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[Kid Buu]

ME2 had too many pointless characters. Jacob (or MJ, there was no need for both), Grunt, Thane, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Jack, ect.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 27 décembre 2011 - 05:14 .

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Kid Buu wrote...

ME2 had too many pointless characters. Jacob (or MJ, there was no need for both), Grunt, Thane, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Jack, ect.

Everyone but Tali right?

[Kid Buu]

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Kid Buu wrote...

ME2 had too many pointless characters. Jacob (or MJ, there was no need for both), Grunt, Thane, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Jack, ect.

Everyone but Tali right?

Tali filled a niche in the squad and plot relevence.

Jack or (more likely) Samara could have been replaced with Liara
Grunt with Wrex/Wreave
Jacob/MJ with the VS
ect.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 27 décembre 2011 - 05:19 .

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Kid Buu wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

ME2 had too many pointless characters. Jacob (or MJ, there was no need for both), Grunt, Thane, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Jack, ect.

Everyone but Tali right?

Tali filled a niche in the squad and plot relevence.

Jack and mainly Samara could have been replaced with Liara
Grunt with Wrex/Wreave
Jacob/MJ with the VS
ect.

You have to admit that all the diverse characters made the game more interesting though....at least I thought so.

[Kid Buu]

I suppose, but that does not change the fact that a lot were pointless. Plus I thought the ME1 squad was diverse enough.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 27 décembre 2011 - 05:23 .

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Kid Buu wrote...

I suppose, but that does not change the fact that a lot were pointless. Plus I thought the ME1 squad was diverse enough.

True, you do have a point there but I found the new characters to be fun and engaging...... minus a certain few.

[fatalfeline]

ME1's squad size was more manageable (maybe even too small) but I think on average the overall squad in ME2 was much, much more interesting (though having the squad size double makes that inevitable)

Modifié par fatalfeline, 27 décembre 2011 - 05:39 .

[fatalfeline]

ravene wrote...

I enjoyed some from both me1 squad and me2 as to which is better some of the charters were fleshed out a bit more if you romanced them where as some if you dident had verry little to say at all umm calabrations anyone.  

I kind of had that feeling in ME1 with Liara, at least. Besides story-related stuff, I had the distinct impression that I was missing out on A LOT from her by not romancing her.

[Made Nightwing]

I had better connection with my ME1 squad, but the ME2 squad was almost as good, with Tali making a huge improvement in terms of conversation, and showing her character development (which took me a while to appreciate).

To be frank, I'm just looking forward to seeing all of them back, but I'm glad that Ashley's getting a central role.

Modifié par Made Nightwing, 27 décembre 2011 - 11:33 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

The ME2 squad was undoubtedly better than the ME1 squad. Save for Wrex and Ashley, the entire ME1 squad was just downright horrible and vomit inducing. Also, they were about as useful and relevant to the storyline as a credit card is to a bankrupt person.

Especially Tali, who was worse than useless in both games (at least Liara was useful in ME2). Bleargh.

[Someone With Mass]

I think ME2's squad was way too large, which pretty much bit BioWare in the ass when they were building ME3.

Could have easily gotten by with just half of the squad.

ME1's squad was nice. Had a pretty good balance with each character being a representative of their respective classes (Wrex/Vanguard, Tali/Engineer, Kaidan/Sentinel, Ashley/Soldier, Liara/Adept, Garrus/Infiltrator) while ME2 was pretty off in that regard. Too many biotics.

As for the characters themselves, ME2 was better than ME1, but some characters served really no purpose/were redundant, like Thane, Samara and Grunt.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 27 décembre 2011 - 01:00 .

[Meldwyn301]

I actually enjoyed both sets, but in each case, only focused on a select few to take on missions each time. Although I talked to every one of them each time I was on the ship and developed the relationships as far as possible.

The only character that I had no issues killing off each run through was Jack. I won't miss her in ME3 at all.

