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[MichaelFinnegan]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

What do you guys think about this?

On one hand I think being a Grey Warden can be considered an honor and they can be much much more than just fighters of the Darkspawn (listen to what Wynne says.)

On the other hand though you have to realize how serious of a threat the Darkspawn are and there are big downsides to becoming a Grey Warden.

I think it's a bit of both. Really depends on the person and how he/she ended up a Grey Warden and with what intentions. Daverth seemed aware of the risks, but Jory seemed as if he'd entirely missed the point.

The Grey Wardens are actually a parallel to the Night's Watch, a group of people in the ASOIAF series.

In Westoros (the world in ASOIAF) if you do something horrible like what Loghain did (in fact you can do much, much worse than what Loghain did and still get the same choice) you get the choice to join the Night's Watch instead of get executed. And the Night's Watch go to the Wall where they protect Westoros from the Wildlings, the Others and the other threats from the North (similar to with the Darkspawn and the Deep Roads.)

It is an interesting comparsion. Somehow this reminds me more about the Legion of the Dead than about the Grey Wardens. The Grey Wardens specialize as killers of Archdemons more as the killers of darkspawn; whereas the Legion is composed of nearly anyone who is willing to hold a sword and constantly engage in battle with the darkspawn.

Also it should be noted that the Grey Wardens are similar in another way too.

The Night's Watch and the Grey Wardens are similar in the fact that they are both lacking in numbers (Ferelden's Grey Warden number was the lowest in Thedas) and people have started forgetting about them and not caring aobut them (since their hasn't been a blight in Thedas for such a long time. People like Loghain dislike the Wardens and don't understand the threat of the Darkspawn.)

To be fair though, I'm not sure how large a number the Grey Wardens ought to be to combat the blight. Surely the numbers would help, but the fact of the matter is that only one has to remain standing to deal the death blow to the Archdemon.

At least how I look at it is that the Grey Wardens give the armies of men the hope they require to end the blight because, without a way to kill the Archdemon, fighting the blight would be a lost cause. Other than that, the Grey Wardens are probably just a bunch of exceptional warriors, an elite unit, and their numbers would always be scarce, because of the quality of the people required to fill their ranks would always be hard to come by.

Also as you guys probably remember, Jory was killed by Duncan at the start of DA:O, again, becoming a Grey Warden is kind of a death sentence. Alistair was an exception for this (when he leaves the Grey Wardens)

And as for Anders I'm not really sure how he got out of the Grey Wardens, but I do know that if he died in Awakening he says this was so he could escape the Templars and the Grey Wardens (he says this to Nathaniel and Hawke I think.)

So those are just my thoughts on it...I think Alistair and Wynne's idea of the Grey Wardens is noble but if you've read the ASOIAF book series then you'll agree with my views instead.

Its always frustrating when reading those books when people completely disregard and disrespect the Night's Watch.

True, but we ought to remember that the darkspawn really only become an unmanageable threat when the Archdemon has taken command. The trick is to realize when the darkspawn have resurrected the archdemon - a threat the Thedans easly seem to be complacent about.

If there were a group of murderers and rapists from Ferelden who all agreed to take the Grey Warden oaths and ritual and they were all good fighters with strong minds would you bar them from joining? Especially if there is a current Darkspawn invasion...like with Loghain's situation.

That is somewhat of a choice between a rock and a hard place. Let us imagine a situation where the blight is in full force and nobody capable enough to fill the Grey Warden numbers. I'd imagine the blight is a much more of a clear and present threat than a group of murders who've joined the Grey Wardens. Unless that group somehow steps beyond its stated purpose and starts getting the power of influence over people; now that would be setting up a dangerous precedent. I guess we'd be doing overselves a disfavor if we start merely looking at how exceptional a fighting unit the Grey Wardens are, thereby forgetting to what end they came about in the first place.

At the moment I don't seem to recall any Grey Warden being expelled from the order because of bad behavior or some breach of the oath. Are there any instances of this?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

During a blight, being a Grey Warden is a great honor (though a potentially devastating sacrifice).  Other times... I suppose it's not that fun, especially with the dreams, the sterility, the shortened lifespan, and a populace that believes they don't need you anymore.

[Dave of Canada]

Depends who you ask, what context and if they're a Warden themselves.

[Sajuro]

I always thought it was both an honor and a sacrifice, you were the one person who could save Thedas but it would cost you your life in the end.

