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[JohnnyTheWolf]

I wonder. Since TIM wanted someone to keep an eye on Shepard so badly, shouldn't Kai Leng have been one of Shepard's squadmates in ME2 instead of, say, Jacob or Miranda?

Modifié par JohnnyTheWolf, 26 décembre 2011 - 01:28 .

[ediskrad327]

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

I wonder. Since TIM wanted someone to keep an eye on Shepard so badly, shouldn't Kai Leng have been one of Shepard's squadmates in ME2 instead of, say, Jacob or Miranda?

maybe he thought that an assassin Xenophobe in a ship with a bunch of aliens wasn't such a good idea

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ediskrad327 wrote...

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

I wonder. Since TIM wanted someone to keep an eye on Shepard so badly, shouldn't Kai Leng have been one of Shepard's squadmates in ME2 instead of, say, Jacob or Miranda?

maybe he thought that an assassin Xenophobe in a ship with a bunch of aliens wasn't such a good idea

 Plus some of those aliens are already rather likely to get violent due to only tolerating Cerberus. Jack may even consider Kai Leng more annoying than Miranda.

[sk45]

i think we will probably have a couple of skirmishes with him ( probably with bay styles cut scenes ) before a final showdown

By the way quick idea i think it is possible for him to turn against Cerberus if they are indoctrinated and working for the reapers, doubt it tough.

[GMagnum]

i kno wat all dose word maen wat i win tbh

[Broodriguez]

Luc0s wrote...

You folks need to learn to recognize a mary sue. Kai Leng isn't one.

kai leng is a mary sue ese, who beats a squad of highly trained turians with a pocket knife?


Kai leng is the agent smith to shepards neo. 

[AgitatedLemon]

Thane took out an Asari commando merc and other well trained Eclipse mercs in hand to hand not even giving them a chance to shoot. He also walked into a shadow and disappeared from the enemy's sight. A second later he dropped down behind him and broke his neck. Thane also made another magic disappearing act at some point in ME2. Also Thane has a perfect memory allowing him to learn from every single mistake he has made and even memorize many skills easily.

1. Thane is an assassin. He's be a pretty terrible assassin if he got caught. His perfect memory also plays into this.

2. You can chalk that disappearing act up to just trying to be "Cool". At least that's how I see it.

3. His perfect memory is a trait to his entire species, not just him.

[JohnnyTheWolf]

ediskrad327 wrote...

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

I wonder. Since TIM wanted someone to keep an eye on Shepard so badly, shouldn't Kai Leng have been one of Shepard's squadmates in ME2 instead of, say, Jacob or Miranda?

maybe he thought that an assassin Xenophobe in a ship with a bunch of aliens wasn't such a good idea

True. But then again, you gotta wonder why the leader of a human-centric faction such as Cerberus would want Shepard to recruit aliens in the first place.

Modifié par JohnnyTheWolf, 26 décembre 2011 - 03:11 .

[SnakeStrike8]

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

I wonder. Since TIM wanted someone to keep an eye on Shepard so badly, shouldn't Kai Leng have been one of Shepard's squadmates in ME2 instead of, say, Jacob or Miranda?

Leng was supposed to be a super powered God-born badass, though. That's only something you can manage in a book. If he'd been in ME 2, and subject to that game's abysmal AI, he'd have turned out to be a total chump, good only for pre-made cutscene kills.
Miranda had this problem too. Here's an Ubermenschen, or so the game says, but from my angle she seem to go down just as quickly as anyone else.

[JohnnyTheWolf]

Miranda drops her Ice Queen attitude as soon as we leave Lazarus Station, so her role ends up sort of redundant with Jacob as a Paragon Cerberus operative. Therefore, Jacob could have easily been rewritten into a more Renegade character such as Kai Leng. I mean, why not? Both Jacob and Kai Leng served in the Alliance, and ME2 already features plenty of badasses such as a century-old Justicar, an unstoppable biotic freak, a pure Krogan and even a wannabe Spectre as potential squadmates. Kai Leng would have fitted in just fine, I think.

By the way, make no mistake: I'm perfectly fine with ME2 as it is. I'm just wondering about the possibilities, that's all.

Modifié par JohnnyTheWolf, 26 décembre 2011 - 03:26 .

[GodWood]

The correct label is 'Villain Sue'.

[SnakeStrike8]

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

Personally, Miranda drops her Ice Queen attitude as soon as we leave Lazarus Station, so her role ends up sort of redundant with Jacob as a Paragon Cerberus operative. Therefore, Jacob could have easily been rewritten into a more Renegade character such as Kai Leng. I mean, why not? Both Jacob and Kai Leng served in the Alliance, and ME2 already features plenty of badasses such as a century-old Justicar, an unstoppable biotic freak, a pure Krogan and even a wannabe Spectre as potential squadmates.

By the way, make no mistake: I'm perfectly fine with ME2 as it is. I'm just wondering, that's all.