[VinWizzy]

I like both to be honest but I liked how simple it was to choose who you want on your squad in ME1 since your squad was smaller. The only ones I enjoyed in the first one though was Liara, Garrus, and Wrex. For the second one I liked Mordin, Legion and Miranda (to an extent) as well as how Tali developed greatly than from the first game. Hoping to see how Vega turns out and this new female I'm hearing about it the forums.

[Kid Buu]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

The ME2 squad was undoubtedly better than the ME1 squad. Save for Wrex and Ashley, the entire ME1 squad was just downright horrible and vomit inducing. Also, they were about as useful and relevant to the storyline as a credit card is to a bankrupt person.

Especially Tali, who was worse than useless in both games (at least Liara was useful in ME2). Bleargh.

If you really think Tali was useless in ME1 then you didnt know how to play that game. ME2 maybe but certainly not ME1 in any way, and much of what you said could easily be said about the ME2 squad.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 28 décembre 2011 - 01:40 .

[wildannie]

I did like the ME1 squad well enough but overall I think the ME2 squad was much better. There were no really stand out characters in ME1 for me, there were several in ME2.

[AVPen]

Kid Buu wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

The ME2 squad was undoubtedly better than the ME1 squad. Save for Wrex and Ashley, the entire ME1 squad was just downright horrible and vomit inducing. Also, they were about as useful and relevant to the storyline as a credit card is to a bankrupt person.

Especially Tali, who was worse than useless in both games (at least Liara was useful in ME2). Bleargh.

If you really think Tali was useless in ME1 then you didnt know how to play that game. ME2 maybe but certainly not ME1 in any way, and much of what you said could easily be said about the ME2 squad.

People who think that Tali is useless in ME2 have obviously never gone above the Normal or Veteran difficulty setting <_< her Explosive Drone makes a great exploding distraction and her Bonus power Energy Drain becomes a godsend when nearly all of the enemies have shields equiped (hell, give her a GPS to boot, and she can last longer than either Garrus, Grunt, or Zaeed).

[Ryzaki]

Eh. I play on normal so screw that.

Garrus and Miranda are all I need (and maybe Kasumi).in ME1 my go to squad was Kaidan and Liara. Damned annoying whenever they opened their mouths but hella useful in combat.

Started replacing Liara with Garrus though. Shep got mindraped less.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 décembre 2011 - 03:47 .

[android654]

Kid Buu wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

The ME2 squad was undoubtedly better than the ME1 squad. Save for Wrex and Ashley, the entire ME1 squad was just downright horrible and vomit inducing. Also, they were about as useful and relevant to the storyline as a credit card is to a bankrupt person.

Especially Tali, who was worse than useless in both games (at least Liara was useful in ME2). Bleargh.

If you really think Tali was useless in ME1 then you didnt know how to play that game. ME2 maybe but certainly not ME1 in any way, and much of what you said could easily be said about the ME2 squad.

She didn't have any plot relevance in ME2. We could have easily gone to Freedom's Progressand found a surveilance system instead of Veetor. Her relevance stayed with ME1 and ME1 alone.

The Cast in ME2 was better fleshed out, every interaction was longer, deeper and of a higher caliber than ME1 was able to offer. I mean comparing a campaign that can be finished in 10 hours to one that is literaly twice as long is ridiculous. Mass Effect thus far has progressed well, it is better with each installment. Hopefully ME3 can say the same, but the characters they gave more attention to were handled poorly in the end.

[Kid Buu]

android654 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

The ME2 squad was undoubtedly better than the ME1 squad. Save for Wrex and Ashley, the entire ME1 squad was just downright horrible and vomit inducing. Also, they were about as useful and relevant to the storyline as a credit card is to a bankrupt person.

Especially Tali, who was worse than useless in both games (at least Liara was useful in ME2). Bleargh.

If you really think Tali was useless in ME1 then you didnt know how to play that game. ME2 maybe but certainly not ME1 in any way, and much of what you said could easily be said about the ME2 squad.

She didn't have any plot relevance in ME2. We could have easily gone to Freedom's Progressand found a surveilance system instead of Veetor. Her relevance stayed with ME1 and ME1 alone.