[WhiteKnyght]

nightscrawl wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

It's a calling. Nothing more.

In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. in death, sacrifice.

Oh please. Yes, my dwarf noble suddenly felt the calling after she was banished into the deep roads for killing (or being framed for killing) her brother. Or that my dwarf commoner felt the calling when deciding between exile, death, or possibly the best out of the three with the Wardens, for competing in the proving...

Human noble: Duncan gives you the opportunity for revenge against Howe.
City elf: you're about to be arrested when Duncan steps in.
Dalish elf: you have contracted the taint from the mirror and Duncan suggests that you join the Wardens to live.
Mage: you go with Duncan to escape punishment and Greagoir's wrath for helping Jowan to escape.

I can understand how someone might RP getting into the Warden's mission throughout the game itself, but there is certainly nothing in any of the origins to indicate that your character felt any sort of calling. And taking RP out of the situation altogether, there are examples of people who joined for similar reasons (ie to save their hides), Duncan and Anders being the most prominent example of this.

Grey Wardens are opportunistic when recruiting, but that doesn't make it any less of a calling. A calling isn't always something you realize when you sign up.

Look at the Warden, outside of the player's control, he/she takes his/her duty seriously. The Warden could have easily just left and let Alistair face the Blight alone. And when you go into the Fade in Broken Circle, the Warden dreams of Duncan and Weisshaupt Fortress. And since the dreams reflect peoples desires or pasts, it's obvious that the Warden likes his job.

Also contrary to what he said in DAII, Anders liked being a Warden in Awakening. His so called hating of them was because they kicked him out for being an abomination. They were never going to drag him back. Anders just lies a lot in DAII.

Also Duncan grew to like being one as well.

Also Carver Hawke didn't like being a Warden at first. But by the end of DAII he realizes that being a Warden is his life's calling.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:04 .

[nos_astra]

The Grey Wardens are actually a parallel to the Night's Watch, a group of people in the ASOIAF series.

In Westoros (the world in ASOIAF) if you do something horrible like what Loghain did (in fact you can do much, much worse than what Loghain did and still get the same choice) you get the choice to join the Night's Watch instead of get executed. And the Night's Watch go to the Wall where they protect Westoros from the Wildlings, the Others and the other threats from the North (similar to with the Darkspawn and the Deep Roads.)

There is a clear difference between the Night's Watch and the Grey Wardens. The Night's Watch is confined to three(?) castles at the northern border. They don't mingle with the common folk. Their job is to safeguard the border, leave your post and lose the head.

The Grey Wardens have very little purpose outside of a Blight. Unless they raid the Deep Roads on a tight schedule (and we don't know if they do) there is little to do for them other than the occasional darkspawn raid (rare enough that people believe the darkspawn extinct before the 5th Blight). They are free to up and leave without repercussions (Alistair, Anders). They can have wives (Kristoff) who obviously live nearby. They even do hold titles by the end of DAO (the Warden, Alistair). If there are stricter rules (Jory, Nathaniel's grandfather) they are applied arbitrarily.

They may be allowed to recruit whomever they want but that doesn't mean it's practical to do so, not when there is little to no leverage on their recruits. How do they even keep the Joining a secret?

Modifié par klarabella, 01 janvier 2012 - 10:10 .

[dragonflight288]

I'm pretty sure the Joining is actually the worst kept secret of the Order. Anora knew about the deadliness of the Joining, even if she isn't aware of all the details that come with it (darkspawn blood and taking in the taint.)

Were I a Commander of the Grey, I would definitely keep the Chantry from learning about the blood ritual to becoming a Warden, but I couldn't possibly keep the deadly nature of the Wardens secret from the nobility whose taxes keep the order going. I hire three recruits and one leaves the temple, it doesn't take a genius to figure out something happened.

I believe the Joining's blood magic ties are the real secret and that Wardens are actually high-functioning ghouls. If everyone knew that, no one would want to join and conscription would be even more difficult.

[gaurdian9sunshine]

 After you collect the darkspawn blood, you go back to Duncan and he says "We pay a heavy price to become what we are. Fate may decree that you pay your price here," and after your warden says the Joining could kill us and he says "if such secrecy was unnecessary, that all would understand the sacrifice." There is a high price to pay when someone becomes a warden. Carver says it well when he says "I'm walking dead already, thanks." I think it is both.