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[Kid Buu]

Seboist wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Seboist wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Liara's a nutcase. And I don't think her coming across like that was intentional. Or maybe I just don't like clingy, obsessive women. I'm thinking both.

She's a cancerous tumor that won't go away. They have us go through all that trouble ot make her the SB only to shoehorn her into becoming a squadmate in ME3 regardless making the whole thing pointless.

How so?

You know that fancy SB ship that Shep captured? Well, it was made irrelevant....

You still have access to all the info the ship would aquire, would you not?

Modifié par Kid Buu, 30 décembre 2011 - 01:03 .

[android654]

@jlb524

Only Jack's portion and the initial opening tutorial level. Did they explain why she's no longer the Shadow Broker?

[Seboist]

android654 wrote...

You know, that's a really good point. They made a lot of fuss about LOTSB like it was ME2.1, yet she's a squadmate in ME3? What was the point of that huge DLC then? They should done it as Ash/Kaidan's Spectre test mission or remove her from the ME3 permanent squad roster, to maintain some coherence with the story line.

BW is just making **** up as they go along without any regard with what they established beforehand. They made the Cerberus controlled Geth plot buildup in Overlord pointless as well the Batarian one from Arrival(which is now just an excuse to start Shep on Earth in ME3).

[Kid Buu]

Seboist wrote...

android654 wrote...

You know, that's a really good point. They made a lot of fuss about LOTSB like it was ME2.1, yet she's a squadmate in ME3? What was the point of that huge DLC then? They should done it as Ash/Kaidan's Spectre test mission or remove her from the ME3 permanent squad roster, to maintain some coherence with the story line.

BW is just making **** up as they go along without any regard with what they established beforehand. They made the Cerberus controlled Geth plot buildup in Overlord pointless as well the Batarian one from Arrival(which is now just an excuse to start Shep on Earth in ME3).

To be fair, ME2 was pointless as far as the plot is concerned.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 30 décembre 2011 - 01:06 .

[jlb524]

android654 wrote...

@jlb524

Only Jack's portion and the initial opening tutorial level. Did they explain why she's no longer the Shadow Broker?

Yeah.

*spoiler*

She is still the Shadow Broker...she's just no longer working from the ship, but the Normandy, because the ship was destroyed in an attack by Cerberus.

[naledgeborn]

Seboist wrote...

BW is just making **** up as they go along without any regard with what they established beforehand. They made the Cerberus controlled Geth plot buildup in Overlord pointless as well the Batarian one from Arrival(which is now just an excuse to start Shep on Earth in ME3).

Indeed. I never would have thought I'd say that a narrative in the lyrics of a Ghostface Killah song is more coherent than a BioWare trilogy, but there it is.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 30 décembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[android654]

SPOILERS


That's a weak excuse. I thought the Shadow Brokers resources were unlimited. There isnt another facility she could be, feeding Shepard useful intel? Also, either the SB role was overstated or Cerberus' reach was understated, since they were able to find the base after Liara took over. I'm just not thrilled with how they're handling this.

[jlb524]

android654 wrote...

SPOILERS


That's a weak excuse. I thought the Shadow Brokers resources were unlimited. There isnt another facility she could be, feeding Shepard useful intel? Also, either the SB role was overstated or Cerberus' reach was understated, since they were able to find the base after Liara took over. I'm just not thrilled with how they're handling this.

What is wrong with her working from the Normandy, exactly?  Why is it better to have her sitting at another facility?

Shepard also kind of needs her knowledge for something that's important and this is made clear early on in the game...it makes sense to me that Liara would operate from the Normandy.

She still has agents around the galaxy that send her info.

[Ryzaki]

If we had the option to invite her along the Normandy or have her go work at one of the SB's other facilities I'd be yay.

As it is. Meh.

I don't see the logic in forcing her in one of the ships that's gonna be on the front line if she's such a valuable resource. The galaxy can afford to have Shep (and the crew of the Normandy) die. It can't afford to have the SB resources become unusable/have no one alive know where they are.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 décembre 2011 - 01:23 .

[android654]

jlb524 wrote...

android654 wrote...

SPOILERS


That's a weak excuse. I thought the Shadow Brokers resources were unlimited. There isnt another facility she could be, feeding Shepard useful intel? Also, either the SB role was overstated or Cerberus' reach was understated, since they were able to find the base after Liara took over. I'm just not thrilled with how they're handling this.

What is wrong with her working from the Normandy, exactly?  Why is it better to have her sitting at another facility?

Shepard also kind of needs her knowledge for something that's important and this is made clear early on in the game...it makes sense to me that Liara would operate from the Normandy.

She still has agents around the galaxy that send her info.

Essentially why Ryzaki stated. If it was optional, then yeah, whatever. Since its obligatory, its senseless.

