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[Ryzaki]

Newnation wrote...
No he wasn't violently killed in them but he was wearing them when passed.  As I said I don't think keeping a momento of someone who was close to you that died is creepy at all regardless of if they wore it or not. Some people take a lock of their loved ones hair after they die. Its just a keepsake to remember them by.

Conrad on the otherhand doing something like that or having a shrine is creepy as hell. Conrad reminds me of a stalker who tells someone that they are meant to be togethor after meeting someone once and then days later is served with a restraining order.

If she had taken Shep's dogtags and placed them in a nice case I'd be all whatever. That's far closer to the example of you taking the watch. She took his busted as heck armor that as another poster said probably was bloodied and gored up with his meat and tubes (Jacob's words not mine) then placed it in a display case (probably after cleaning up the muck). That's creepy as far as I'm concerned. And I'd find it equally creepy if someone kept the clothes their loved ones were murdered in a case as well. There are other things one can use as a keepsake. You don't need to reach for the one that the person suffered a horrible death wearing (with the outfit still having said rips and tears from said death) first. I don't just find it creepy but in bad taste as well.

Frankly Conrad isn't that much creepier to me considering the way my Shep's treated Liara in ME1. Conrad at least seemed to get the "leave me alone." hint. All Shep's were not Liara's BFF in ME1 (even if he seemed to be defaulted to BFFs in ME2.) so the "I missed my friend/lover so much." excuse doesn't really hold. In my games it really is creepy obsession.

strive wrote...

I found the armor a bit creepy. If she had
say Shepard's dog tags in a case that wouldn't be as weird. But the
armor seemed like a bit much considering Shepard blood, guts and whatnot
were probably present in it when she got it.

Like Ryzaki said, I
wouldn't want to keep the shirt of a murder victim in a case in my
living room. No matter how much I thought of them. Now one of their
rings or necklaces sure why not. However I don't think I'd display it in
my living room.

Exactly. This is a YMMV situation but yeah I find it creepy.

And the armor being valuable to some people doesn't make it anyless creepy to display. Especially since those people do not know Shep personally.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 décembre 2011 - 04:53 .

[Dariustwinblade]

Ryzaki she only digs up your tags if you romance her. The other time Hackett GIVES her your tags at an unspacified time.

You body was found by the Sun merc. And they removed your armor from your body and analysed it. They gave it to the broker


Liara never touched your corpse. Its unknown when she go your armor. It could be she used her broker powers to retrieve your armor from the Suns.

But Liara never decirated your body.

[JamieCOTC]

I just see it as Liara having no self respect. If Shep treated her like crap, why in the hell would she even bother to find his/her body? Sheps who treated her badly should realistically be dead. Even so, she's not haLF as bad as Tali. You can use her as a verbal punching bag and she develops a crush? Talk about creepy.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 26 décembre 2011 - 05:01 .

[Ryzaki]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Ryzaki she only digs up your tags if you romance her. The other time Hackett GIVES her your tags at an unspacified time.

You body was found by the Sun merc. And they removed your armor from your body and analysed it. They gave it to the broker


Liara never touched your corpse. Its unknown when she go your armor. It could be she used her broker powers to retrieve your armor from the Suns.

But Liara never decirated your body.

Really? Because I recall getting Shep's tags on a non-romanced game. (frankly I had one Shep who romanced Liara a grand total of once and haven't even gone through LOTSB with that Shep). Oh wait. I see what you mean. 

...Hackett giving Liara Shep's tags if she wasn't romanced doesn't make much sense to me to be honest. (Frankly the tags should have a priortiy list. A. Shep's mom if he/she is a Spacer B. Shep's LI if he/she has one C. Anderson)

When is that ever said? 

So...she never had Shep's body? Then how did she hand it over to Cerberus (she did tell my Shep she's the one who gave him to Cerberus) and why did Cerberus even need her?  

@Jamie: That's sadly the way I looked at it too. It still looks pretty creepy and pathetic though. Tali looking pretty bad doesn't lessen it. Garrus at least has the benefit of Shep not being able to treat him that badly other than ignoring him. (and that one turian jibe). Otherwise Shep falls into mentor role. The only way around it is to not talk to him. (Kaidan also has the lack of Renegade Shep being able to browbeat him). Everyone else can be either physically put down or verbally.