The Cast in ME2 was better fleshed out, every interaction was longer, deeper and of a higher caliber than ME1 was able to offer. I mean comparing a campaign that can be finished in 10 hours to one that is literaly twice as long is ridiculous. Mass Effect thus far has progressed well, it is better with each installment. Hopefully ME3 can say the same, but the characters they gave more attention to were handled poorly in the end.

Going by that logic, Grunt, Thane, Garrus, Samara, Miranda, Jack , Jacob were all useless in ME2. Really only Mordin and Legion were useful. Tali did more than most of them. Her loyalty mission alone had enough plot relevence. But I wasnt even talking about that, I was talking about ME1 squad usefulness. And what characters were handled poorly? Samara? I agree, she was. So was Jack. Incredibly cliché and over the top character.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 28 décembre 2011 - 04:15 .

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Kid Buu wrote...

android654 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

The ME2 squad was undoubtedly better than the ME1 squad. Save for Wrex and Ashley, the entire ME1 squad was just downright horrible and vomit inducing. Also, they were about as useful and relevant to the storyline as a credit card is to a bankrupt person.

Especially Tali, who was worse than useless in both games (at least Liara was useful in ME2). Bleargh.

If you really think Tali was useless in ME1 then you didnt know how to play that game. ME2 maybe but certainly not ME1 in any way, and much of what you said could easily be said about the ME2 squad.

She didn't have any plot relevance in ME2. We could have easily gone to Freedom's Progressand found a surveilance system instead of Veetor. Her relevance stayed with ME1 and ME1 alone.

The Cast in ME2 was better fleshed out, every interaction was longer, deeper and of a higher caliber than ME1 was able to offer. I mean comparing a campaign that can be finished in 10 hours to one that is literaly twice as long is ridiculous. Mass Effect thus far has progressed well, it is better with each installment. Hopefully ME3 can say the same, but the characters they gave more attention to were handled poorly in the end.

Going by that logic, Grunt, Thane, Garrus, Samara, Miranda, Jack , Jacob were all useless in ME2. Really only Mordin and Legion were useful. Tali did more than most of them. Her loyalty mission alone had enough plot relevence. But I wasnt even talking about that, I was talking about ME1 squad usefulness. And what characters were handled poorly? Samara? I agree, she was. So was Jack. Incredibly cliché and over the top character.

Grunt was very useful to me, there wasn't a single mission where he wasn't with. He's a tank.

[AVPen]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

jreezy wrote...

AVPen wrote...

People who think that Tali is useless in ME2 have obviously never gone above the Normal or Veteran difficulty setting <_< her Explosive Drone makes a great exploding distraction and her Bonus power Energy Drain becomes a godsend when nearly all of the enemies have shields equiped (hell, give her a GPS to boot, and she can last longer than either Garrus, Grunt, or Zaeed).

Agreed on all points.

Tali kinda does sucks... Ive played on all difficulties. Mainly on Hardcore and insanity. her only use is distracting enemies with the explosive drone. At least once I give Legion the Widow he's alot better in combat. Tali was no help whatsoever to me. Grunt was my savior. Garrus was okay. Zaeed has some of the best weapon damage.

Hmmm, not sure what you'd be doing wrong then in that account, given that I've played Hardcore dozens of times (and Insanity once for the Achievement) and I've rarely had Tali die in my squad, while Garrus manages to get himself pwned faster than she does even when he's equipped with an Incisor SR. (maybe you're not using her ED power often enough, since that does give her some additional surviability in addition to stripping enemy shields)

On an additional point, Legion with the Widow is less effective on Hardcore and above since you're dealing with additional enemy protections, one shot per clip, and the 40% less damage for squadmates (Incisor works better, since that weapon is an exception to damage reduction for squadmate weapons and has a higher clip, meaning the squadmate fires more often)

EDIT: Thinking about it some more, another factor with Tali's survivability between you and me might be the GPS, since having that equipped allows her to fire her shotgun from farther away and do more damage to enemies than other in-game shotguns.

Modifié par AVPen, 28 décembre 2011 - 05:30 .