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[shepskisaac]

lol Cthulhu42 first time a pony joke actually cracked me up xD

[Ticktank]

EDIT: No name calling! 

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 30 décembre 2011 - 05:47 .

[naledgeborn]

LOL at what this whole thread is becoming... I don't even

[Ticktank]

I really love BSN for all the randomness it brings.

[shepskisaac]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Joker is as real as the nude anime characters (that look underaged I might add) on your DA account, Mr. Ticktank.

flawless response!

[Ticktank]

AH MAH GAWD I draw NOOODE stuff that *looks* underage to someone's mind I'm INSULTED AND ASHAMED Imma go hide now. And the guys/girls saying that are into gay sex!

LOL only relics like you guys can actually equate that to an insult.

(Anyway guys drop by on DA and post a comment if you like. Even if its trolling. )

[shepskisaac]

Ticktank wrote...
LOL only relics like you guys can actually equate that to an insult.

Nobody talked about any 'insult' lol, you're so overdramatic

[Ticktank]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Ticktank wrote...
But of course! All in good fun mom

(Wow amazing logic you have there. Drawing something = thinking that something is real. Only different is I don't 'romance' or fantasize the things I see on media. Unlike you).

BOOM BOOM BOOM! Housewives raging!

So you draw nude art of robotic mermaids flashing Mega Man and do not fantasize about it in the least. Mmm-hmmm. I think I know now why you are defending EDI so.

Your logic is simply amazing. Drawing stuff means fantasizing about them. Sigh lady you're supposed to be older than me.

There's actually more stuff but its too dirty for DA. Not just for Megaman. They don't allow fluids and digital penetration etc, but there are TONS (pardon the pun) of DA accounts with 'artistic' photography of nude obese women. I think you know what I'm talking about.

I think you know very very well.

Don't squish me.

Modifié par Ticktank, 29 décembre 2011 - 03:51 .

[Vanguardforwin]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Ticktank wrote...

You hear that? Is it an earthquake? No..its the legion of OBESE housewives aka Joker fans making their way here to 'rationalize' why its such a bad idea. Go for the legs boy, they can't get up after falling down.

OMG look at that another tree just fell.

Just tell me why it's a "better" idea than him actually being a real person (Shep or another crew member), and I'll consider your argument. I'll even have a civil one for you.

But because you decided to call me and others obese (the military has weight standards, you know...oh wait, that means I'm not a housewife, either! I'm actually a pilot. <_<) and not take sarcastic banter for what it is, how about I just report you and save the discussion for another time?

Let's try to save this thread. Joker doesn't have a personality befitting of Shepard. Every person Shepard can romance idolize him. Joker never does, their relationship was builf off of the logic that they are friends. Joker isn't supposed to be close to Shepard because it would chanage his character, insteadd of snide comments during and after missions Joker would get majorely affected because he never gets close to people. The reason it works with Edi is because it's his ship that comes to life, and she's always there for him, he has to protect her and that's what he wants not the other way around. Joker is very prideful so he wants to be able to protect otherrs but he can't because of his vrolicks syndrome so e often gives up, but Edi is the ship which he controls, so he can save her.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Vanguardforwin wrote...

Let's try to save this thread. Joker doesn't have a personality befitting of Shepard. Every person Shepard can romance idolize him. Joker never does, their relationship was builf off of the logic that they are friends. Joker isn't supposed to be close to Shepard because it would chanage his character, insteadd of snide comments during and after missions Joker would get majorely affected because he never gets close to people. The reason it works with Edi is because it's his ship that comes to life, and she's always there for him, he has to protect her and that's what he wants not the other way around. Joker is very prideful so he wants to be able to protect otherrs but he can't because of his vrolicks syndrome so e often gives up, but Edi is the ship which he controls, so he can save her.

Thanks for posting a thoughtful reply, Vanguard. I actually like to talk to EDI fans, and I regret your topic has started to degenerate into a mud-slinging contest.

That said, I must say I disagree. We really don't know much about Joker strictly from what we know in-game. However, it goes without saying that he respects Shepard immensely: he wouldn't have switched his allegiance to Cerberus otherwise. He and Shepard are also good friends - they reminisce about the "old days" of chasing down Saren, and have mutual trust. These two things - respect and trust - are the foundation of any good relationship. Granted, you could argue he has the same with EDI, but he has known Shepard for longer, and Shepard is someone he has been able to interact with in any environment...not just on the ship.