Though instead of Shep being dead it could be that Cerberus found Shep's body on their own. Even give Shep a different greeting from Liara and Miranda.
Alas that would mean Shep's treatement of NPCs were consistent from game to game and not defaulted to BFFs with everyone. Can't have that. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 décembre 2011 - 05:26 .

[Labrev]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I just see it as Liara having no self respect. If Shep treated her like crap, why in the hell would she even bother to find his/her body? Sheps who treated her badly should realistically be dead. Even so, she's not haLF as bad as Tali. You can use her as a verbal punching bag and she develops a crush? Talk about creepy.

Things like that don't typically make sense irl. It happens so often that people in a relationship with an abusive significant-other will put up with all the crap they have to deal with. Why? They have feelings for that person, even if they aren't always the most respectful to him/her. Even if they do leave, they may still care and be sad about it.

Attraction is a much more complicated thing than simple friendship.

[Dariustwinblade]

Hackett gives Liara the tags sometime before you give Liara info on the broker.

Hackett gives it to Liara to give it back to Shepard. Who is alive at that time.

We don't know when Liara and Hackett finds your tags. It could be after Lazarus.

In any case Shepard gets his tags from Anderson as shown in the fall of earth demo.


Also you can hardly be a dick or jerk to Liara. A hardass renagade maybe but not an outright jerk.


Liara is fiercely loyal to those who save or help them. Even if they don't deserve it. Look at Feron, he betrayed Liara TWICE nearly got her killed. Yet when Feron saved Liara, look at the length she went to save him.

Shepard regardless of character saved Liara, kept her safe, and melded with her mind TWICE. She knows shepard more than anyone. Its not surprising the length she went to save Shepard.

Her character to those who save her is like a wookie with a life debt. Fiercely loyal!

Hope that clears it up Ryzaki.

[Ryzaki]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Hackett gives Liara the tags sometime before you give Liara info on the broker.

Hackett gives it to Liara to give it back to Shepard. Who is alive at that time.

We don't know when Liara and Hackett finds your tags. It could be after Lazarus.

In any case Shepard gets his tags from Anderson as shown in the fall of earth demo.


Also you can hardly be a dick or jerk to Liara. A hardass renagade maybe but not an outright jerk.


Liara is fiercely loyal to those who save or help them. Even if they don't deserve it. Look at Feron, he betrayed Liara TWICE nearly got her killed. Yet when Feron saved Liara, look at the length she went to save him.

Shepard regardless of character saved Liara, kept her safe, and melded with her mind TWICE. She knows shepard more than anyone. Its not surprising the length she went to save Shepard.

Her character to those who save her is like a wookie with a life debt. Fiercely loyal!

Hope that clears it up Ryzaki.

...and Hackett is ridculous. "Yes let's give the tags to Liara and not...you know Anderson." *le sigh*

Shep can be a jerk to Liara. I don't consider calling her "disgusting." and constantly chewing her out to not be jerkish.

Just means Liara is obsessive and a doormat when it comes to those who save her. Not really a good thing.

If she had been more cool to a Shepard who had been jerkish towards her and simply went "a life for a life." without the hug (and busted armor in a case) and "Shepard!" I would've dug it saving Shep's life out of a sense of debt could've worked just as much as "I couldn't let you go!" or "was I suppose to let my friend die?". (Plus yay continuity!).

And my Shep only melded with her once. All you have to do is pick her up last. And the only way she knows Shep better than she knows anyone (especially her mother) is if she violated memories she had no business violating...which isn't helping lessen the creepiness factor.

That said I'm coming from this from a non friendship/lover Shep angle. And if Shep's not her friend/lover...it ends up looking creepy.

The above is all IMO of course.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 décembre 2011 - 06:23 .

[SgtPepper667]

Legion is incapable of emotion. They might be able to simulate it, but that's all it would ever be. Their "romance" would only be one sided. It'd be the same as putting Joker and EDI together. Humans do not romance AIs...that's just...weird.

As for Liara, I personally don't like her that much, but I don't think she's a creepy LI for Shepard. She cares for Shepard a lot and would do anything for him/her. She's strange to me, but that doesn't make her a creepy LI...

