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[didymos1120]

Luc0s wrote...

Neither. By the Warp I mean moving through an entire different dimension (or set of dimensions) altogether.
*snip*

See? Hyperspace by any other name...

Modifié par didymos1120, 27 décembre 2011 - 08:14 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

FTL Drive

Faster-than-light drives use element zero cores to reduce the mass of a ship, allowing higher rates of acceleration. This effectively raises the speed of light within the mass effect field, allowing high speed travel with negligible relativistic time dilation effects.

FTL Drive: Appearance

New space travelers ask, "What does it look like outside a ship moving faster-than-light speed?" Part of the answer can be seen in a simple pane of glass. Light travels slower through glass than it does through open air; light also moves slower in conventional space than it does in a high-speed mass effect field. This causes refraction - any light entering at an angle is bent and separated into a spectrum. Objects outside the ship will appear refracted. The greater the difference between the objective (exterior) and subjective (interior) speeds of light, the greater the refraction.

As the subjective speed of light is raised within the field, objects outside will appear to red-shift, eventually becoming visible only to radio telescope antennae. High-energy electromagnetic sources normally hidden to the eye become visible in the high blue spectrum. As the speed of light continues to be raised, x-ray, gamma ray, and eventually cosmic ray sources become visible. Stars will be replaced by pulsars, the accretion discs1 of black holes, quasars, and gamma ray bursts.

To an outside observer, a ship within a mass effect drive envelope appears blue-shifted. If within a field that allows travel at twice the speed of light, any radiation it emits has twice the energy as normal. If the ship is in a field of about 200 times light speed, it radiates visible light as x-rays and gamma rays, and the infrared heat from the hull is blue-shifted up into the visible spectrum or higher.

Ships moving at FTL are visible at great distances, though their signature will only propagate at the speed of light.

Note the bolded bits from these Codex entries. So.... does this mean the "mass effect" works in a similar fashion to Star Trek's warp field? It creates a pocket of space where the speed of light has been artificially increased?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Forget FTL.

http://gadgetsteria....crous-speed.png

[Bleachrude]

It's interesting that ME went with the "FTL in normal space" given how well hard the rest of it is compared to other sci-fi franchises..

I think the only other SF-verse that uses FTL in normal space is Trek...Everyone else has moved on to some version of hyperspace..

[TheWerdna]

Luc0s wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Neither. By the Warp I mean moving through an entire different dimension (or set of dimensions) altogether.
*snip*

See? Hyperspace by any other name...

Yes indeed.

In my opinion, the "hyperspace" concept is a far mor realistic concept than the "mass effect" concept (or any other concept of FTL travel). I think it's far more likely that in the distant future we'll be using the concept of hyperspace or "the Warp" as our means of distant space-travel.

Yes, but Hyperspace is so overdone in Sci-Fi. Credit where credit is due, Bioware did try to come up with a unique explenation for intersteller space travel.

Also,  who is to say that the "mass effect" concept of FTL is impossible under the laws of physics. For all we know our undertsanding of how the universe works is wrong. Heck, I garentee that there will be several thing we are currently dead wrong about. Look how much scientific theory has changed in the past 100, let alone 1000, year. We have come a long way, but I believe we still have a long way to go.

[Bleachrude]

Luc0s wrote...

And warp drives aren't overdone you want to say? "mass effect field" might sound impressive and unique to you, but it's basically almost exactly the same as the "warp drives" used in so many other sci-fi series.

You say credit where credit is due, but I say BioWare doesn't deserve credit for their "unique way of FTL travel", that frankly isn't so unique at all and is been used by much more sci-fi series than the "hyperspace concept".

Actually, that's not true..FTL in normal space is pretty much the purivew of Trek. Hyperspace is the much more common FTL method. I got Trek that uses it, ME of course, but what other series use it? Only one I can think of is the FTL method of the Tarkas from the Sword of the Stars videogame (that setting actually had 4 FTL methods IIRC)

This might be fun....other than Trek and ME, what series use FTL in normal space methods?

[Sarcastic]

Homeworld uses FTL through normal space through the use of a jump drive that deconstructs and reconstructs the ship and everything within at a specified X/Y/Z axis in space.

[Sarcastic]

My biggest issue with the mass effect method of FTL is that it requires "Magic Sauce" in the form of element 0 in order to achieve. However even with that said the game is fun the story is good and beats the hell outa most other games I have played. Star Treks warp could be possible if enough power could be produced.

[Bleachrude]

Palidine_0225 wrote...

Homeworld uses FTL through normal space through the use of a jump drive that deconstructs and reconstructs the ship and everything within at a specified X/Y/Z axis in space.

That sounds like a jumpdrive since the ship is no longer interacting with normal space...I assume it deconstructs the ship at departure point A, and then reconstructs the ship at destination point B however many lightyears away that is..

(p.s. Doesnt homeworld use gates and hyperspace..been a while since I played it, but could sworn it used gates a la Babylon5)

[AgitatedLemon]

cheezanator48 wrote...