As for EDI, she is an artificial intelligence...comprised solely of simulated emotions and reactions. She was never meant to operate as an autonomous being like some other sci-fi characters like Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation, or the Doctor of Star Trek: Voyager. In a lot of ways, she is similar to the Doctor, but she wasn't programmed to be anyone's companion, or even to be in an autonomous form. Myself and other Joker/Shepard shippers believe that she's also not mature enough a personality (really, she's only a year old in terms of experience by the events of ME3), so she's not ready for such a relationship. Joker also refers to her as "mom" on several occasions, and I don't think that's a good thing for a relationship if someone reminds a guy of their mother. But maybe that's just me.

Also, it sends a bit of an insensitive message when you pair the disabled guy with a robot...it also seems to imply that people who withdraw from most situations emotionally can only handle relationships with their computers and not with human beings. Like that creepy guy who never talks to anyone, but only sits on his computer all day.

Joker is a snarky character, and that's definitely a sign that he'd rather push people away than let them in. However, myself and others believe this is actually a good thing for a potential Shepard/Joker relationship: Joker wouldn't readily admit to having feelings for Shepard because it's not in his nature, nor would he make any moves on him/her if he didn't feel like he'd have a 100% chance of success. He'd be afraid of rejection, and even more so because of his condition. He's probably been rejected his whole life, and not just in the romance department - by people in general telling him he's not good enough to fly, not good enough to do what he wants, or even by doctors saying he'd never walk.

There is tons of potential there for a Joker/Shepard relationship. And, for the record, I'm not completely against a Joker/EDI pairing, I'd just want first dibs for Shep.

However, I don't really like the idea of pairing with the ship. I'm a pilot myself...I love my plane. I won't lie about that, it's my baby. However, if it got a body and became sentient, that doesn't mean I'd want to sleep with it, even if it was hot.

Final point: if EDI gets this new body we're hearing about, and by what we've seen, she's blonde, in a way that makes me fear a carbon copy of Number Six from Battlestar Galactica, it'll make him look like Gaius Baltar. To me, at least...but I'm sure I won't be the only one to draw that parallel.

[Someone With Mass]

CDR, that was a really good reading, but I think I should point out that EDI is three years old as of ME3.

[CDRSkyShepard]

ME3 takes place in 2188? Three years after ME2?

[Someone With Mass]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ME3 takes place in 2188? Three years after ME2?

Nah, EDI was just in development before the battle with Sovereign.

They decided to cram in the Reaper tech in the middle of the production.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ME3 takes place in 2188? Three years after ME2?

Nah, EDI was just in development before the battle with Sovereign.

They decided to cram in the Reaper tech in the middle of the production.

I see what you're getting at. Though, I'd think that her date of "birth" would be her date of activation...which would probably be shortly before Shepard's awakening - give or take a few months.

Still, whether it's 1 or 3, she still probably has a lot to learn about being "alive," artificially or otherwise.

[Someone With Mass]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

I see what you're getting at. Though, I'd think that her date of "birth" would be her date of activation...which would probably be shortly before Shepard's awakening - give or take a few months.

Still, whether it's 1 or 3, she still probably has a lot to learn about being "alive," artificially or otherwise.

That's very true.

Though, I'd imagine that having full access to the ship is helping things a bit.

As for their little potential romance/friendship/whatever you want to call it, I'm pretty optimistic. I won't judge it based on morals or anything like that, but rather on how it's done, and I think things are looking pretty well for them.

That said, I am glad that they put in an option to tell EDI to keep it strictly professional, because I know that not everyone will exactly welcome it open arms.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

That's very true.

Though, I'd imagine that having full access to the ship is helping things a bit.

As for their little potential romance/friendship/whatever you want to call it, I'm pretty optimistic. I won't judge it based on morals or anything like that, but rather on how it's done, and I think things are looking pretty well for them.

That said, I am glad that they put in an option to tell EDI to keep it strictly professional, because I know that not everyone will exactly welcome it open arms.

There are actually two options to tell Joker to not pursue it. I particularly agree with the neutral option.

I just think it would be very short-sighted of BioWare to just include an EDI romance for Joker. There has been an outpouring of support for him to be an option for Shepard. (The "rejection line" in the spoilers is also very uncharacteristic and out of character for Joker, I wasn't pleased...pffft. When did regs ever slow Joker down?) I hope it will be something like the Fenris-mance in DA2 if you don't romance him. I'd be totally cool with that.