[Yuqi]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Bah. Shepard-Commander's code is superior.
That's why Liara wants it to randomize her DNA!

Lol 

[Dariustwinblade]

All squadmate relationship would seem creepy in me2. If they are unromanced/ not friendshiped/unrecruited.

Look at Garrus.
Don't recruit him. Take him to Tali's rescue mission.
He STILL says "just like old times"
lol at it.

Also another funny scene is.

1. Romance Liara in Me1.

2. DON'T meet up with her in Me2. Before the SM.

3. Flirt with Miranda/Tali/Jack romance them, have sex with them.

4. Meet with Liara in her office after sleeping with your me2 LI. Also bring them in your party.

5. LOL at Liara making out with you, while your current me2 LI watch.

[Ryzaki]

God that bothers me too. D:

The Sheps that don't recruit Garrus just kill him off so they don't have to deal with that in ME3. [the ones that were jerks to Tali tend to kill her off too. So that at least isn't gonna annoy the heck out of me.]

I don't know why the devs didn't bother being consistent. It would've been a nice touch.

Yeah but considering the ME2 LI doesn't say a peep when Shiala/Parsini make moves I just take it as them being blind. Seriously don't know what the devs was thinking with that.(still kind of annoyed said hug/kiss isn't *optional* seeing as Shep could've moved on by that point.)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 décembre 2011 - 07:00 .

[Mr666]

The thing I must have not been clear on with Liara is not creepy are love or respect for Shepard but the fact of the passion her puts into founding Shepard. Its like a kid that doesn't understand death because I feel as since her didn't see you die she thinks Shepard still alive and that feeling won't  go away unless she see the body of Shepard. I love Liare but I found it hard with someone with so much intelligence to be so caught off guard by death. I think it changed something in her because she stop being the sweet and innocent became a cold and cruel with overwhelming feels for Shepard. She not that much off from Jack now....


"Legion is incapable of emotion. They might be able to simulate it, but
that's all it would ever be. Their "romance" would only be one sided.
It'd be the same as putting Joker and EDI together. Humans do not
romance AIs...that's just...weird."

That was my point but that seem to me where they were kind of going with Legion and Shepard's interacts.

[ravene]

Legion dident bother me so much,
I see legion as wanting to be more like shep a hero for his people not having a crush

But Liara did have my body for a time, and putting my armor in a glass display case that i died in defently falls in creepy catagory. I can see wanting a memento form someone you care for when they die but putting it in a display case in the middle of your living room after they died in it umm nope that goes way beond creepy for me.

the dog tags should have come from your LI, anderson or heck even threw the mail form your mother(spacer shep) or hackett I agree on that. having Liara have them and hold them hostage since the only way to get them is to invite her to the normandy to get them back umm nope not good way to make liara seem less stalkerish or less creepy.

I went from being ok she can stay in friend catagory in Me1 to umm nope dont want her anywere around after me2 and for 3 i know i wont be taking her off ship unless the game plot demands it.

[PauseforEffect]

*conspiratorial whisper*
Liara and Legion are like Buffalo Bill and the Devil's Rejects. They plan to skin Shepard and make a suit out of the commander!>:{D
Silly nonsense aside, Legion keeping a piece of armor so far only serves to demonstrate the development of the Geth's psychology. Liara's possession touches upon an obsessive nature if we take into account her frequent Prothean lectures in ME1, her 2 year search for the Shadow Broker in ME2 (that Shepard can even declare an insane action) and her fondness for background checks without people's permission

[SgtPepper667]

Mr666 wrote...

That was my point but that seem to me where they were kind of going with Legion and Shepard's interacts.

I think Legion "respects" Shepard. Out of everyone in the galaxy, Shepard has killed the most heretic geth. The heretics are Legion's "enemies", and they needed help in overcoming them. Besides there are thousands of geth in Legion's one platform, they must have come to a consensus to see Shepard as a hero. As much as they can with simulated emotions anyways.

[Mr666]

SgtPepper667 wrote...

Mr666 wrote...

That was my point but that seem to me where they were kind of going with Legion and Shepard's interacts.