Her being the SB isn't optional, no matter what you do, she'll become the SB.Which means the whole point of LOTSB was to have you own Anti-Cerberus at your disposal to help you combat Cerberus and help in fighting the Reapers.

Why shouldn't Liara be a permanent Squad member? She 's commanding her own private army! She's way more useful using her resources to attack one problem on one end of the galaxy while the Normandy is tackling the other. Having her on the Normandy is actually a hinderence in the war against the Reapers.

[Ryzaki]

How awesome would it be if in certain areas where Shep's being bombared by Cerberus the SB private army comes and helps him/her out?

It would be nice that if you could choose to have Liara on the squad. Having her not on the squad gets you access to some intel slower and gives Shep a harder time at points but Liara gets data from other sources faster and can send her army to help out colonies and such before Cerberus completely reams them and such. If Cerberus does find out where she is she can simply move to another SB base (i'm pretty sure the SB would have multiple bases). Probably feed Cerberus false information about where she really is as well.

It's not like Cerberus can't figure out she's on the Normandy if that's where she decides to stay.

Frankly that would add replayability to me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 décembre 2011 - 01:45 .

[Seboist]

Kid Buu wrote...

Seboist wrote...

android654 wrote...

You know, that's a really good point. They made a lot of fuss about LOTSB like it was ME2.1, yet she's a squadmate in ME3? What was the point of that huge DLC then? They should done it as Ash/Kaidan's Spectre test mission or remove her from the ME3 permanent squad roster, to maintain some coherence with the story line.

BW is just making **** up as they go along without any regard with what they established beforehand. They made the Cerberus controlled Geth plot buildup in Overlord pointless as well the Batarian one from Arrival(which is now just an excuse to start Shep on Earth in ME3).

To be fair, ME2 was pointless as far as the plot is concerned.

Yup, Cerberus reviving Shepard and going after the collectors/reapers was made pointless and even nonsensical given what BW has them doing in ME3.

[jlb524]

android654 wrote...
Essentially why Ryzaki stated. If it was optional, then yeah, whatever. Since its obligatory, its senseless.

So you have a problem with non-optional squad mates in general or just Liara?

android654 wrote... 
Why shouldn't Liara be a permanent Squad member? She 's commanding her own private army! She's way more useful using her resources to attack one problem on one end of the galaxy while the Normandy is tackling the other. Having her on the Normandy is actually a hinderence in the war against the Reapers.

She can do that on the ship.  All she's doing as Shadow Broker is collecting information...analyzing it and giving orders to her agents.

[naledgeborn]

Liara's entire character is contrived. Give up on the rationalizations.

[Seboist]

naledgeborn wrote...

Liara's entire character is contrived. Give up on the rationalizations.

Yup, this socially inept bookworm hermit is this great big prothean expert despite being a teenager in Asari years AND is related to Saren's second in command AND is somehow this badass Asari commando despite no combat training. If that wasn't enough they turn her into a ruthless and great info broker that turns into the freakin Shadow Broker.

"Trainwreck" wouldn't begin to describe this POS mess of a character.

[King Minos]

Wow. What is with the Liara hate?

[Nightwriter]

To say that an ME1 character is contrived is laughable. Compared to the ME2 crew their portrayal was pretty understated and down to earth. Well, none of them were bioengineered super soldiers or tortured killing machines or warrior paladins or brooding assassins or genetically perfect bionic women, anyway.

[Vilio1]

King Minos wrote...

Wow. What is with the Liara hate?

All ME2 squadmates are shoved to the side in favor of her!!!

[jlb524]

King Minos wrote...
Wow. What is with the Liara hate?

Jealousy.

[naledgeborn]

Jealousy is a ****made emotion. Won't be seeing that from me. Just stating the facts here. ME2 characters started off badass. They didn't have chunks of the story written around them to keep them relevant and make them seem badass.

[jlb524]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

King Minos wrote...
Wow. What is with the Liara hate?

Jealousy.

Pretty much. The Tali hate is even worse. There's been little Garrus hate though, which is odd, as he's the third of the "Favouritism Trio".

Garrus is a bro.

Or..."there can only be one chick that's important in Shepard's story and I want that to be my LI, dangnabbit!"

[Ryzaki]

...I wonder if just wanting Shep to be able to express distaste for her (and have her acknowledge that and react to it other than brushing it off as Shep being in a bad mood) count as hate?

[King Minos]

Also whats wrong with having a obssessive, hot, stalker? I find that sexy. Liara fan I am. And how is Tali hated along with Garrus?

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

...I wonder if just wanting Shep to be able to express distaste for her (and have her acknowledge that and react to it other than brushing it off as Shep being in a bad mood) count as hate?

Nah.