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[priestess of blood]

MisterJB wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Miranda is super intelligent yet insecure. Oh and infertile. Yeah real deep there, in fact I feel a connection already! Sweet Jesus! How could I be so blind?!

Garrus is tired of playing by the rules. My gosh, we are going to be bros for life.
See, I can do it to. Remove the intricacies of each character and they all sound boring.

When I met garrus in ME1 I saw dirty harry if he was born a turian.

[King Minos]

Miser JB, I'm basing my opinion on the fact that Garrus was a squad in ME1 and we learned about his past and views, then he was a squad member in ME2 and we learned of his adventures and his history when Shepard was dead. Once again he will be a squad member and due to this, I believe he will have even more backstory and a deeper personality. I think the ME 2 squadmembers will get shafted like the Me1 squad, but that is my opinion.

[King Minos]

The ME2 squad members will have their personality explored more, but not as much as the latest squad members for 3. That's how I see it and why I believe Garrus, Tali and Liara to be deeper. I liked Jacob and his personality as well, nice to have someone normal.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Well OP when you put it like that now I think she's a reaper sleeper agent and has been all along. It could work sleeper agent (subconsciously) is drawn to subject who used beacon technology they shouldn't have been able to, does a 180 from sweet to vengeful to want to kill the SB for the crimes of killing a now revived dead man and kidnapping her turncoat friend, kills said SB does a 180 goes back to sweet renews love towards subject when reapers show lures subject and the reapers have all the data in the world + their new lab rat. Why'd you do this to me OP!

[Seboist]

I feel sorry for Garrus, they completely disregarded his character development and the player choice in ME1 so they could shoehorn him into becoming Shepard's little attack dog in 2 and 3 in order to fan pander. They made the poor guy the most irrelevant of the ME1 cast by doing so.

[android654]

jlb524 wrote...

So you have a problem with non-optional squad mates in general or just Liara?

She can do that on the ship.  All she's doing as Shadow Broker is collecting information...analyzing it and giving orders to her agents.

Against Liara? No, she's ok in my book but not a character I spend a great deal of time thinking about anyway. Liara is something of a special character though. We do spend a decent chunk of time in ME2  getting her this new status that puts her at the same footing as TIM. To have her on the team sort of does away with all of that. So that 2+ hours of content was for nothing. Its not so much that she shouldn't be on the Normandy, its more that she should be too occupied running an operation identical to Shepard's to help win the war. It simply makes way more sense that way.

By your rationalization, TIM could have been on the Normandy all throughout ME2. But he's a commander of his own organization. Its not just reading some paragraphs and sending a text to someone. If she was going to be serious with the new status we worked to give her, she should use it to its fullest like she was once LOTSB was over.

jlb524 wrote...
Or..."there can only be one chick that's important in Shepard's story and I want that to be my LI, dangnabbit!"

Yeah... Garrus never interested me too much. He is useful on missions, but his character is Dirty Harry in space, Or Luther in space, or John McClane in space, or you get the picture. The idea of a good cop gone rogue to get the job done is only cool if he's an actual cop. But I digress, my indifference towards Liara has nothing to do with her being a woman, seeing as most of my Shepards are Femsheps and once I started using biotics more my squad was almost permanently Jack and Miranda, and the character I'm actually excited to see return is Ashley. So its got nothing to do with women, I just don't think she's that strong of a character.

[naledgeborn]

Judging by the leaks that isn't an opinion. And Garrus is decent enough example of a consistent character. Wrex as well. Same can not be said for characters like Liara and to a lesser extent Tali.

[android654]

King Minos wrote...

Miser JB, I'm basing my opinion on the fact that Garrus was a squad in ME1 and we learned about his past and views, then he was a squad member in ME2 and we learned of his adventures and his history when Shepard was dead. Once again he will be a squad member and due to this, I believe he will have even more backstory and a deeper personality. I think the ME 2 squadmembers will get shafted like the Me1 squad, but that is my opinion.

But the ME1 squad didn't get shafted, they got 2 games, and some of them got 3 to explore their stories. So no one got shafted as bad as the ME2 squad mates, even if they were the better written and more interesting of the first 2.

[android654]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

android654 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Miser JB, I'm basing my opinion on the fact that Garrus was a squad in ME1 and we learned about his past and views, then he was a squad member in ME2 and we learned of his adventures and his history when Shepard was dead. Once again he will be a squad member and due to this, I believe he will have even more backstory and a deeper personality. I think the ME 2 squadmembers will get shafted like the Me1 squad, but that is my opinion.

But the ME1 squad didn't get shafted, they got 2 games, and some of them got 3 to explore their stories. So no one got shafted as bad as the ME2 squad mates, even if they were the better written and more interesting of the first 2.

What I think he meant was that the ME1 squad was shafted in ME2 the same way that the ME2 squad will be shafted in ME3.

And what I meant was there wont be a fourth chapter to rectify that for them like the third chapter allows for ME1 squadmates.