I think Legion "respects" Shepard. Out of everyone in the galaxy, Shepard has killed the most heretic geth. The heretics are Legion's "enemies", and they needed help in overcoming them. Besides there are thousands of geth in Legion's one platform, they must have come to a consensus to see Shepard as a hero. As much as they can with simulated emotions anyways.

That is true but Legion could just as easy wire money to accounts and get a unlimited amount of money and just hire mercs to do all Legion's work. Why put faith in one man when you could have a army at your finger tips. Not to down I'm our Shepards but its been shown that Shepard is not a god or Immortal..... he /she can die it  just be a little harder than most to do. The thing that I'm trying to say is this as a Machine Legion is pure logic which is why the Quarians feared them so much. Even though Shepard did the impossible the odds that would  come up with would cause Legion to choose a more logical choice but Legion didn't. There is something more to Legion... it's respect is form of feeling of what Shepard has done otherwise he would understand Shepard not respect.

[Ahriman]

SgtPepper667 wrote...

Mr666 wrote...

That was my point but that seem to me where they were kind of going with Legion and Shepard's interacts.

I think Legion "respects" Shepard. Out of everyone in the galaxy, Shepard has killed the most heretic geth. The heretics are Legion's "enemies", and they needed help in overcoming them. Besides there are thousands of geth in Legion's one platform, they must have come to a consensus to see Shepard as a hero. As much as they can with simulated emotions anyways.

Actually 'true' geth didn't want to destroy heretics nor overcoming them. Heretics made their  choice and others accepted that. Until Station episode, but that was much later.

[Mr666]

Legion didn't accept what the heretics choice at all because it knew the old machines cheated and effected the Geth's choice to become the heretics. Not till Shepard and Legion arrived at the station did Legion know it could reprogram them and if then untouched but the Old machines came to the same line of thought than Legion would accept them as they are for it was their own logic that lead them there and no one else. The more you think about how Legion thinks you will see how it is started to bridge the gap between that of machine and organic life.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...

Legion's pretty creepy too but he has the virtue of being a robot to turn it from creepy stalkerness to d'aaaaw. Liara doesn't have that excuse.

She has boobs, intelligence, and an unshakable loyalty. But mostly boobs.


As anyone who's read or watched Mirai Nikki (Future Diary) knows, creepy stalkerness is excused when it's from someone with boobs, intelligence, and unshakable loyalty. Just look at Yuno Gasai.

[Ahriman]

Mr666 wrote...

Legion didn't accept what the heretics choice at all because it knew the old machines cheated and effected the Geth's choice to become the heretics. Not till Shepard and Legion arrived at the station did Legion know it could reprogram them and if then untouched but the Old machines came to the same line of thought than Legion would accept them as they are for it was their own logic that lead them there and no one else. The more you think about how Legion thinks you will see how it is started to bridge the gap between that of machine and organic life.

Ehm, no. Some geth just decided that Sovereign is an apex of geth evolution and followed it.

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Legion's pretty creepy too but he has the virtue of being a robot to turn it from creepy stalkerness to d'aaaaw. Liara doesn't have that excuse.

She has boobs, intelligence, and an unshakable loyalty. But mostly boobs.


As anyone who's read or watched Mirai Nikki (Future Diary) knows, creepy stalkerness is excused when it's from someone with boobs, intelligence, and unshakable loyalty. Just look at Yuno Gasai.

Not if you yourself have boobs and don't dig other chicks. Then they're still a creepy stalker.

Though never read/watched that. Is it a anime/manga or something else? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 décembre 2011 - 02:00 .

[Dariustwinblade]

Wait Ryzaki your a girl?

And how you think she is a stalker is beyond me.

[Dariustwinblade]

She looks up on your history. It not like its top secret info.

So does Grunt and Conrad Verner

It ALL OVER THE bloody extranet. Shepards profile in not classified info.

[Ryzaki]

Yes I am a chick.

Nah Legion gets the stalker title (though barely). Liara's just clingy and creepy IMO.

...and where did I say she was a stalker because she looked up Shep's data? That would be the last thing I'd call her a stalker for. That made her a bit odd yes but not a stalker.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 décembre 2011 - 02:13 .

[AgitatedLemon]

It ALL OVER THE bloody extranet. Shepards profile in not classified info.

Interstellar wikipedia.