Doesn't Mass Effect have a form of hyperspace, in that it creates a mass-less pocket of space between two mass relays?

I thought it was the Normandy that did this, or at least did something somewhat similar. I don't remember the name.

[Bleachrude]

Luc0s wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Actually, that's not true..FTL in normal space is pretty much the purivew of Trek. Hyperspace is the much more common FTL method. I got Trek that uses it, ME of course, but what other series use it? Only one I can think of is the FTL method of the Tarkas from the Sword of the Stars videogame (that setting actually had 4 FTL methods IIRC)

This might be fun....other than Trek and ME, what series use FTL in normal space methods?

Oh, lots of series use FTL in normal space. The only thing that makes Star Trek unique is that in Star Trek they don't have any means of "jumping" between star systems. They do everything by FTL with their warp drives. But that doesn't mean Star Trek is the only series with normal-space FTL. Lots of series have normal-space FTL next to their "jumpgates" or "hyperspace".

Mass Effect actually falls within this category as well, since Mass Effect also uses "jumpgates" (Mass Relays) to travel between systems and FTL is only used as a means of travel within the same system or cluster. Lots of series have this. To name a few: StarCraft, Star Wars,  and Starship Troopers.

Star Wars uses hyperspace and that explicitly doesn't use normal space.
Similarly, Starcraft uses hyperspace (they just call it warpspace a la WHO40K)
Starship troopers may be but in the novels, heinlein doesn't actually talk about either HOW or WHAT the FTL drive system does...

[brainless78]

On an other subject, did anyone notice one big FAIL (among others) in basic physics in the codex entry for mass effect? It mentions negative current and positive current going through eezo to increase or decrease the mass. Unless eezo is bipolar, which is absurd, this is complete nonsense... Strictly speaking physically there is no such thing as negative or positive current. Only electrons moving one way or an other...



Meh, trying to make sense of sci-fi physics...

Modifié par brainless78, 27 décembre 2011 - 10:22 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Bleachrude wrote...
Actually, that's not true..FTL in normal space is pretty much the purivew of Trek. Hyperspace is the much more common FTL method. I got Trek that uses it, ME of course, but what other series use it? Only one I can think of is the FTL method of the Tarkas from the Sword of the Stars videogame (that setting actually had 4 FTL methods IIRC)

6 methods actually. If you count in the Zuul and Morrigi.

Altough technily the Humans and Zuul use the same basic principle, but use it differently.
And the hivers don't really have a FTL drives. They slowboat to a system and setup teleport gates. Don't think that counts.

Hm...so I guess it is 4.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Bleachrude wrote...
Star Wars uses hyperspace and that explicitly doesn't use normal space.
Similarly, Starcraft uses hyperspace (they just call it warpspace a la WHO40K)
Starship troopers may be but in the novels, heinlein doesn't actually talk about either HOW or WHAT the FTL drive system does...

Wasn't Star Wars retconned? IIRC, they use to "jump to lightspeed".

Also, Starcraft is a giant 40K ripoff. Except it's no where near as cool.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 27 décembre 2011 - 10:40 .

[Armass81]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...
Star Wars uses hyperspace and that explicitly doesn't use normal space.
Similarly, Starcraft uses hyperspace (they just call it warpspace a la WHO40K)
Starship troopers may be but in the novels, heinlein doesn't actually talk about either HOW or WHAT the FTL drive system does...

Wasn't Star Wars retconned? IIRC, they use to "jump to lightspeed".

Also, Starcraft is a giant 40K ripoff. Except it's no where near as cool.

In SW "Lightspeed" is a slang word for going to hyperspace. Yeah i know, but as explanation it kinda works.

[LOLandStuff]

So fast, the stars turn into lines.

[StarcloudSWG]

Mass Effect FTL fields do warp space, but not in the same manner that Star Trek ships do. Star Trek "warp drives" create a gravitational field for the ship to "fall" into.

Mass Effect drives create a field where mass is reduced, allowing conventional ion drives to push the ship much, much faster.

[Bleachrude]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...
Star Wars uses hyperspace and that explicitly doesn't use normal space.
Similarly, Starcraft uses hyperspace (they just call it warpspace a la WHO40K)
Starship troopers may be but in the novels, heinlein doesn't actually talk about either HOW or WHAT the FTL drive system does...

Wasn't Star Wars retconned? IIRC, they use to "jump to lightspeed".

Also, Starcraft is a giant 40K ripoff. Except it's no where near as cool.

Which retcon...Seriously, Lucas rewrites the canon at a whim these days...

Anyway, SW uses hyperspace lanes to be precise..closest equivalent is actually Andromeda or the Human method of FTL in Sword of the stars (and people think DA2 was a diappointment? I bought SotS2 on pre-order) in that both don't allow for "exit anywhere" --you might have to hyper past a destination, then jump to another lane to get back to where you actually want to go.

As for SC, yeah, that like Warcraft seems to take heavy influence from Games Workshop's products..personally it's GW own fault since the story goes that Blizzard wanted to use their IP but GW were very unreasonable