[Vanguardforwin]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Vanguardforwin wrote...

Let's try to save this thread. Joker doesn't have a personality befitting of Shepard. Every person Shepard can romance idolize him. Joker never does, their relationship was builf off of the logic that they are friends. Joker isn't supposed to be close to Shepard because it would chanage his character, insteadd of snide comments during and after missions Joker would get majorely affected because he never gets close to people. The reason it works with Edi is because it's his ship that comes to life, and she's always there for him, he has to protect her and that's what he wants not the other way around. Joker is very prideful so he wants to be able to protect otherrs but he can't because of his vrolicks syndrome so e often gives up, but Edi is the ship which he controls, so he can save her.

Thanks for posting a thoughtful reply, Vanguard. I actually like to talk to EDI fans, and I regret your topic has started to degenerate into a mud-slinging contest.

That said, I must say I disagree. We really don't know much about Joker strictly from what we know in-game. However, it goes without saying that he respects Shepard immensely: he wouldn't have switched his allegiance to Cerberus otherwise. He and Shepard are also good friends - they reminisce about the "old days" of chasing down Saren, and have mutual trust. These two things - respect and trust - are the foundation of any good relationship. Granted, you could argue he has the same with EDI, but he has known Shepard for longer, and Shepard is someone he has been able to interact with in any environment...not just on the ship.

As for EDI, she is an artificial intelligence...comprised solely of simulated emotions and reactions. She was never meant to operate as an autonomous being like some other sci-fi characters like Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation, or the Doctor of Star Trek: Voyager. In a lot of ways, she is similar to the Doctor, but she wasn't programmed to be anyone's companion, or even to be in an autonomous form. Myself and other Joker/Shepard shippers believe that she's also not mature enough a personality (really, she's only a year old in terms of experience by the events of ME3), so she's not ready for such a relationship. Joker also refers to her as "mom" on several occasions, and I don't think that's a good thing for a relationship if someone reminds a guy of their mother. But maybe that's just me.

Also, it sends a bit of an insensitive message when you pair the disabled guy with a robot...it also seems to imply that people who withdraw from most situations emotionally can only handle relationships with their computers and not with human beings. Like that creepy guy who never talks to anyone, but only sits on his computer all day.

Joker is a snarky character, and that's definitely a sign that he'd rather push people away than let them in. However, myself and others believe this is actually a good thing for a potential Shepard/Joker relationship: Joker wouldn't readily admit to having feelings for Shepard because it's not in his nature, nor would he make any moves on him/her if he didn't feel like he'd have a 100% chance of success. He'd be afraid of rejection, and even more so because of his condition. He's probably been rejected his whole life, and not just in the romance department - by people in general telling him he's not good enough to fly, not good enough to do what he wants, or even by doctors saying he'd never walk.

There is tons of potential there for a Joker/Shepard relationship. And, for the record, I'm not completely against a Joker/EDI pairing, I'd just want first dibs for Shep.

However, I don't really like the idea of pairing with the ship. I'm a pilot myself...I love my plane. I won't lie about that, it's my baby. However, if it got a body and became sentient, that doesn't mean I'd want to sleep with it, even if it was hot.

Final point: if EDI gets this new body we're hearing about, and by what we've seen, she's blonde, in a way that makes me fear a carbon copy of Number Six from Battlestar Galactica, it'll make him look like Gaius Baltar. To me, at least...but I'm sure I won't be the only one to draw that parallel.

Joker doesn't join Cerberus for Shepard it's so he can fly again. He says that right off the bat. I also think Edi could develop into having her own feelings, she is everywhere after all. That means that she sees everyone and can notice thier reactions to situations. AKA: How to live and be a human. Now I'm not saying Joker has to love her back, but her loving Him was too setup for it not to happy but it's a scifi motif that Bioware would not throw away.  

I'm not against romancing Joker as Shep, but compared to other characters he doesn't have what Shep likes. (although Neither did Kelly besides being the secretary AKA: Fantasy of most males) I think Joker would really want to be able to defend whoever he loves and I just feel that you have a better shot at that with EDI. 

As far as the whole Mother-son relationship, he often says it in a joking way. If we took everything Joker said seriously he'd have medals and would have broken his arm at the collectors when they invaded the ship. Joker doesn't neccesarily have to love EDI but EDI has to love Joker soley because of how Bioware wrote ME2. 

