's not worth pursuing.

[Swampthing500]

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

SykoWolf wrote...

In real life I would never justify my actions by the resulting outcome, its like saying "hey you murdered 70 people" " oh, but I did it to get rid of a serial killer who had the potential to kill more then 70 people"

That is counter productive......<_<

If someone say like Osama Bin Laden gave you a choice to save 70 people, or bring him down and save countless more people what would you do. I would hopefully stop him and save many more lives, but once more a complicated subject as how would I know he was going to do anything else after these 70 people that he put in mortal danger.

Save 70 now. Nothing to stop people from tracking down and killing Osama later!

[Bad King]

In certain situations they do e.g destroying the alpha relay to delay the reapers or sparing the collector base to gain an advantage over the reapers (I probably shouldn't have said that!)

[C9316]

Depends, sometimes you've got to look at the big picture.

[Dreadwing 67]

Swampthing500 wrote...

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

SykoWolf wrote...

In
real life I would never justify my actions by the resulting outcome,
its like saying "hey you murdered 70 people" " oh, but I did it to get
rid of a serial killer who had the potential to kill more then 70
people"

That is counter productive......../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

If
someone say like Osama Bin Laden gave you a choice to save 70 people,
or bring him down and save countless more people what would you do. I
would hopefully stop him and save many more lives, but once more a
complicated subject as how would I know he was going to do anything else
after these 70 people that he put in mortal danger.

Save 70 now. Nothing to stop people from tracking down and killing Osama later!

But he lets loose a biological weapon and London and Los Angeles are wiped out.

They kill him 3 days later

Modifié par Dreadwing 67, 24 décembre 2011 - 03:55 .

[SykoWolf]

Ok say the ends were that u save the human race and majority of the galaxy. BUT in the process u sacrifice millions of lives and the extinction of the quarians? Does that justify the ends?