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[AlexXIV]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

.. I think the decision to ignore Sovereing and save the Council first is what I would call 'ruthless idealistic'. As in idealistic to a point to sacrifice everyone and everything for your ideals.

And this is why I called THAT paragon decision egoistcial. 
Ya, that was me, not Luc0s - just to clear that up.

Btw I am not getting angry either. But I can get defensive. Especially
if you jump in the fray like that when I am already having a heated
discussion with Lotion. And boy, Lotion can tick me off like no other. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

The sentimenet is mutual dear Sir.
I am however pleased at this recent 180°. There's hope for ya yet:wizard:

Well as I said I am not unreasonable. And what made me change my opinion was mostly Shepard's choice of words. 'Save the Council at all costs'. There are theories around that still give him a good reason to save the Council. Based on the assumption that Sovereign could only open the relay with Saren's help, which is why he revived Saren after (in my playthrough) Saren commited suicide. But honestly, the idea that Sovereign could not open the relay without someone helping him seems ... questionable, he is a Reaper, why should they build the citadel in a way that they need a third party to activate one of their own relays? Just to give the galaxy a chance to stop them? Also Shepard's choice of words suggests at this point he really was going to risk Sovereign to succeed. Because 'at all costs' means for me that he'd sacrifice everything to save the Council. But instead he should sacrifice everything to stop the Reapers. Even the Council if need be. Because Shepard's the only one at this point who knows/believes that there is a Reaper fleet in darkspace waiting to return. While everyone else seems to think that Sovereign is a Geth ship.

We are still in disagreement on the Collector Base though

Modifié par AlexXIV, 30 décembre 2011 - 10:21 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

AlexXIV wrote...
We are still in disagreement on the Collector Base though

You will be enlightened in time....
Just you wait.

[AlexXIV]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
We are still in disagreement on the Collector Base though

You will be enlightened in time....
Just you wait.

I can't rule that out anymore, seeing how I was wrong with the Council as well. But it would take effort to convice me. I simply prefer the morale choices, so any reasoning that makes the morale choice 'wrong' must be bulletproof.

Which is probably my answer to the OP to get this back on track. The end does not justifiy the means because in the end you will have to justify your means. Meaning that if you are going to 'sacrifice' then better be sure it is worth it.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 30 décembre 2011 - 10:46 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
We are still in disagreement on the Collector Base though

You will be enlightened in time....
Just you wait.

In the end the simple reality is that we have no idea why cerberus is acting against shep now, indoctrination is a possibility, an act to create the appearence they want to take shep out much the way they did not warn shep about the inactive collector vessel. Friend or Foe as long as the Illusive Man acts in the best interest of humanity he'll have my support. The reaper focus on earth will have us greatly weakened by the time the reapers are destroyed and humanity can still easily be finished off by other enemies such as the Batarians and I'm sure others will jump at the opportunity to eliminate the perceived "easy pickings". Humanity needs to be in complete and total control of power in the universe at the end of Mass Effect 3 and we will then need to use that power to take the fight to any and all who would have us destroyed without mercy or hesitation. It's kill or be killed and if you think the reapers are the only threat you are gravely mistaken.

[AlexXIV]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
We are still in disagreement on the Collector Base though

You will be enlightened in time....
Just you wait.

In the end the simple reality is that we have no idea why cerberus is acting against shep now, indoctrination is a possibility, an act to create the appearence they want to take shep out much the way they did not warn shep about the inactive collector vessel. Friend or Foe as long as the Illusive Man acts in the best interest of humanity he'll have my support. The reaper focus on earth will have us greatly weakened by the time the reapers are destroyed and humanity can still easily be finished off by other enemies such as the Batarians and I'm sure others will jump at the opportunity to eliminate the perceived "easy pickings". Humanity needs to be in complete and total control of power in the universe at the end of Mass Effect 3 and we will then need to use that power to take the fight to any and all who would have us destroyed without mercy or hesitation. It's kill or be killed and if you think the reapers are the only threat you are gravely mistaken.

This invokes the picture of a fleet of human reapers who control the galaxy but have to retreat into dark space to save ressources and only return every 50.000 years to harvest ressources. I mean that's exactly the line of thought that may have led to the creation of the first Reapers.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 30 décembre 2011 - 10:59 .