[CDRSkyShepard]

Vanguardforwin wrote...


Joker doesn't join Cerberus for Shepard it's so he can fly again. He says that right off the bat. I also think Edi could develop into having her own feelings, she is everywhere after all. That means that she sees everyone and can notice thier reactions to situations. AKA: How to live and be a human. Now I'm not saying Joker has to love her back, but her loving Him was too setup for it not to happy but it's a scifi motif that Bioware would not throw away.  

I'm not against romancing Joker as Shep, but compared to other characters he doesn't have what Shep likes. (although Neither did Kelly besides being the secretary AKA: Fantasy of most males) I think Joker would really want to be able to defend whoever he loves and I just feel that you have a better shot at that with EDI. 

As far as the whole Mother-son relationship, he often says it in a joking way. If we took everything Joker said seriously he'd have medals and would have broken his arm at the collectors when they invaded the ship. Joker doesn't neccesarily have to love EDI but EDI has to love Joker soley because of how Bioware wrote ME2. 

I don't think Joker is bought off by Cerberus that easy. He didn't know about the Normandy until the day before Shepard woke up. He must have been a member of the Lazarus Cell long before that because of his treatments, which I'm sure were another perk. That said, I don't think he had any guarantees that he'd fly again from Cerberus. He says in ME2 to Shepard, "I don't trust anyone who makes more than I do. But they aren't all bad: saved your life, let me fly..." Notice he said that they saved Shep's life first: Joker obviously isn't in it just for the flying. If he cared about you, he wouldn't outright tell you, that's just not in his nature. He also says while you're on the Normandy, "We were your team, Commander." He seems very grumpy about the team getting split up and the fact that the Council and Alliance had their heads up their butts about the Reapers, basically snuffing everything you worked for. Plus, how could he not trust you completely after you saved him from the destruction of the SR1?

I don't think EDI has to solely love Joker, either. She wasn't programmed to, for one. Sure, she could probably learn how to simulate the action...but would you want someone to only simulate their love for you? Watch "In Theory," an episode from Star Trek: The Next Generation...it pretty much explains my entire point as far as this goes.

Besides, your first boyfriend never becomes your soul mate, 99 times out of 100. I don't want Joker having his heart broken by the ship's computer...that would be...sad.

Don't get me wrong, I can see it happening, but it seems very, very far-fetched, even in the realm of science fiction. No artificial life form has been able to hold down a steady relationship, because they just weren't built for it. (At least what I've seen...which is a lot, but not everything) It also is a very polarizing topic, I'm surprised BioWare even decided to touch it with something shorter than a 10 foot pole...so many people absolutely hate the idea that it could happen, persuasion one way or the other be damned. I am not one of those people, but I do think that Joker deserves better than an artificial gal with artificial emotions (no, just because they seem real doesn't mean they are real...EDI doesn't have a limbic system).

But, I also realize that some people may want it, so if it's there, great. More power to you. I just will be incredibly disappointed if BioWare undercut a whole, dedicated fanbase who have been shipping Joker/Shepard since 2007 - before EDI as a character was created - in favor of a smaller, less vocal fanbase that thinks it would be "cute."

Edit: Because I don't add in letters properly when I'm tired... XD

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 29 décembre 2011 - 06:04 .

[Vanguardforwin]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Vanguardforwin wrote...


Joker doesn't join Cerberus for Shepard it's so he can fly again. He says that right off the bat. I also think Edi could develop into having her own feelings, she is everywhere after all. That means that she sees everyone and can notice thier reactions to situations. AKA: How to live and be a human. Now I'm not saying Joker has to love her back, but her loving Him was too setup for it not to happy but it's a scifi motif that Bioware would not throw away.  

I'm not against romancing Joker as Shep, but compared to other characters he doesn't have what Shep likes. (although Neither did Kelly besides being the secretary AKA: Fantasy of most males) I think Joker would really want to be able to defend whoever he loves and I just feel that you have a better shot at that with EDI. 

As far as the whole Mother-son relationship, he often says it in a joking way. If we took everything Joker said seriously he'd have medals and would have broken his arm at the collectors when they invaded the ship. Joker doesn't neccesarily have to love EDI but EDI has to love Joker soley because of how Bioware wrote ME2. 