I dunno. Jacob was pretty much the normal guy, and he was an interesting character for me to study.
Were you around during the Dragon Age Origins days? When people would clamour for a 'normal' LI? Someone who wasn't off his rocker, a whiner or in any other way maladjusted?
Jacob seemed like Bioware's directed response to that, and the fans reaction was what I expected: Jacob was seen as bland. Not special. Average.
But this is off-topic. Most of the badassery we see in ME 2 is limited to cutscenes. Samara can't jump down long drops in-game, and she doesn't snap necks. That's cutscene only. Jack slams through three YMIRs right in front of us, but in-game, she can't take on even one without catching a rocket in the face.
Leng would've ended like all of them if he'd been in the game. Maybe the writers knew it, maybe they didn't. Doesn't change the result any.

[JohnnyTheWolf]

@ GodWood

Sounds about right. But if handled adequately, the character could hardly be worse than, say, Saren Arterius?

Modifié par JohnnyTheWolf, 26 décembre 2011 - 03:28 .

[ediskrad327]

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

ediskrad327 wrote...

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

I wonder. Since TIM wanted someone to keep an eye on Shepard so badly, shouldn't Kai Leng have been one of Shepard's squadmates in ME2 instead of, say, Jacob or Miranda?

maybe he thought that an assassin Xenophobe in a ship with a bunch of aliens wasn't such a good idea

True. But then again, you gotta wonder why the leader of a human-centric faction such as Cerberus would want Shepard to recruit aliens in the first place.

he needed them to stop the collectors

Modifié par ediskrad327, 26 décembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[JohnnyTheWolf]

I dunno. Jacob was pretty much the normal guy, and he was an interesting character for me to study.

I agree, the character's well-written: I see him as a non-xenophobic male Ashley Williams.

Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with ME2. But you have to admit both Miranda and Jacob end up being Paragon characters. It could have been interesting to have a more Renegade squadmate - think of Zaeed, but affiliated with Cerberus.

Modifié par JohnnyTheWolf, 26 décembre 2011 - 03:35 .

[C9316]

I'm kinda hoping Kai Leng is the next Saren, minus the fact that I generally feel sorry for saren when he dies.

[SnakeStrike8]

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

I dunno. Jacob was pretty much the normal guy, and he was an interesting character for me to study.

I agree, the character's well-written, and he plays out a lot like a non-xenophobic male Ashley Williams.

Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with ME2. But you have to admit both Miranda and Jacob end up being Paragon characters. It could have been interesting to have a more Renegade squadmate - think of Zaeed, but affiliated with Cerberus.

Fits with the overall ME 2 theme, regardless. ME 1 made Cerberus out to be villain group number six, and totally renegade at that, and ME 2 tried to recast Cerberus into a low paragon role. We never see any of the really renegade Cerberus stuff, and anytime we do (like Pragia) the immediate counter is 'that arm' of Cerberus was rogue.
We weren't involved, Miranda says. We didn't know.
A directly renegade character, one that insists on kidnapping colonists and experimenting on them while on your ship or demands that he be allowed to slice off Veetor's fingers to get the intel you need would have shot that in the foot because it would have vindicated paragon players, who could point at this character and say 'See? Cerberus really is as evil as ME 1 said they were!'

[JohnnyTheWolf]

I think that's precisely what ME2 *lacked*, actually; Cerberus felt too "clean" for an organization that pretty much all non-members call untrustworthy. Besides, if Shepard decides to blow up the Collector base despite TIM's sensible arguments, he ends up calling TIM "completely ruthless", and Miranda will defect from the organization regardless of her loyalty to you. Having a character like Kai Leng as a squadmate could have balanced things out and made the climax feel a bit less contrived.

Modifié par JohnnyTheWolf, 26 décembre 2011 - 03:52 .

[SnakeStrike8]

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

Shepard ends up calling TIM "completely ruthless" anyway, and Miranda will defect from Cerberus no matter what. Having a character like Kai Leng as a squadmate could have made things feel a bit less contrived.

I think the opposite. Miranda was devoted to Cerberus, but the defection was done so that the player could have had the final choice, and wouldn't have to kill Miranda if he took the anti-cerberus option (no spoilers!). If Leng was also a Cerberus devotee, then that puts him in the same position as Miranda. If the palyer makes the anti-Cerberus choice, then he has to kill Leng because the Cerberus devotion in him would demand that he oppose Shepard-Commander.
And there goes an important character from the MEverse, shot through the chest, legs and eyeballs by the Galaxy's saviour...

[JohnnyTheWolf]

Well, BioWare already did something similar with Wrex in ME1. That was actually a pretty neat dilemma, and I don't see why they couldn't have done it again for ME2's climax with either Miranda or Kai Leng.

Modifié par JohnnyTheWolf, 26 décembre 2011 - 03:56 .

[SnakeStrike8]

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

Well, BioWare already did something similar with Wrex in ME1; I don't see why they couldn't have done it again for ME2's climax.

Loss of a major character?
You could still slot Wrex if you so chose. Maybe Bioware didn't want Leng dropped in such an ignomonious manner.