I don't think oker is bought off by Cerberus that easy. He didn't know about the Normandy until the day before Shepard woke up. He must have been a member of the Lazarus Cell long before that because of his treatments, which I'm sure were another perk. That said, I don't think he had any guarantees that he'd fly again from Cerberus. He says in ME2 to Shepard, "I don't trust anyone who makes more than I do. But they aren't all bad: saved your life, let me fly..." Notice he said that they saved Shep's life first: Joker obviously isn't in it just for the flying. If he cared about you, he wouldn't outright tell you, that's just not in his nature. He also says while you're on the Normandy, "We were your team, Commander." He seems very grumpy about the team getting split up and the fact that the Council and Alliance had their heads up their butts about the Reapers, basically snuffing everything you worked for. Plus, how could he not trust you completely after you saved him from the destruction of the SR1?

I don't think EDI has to solely love Joker, either. She wasn't programmed to, for one. Sure, she could probably learn how to simulate the action...but would you want someone to only simulate their love for you? Watch "In Theory," an episode from Star Trek: The Next Generation...it pretty much explains my entire point as far as this goes.

Besides, your first boyfriend never becomes your soul mate, 99 times out of 100. I don't want Joker having his heart broken by the ship's computer...that would be...sad.

Don't get me wrong, I can see it happening, but it seems very, very far-fetched, even in the realm of science fiction. No artificial life form has been able to hold down a steady relationship, because they just weren't built for it. (At least what I've seen...which is a lot, but not everything) It also is a very polarizing topic, I'm surprised BioWare even decided to touch it with something shorter than a 10 foot pole...so many people absolutely hate the idea that it could happen, persuasion one way or the other be damned. I am not one of those people, but I do think that Joker deserves better than an artificial gal with artificial emotions (no, just because they seem real doesn't mean they are real...EDI doesn't have a limbic system).

But, I also realize that some people may want it, so if it's there, great. More power to you. I just will be incredibly disappointed if BioWare undercut a whole, dedicated fanbase who have been shipping Joker/Shepard since 2007 - before EDI as a character was created - in favor of a smaller, less vocal fanbase that thinks it would be "cute."

I can understand that, I think Edi is a good back-up if one decides not to romance Joker. The Edi Joker thing would be funny, but you're right it wouldn't work. Yet it would be interesting for Bioware to do that, it's an infamous scifi concept and it could work until Joker realizes it won't, therefore bettering him yada yada. Cliche but a nice side story. that's What I'm looking forward to.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Vanguardforwin wrote...


I can understand that, I think Edi is a good back-up if one decides not to romance Joker. The Edi Joker thing would be funny, but you're right it wouldn't work. Yet it would be interesting for Bioware to do that, it's an infamous scifi concept and it could work until Joker realizes it won't, therefore bettering him yada yada. Cliche but a nice side story. that's What I'm looking forward to.

I can roll with that.

[SgtPepper667]

Just now remembered this, and I thought I'd share it for those interested.

EDI says during their banter at one point that she taunts Joker because his performance improves when she does so. I could see how this could potentially develop into a "romance", but I personally find it unlikely. She is mainly concerned with the performance of Normandy, and Joker being the helmsman, he'd have to always be at his best.

Hell, it's even brought up that Joker is flirting with EDI. After the Collectors board the Normandy, Joker starts calling EDI "she". Here's the conversation:
(when EDI mentions Joker could have stress fractures)
Joker: That's what pills are for, EDI. She's so my mom.
Shepard (if a certain option is chosen): I noticed you're calling EDI "her" and "she" now.
Joker: Huh, no, hadn't really noticed that. EDI should I have noticed that?
EDI: No, Jeff, it is not worth noting.
Joker: Well there you go, Shepard it looks like we haven't noticed anything.
Shepard (if a certain option is chosen): I think you're taking the human-machine interface a little far.
Joker: I'm just having a little fun with you, Commander. No need to go all "Unnatural" on me.
EDI: What Jeff and I are exhibiting is more platonic symbiosis than hormonally induced courtship behavior.
Joker: Okay, yeah that was a little creepy.

Now, I'm not here to say "Oooh, Joker and EDI are NEVER going to get together." That was one series of options in that conversation, but what I'm trying to point out is that the action of Joker and EDI "falling in love" is extremely unlikely. Not impossible, just unlikely. Besides, after that conversation if Joker "fell" for EDI, it would make him seem pretty desperate, like he was settling for the AI.

Here's the link to the YouTube video, just in case you want to see it:

Modifié par SgtPepper667, 29 décembre 2011 - 06:36 .