[naledgeborn]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

What I think he meant was that the ME1 squad was shafted in ME2 the same way that the ME2 squad will be shafted in ME3.

Not the same. ME1 squad will be in two games. And while they'll be important (LOL) a 20 minute cameo in the last game of the trilogy just won't cut it. 

[Seboist]

android654 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

So you have a problem with non-optional squad mates in general or just Liara?

She can do that on the ship.  All she's doing as Shadow Broker is collecting information...analyzing it and giving orders to her agents.

Against Liara? No, she's ok in my book but not a character I spend a great deal of time thinking about anyway. Liara is something of a special character though. We do spend a decent chunk of time in ME2  getting her this new status that puts her at the same footing as TIM. To have her on the team sort of does away with all of that. So that 2+ hours of content was for nothing. Its not so much that she shouldn't be on the Normandy, its more that she should be too occupied running an operation identical to Shepard's to help win the war. It simply makes way more sense that way.

By your rationalization, TIM could have been on the Normandy all throughout ME2. But he's a commander of his own organization. Its not just reading some paragraphs and sending a text to someone. If she was going to be serious with the new status we worked to give her, she should use it to its fullest like she was once LOTSB was over.

jlb524 wrote...
Or..."there can only be one chick that's important in Shepard's story and I want that to be my LI, dangnabbit!"

Yeah... Garrus never interested me too much. He is useful on missions, but his character is Dirty Harry in space, Or Luther in space, or John McClane in space, or you get the picture. The idea of a good cop gone rogue to get the job done is only cool if he's an actual cop. But I digress, my indifference towards Liara has nothing to do with her being a woman, seeing as most of my Shepards are Femsheps and once I started using biotics more my squad was almost permanently Jack and Miranda, and the character I'm actually excited to see return is Ashley. So its got nothing to do with women, I just don't think she's that strong of a character.

My femshep would have approved of that. She did invite him over near the end.....

[JosephDucreux]

Considering that she was stalking Shepard and it even went to the extent where she nearly got herself killed to get Shep's corpse back, I'd say her love is pretty genuine.

[naledgeborn]

Seboist wrote...

My femshep would have approved of that. She did invite him over near the end.....

I'm surprised he didn't take it. He was all excited about going through the Omega 4 Relay.

[JosephDucreux]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

It is indeed unfortunate the Illusive Man was not available as he is truly a fantastic person who deserves to fight by Shepard's side.

Indeed.

[Seboist]

naledgeborn wrote...

Seboist wrote...

My femshep would have approved of that. She did invite him over near the end.....

I'm surprised he didn't take it. He was all excited about going through the Omega 4 Relay.

Damn shame he didn't.  My femshep was hoping to celebrate the victory over the Collectors by drinking Jim Beam and smoking Marlboro with him.

[Kid Buu]

android654 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Miser JB, I'm basing my opinion on the fact that Garrus was a squad in ME1 and we learned about his past and views, then he was a squad member in ME2 and we learned of his adventures and his history when Shepard was dead. Once again he will be a squad member and due to this, I believe he will have even more backstory and a deeper personality. I think the ME 2 squadmembers will get shafted like the Me1 squad, but that is my opinion.

But the ME1 squad didn't get shafted, they got 2 games, and some of them got 3 to explore their stories. So no one got shafted as bad as the ME2 squad mates, even if they were the better written and more interesting of the first 2.

Completely opinionated.

[android654]

Kid Buu wrote...

android654 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Miser JB, I'm basing my opinion on the fact that Garrus was a squad in ME1 and we learned about his past and views, then he was a squad member in ME2 and we learned of his adventures and his history when Shepard was dead. Once again he will be a squad member and due to this, I believe he will have even more backstory and a deeper personality. I think the ME 2 squadmembers will get shafted like the Me1 squad, but that is my opinion.

But the ME1 squad didn't get shafted, they got 2 games, and some of them got 3 to explore their stories. So no one got shafted as bad as the ME2 squad mates, even if they were the better written and more interesting of the first 2.

Completely opinionated.

Rather factual since the majority were written to accentuate the organizations around them or tie in directly to conflicts that were glimsped in ME1, In ME1 the VS, Garrus, and Wrex have well written back stories and Dialogue. Liara still sounds overwhelmingly immature and most of her dialogue refernces the protheans, asari culture and the bit of flirting with Shepard, Tali only talks about the quarians, the flotilla and comparissons between it and the Normandy. Everyone on the SR2 has conetent relevant to them as individuals, their past associations, excluding Grunt since he's a new born. That's an unfortunate effect of being the first game a lot of the characters have to establish the world around them, ME2 doesn't have that problem, therefore more time could be redirected to the characters.

So more care was placed on their writing. Fact.

[jlb524]

android654 wrote...
By your rationalization, TIM could have been on the Normandy all throughout ME2. But he's a commander of his own organization. Its not just reading some paragraphs and sending a text to someone. If she was going to be serious with the new status we worked to give her, she should use it to its fullest like she was once LOTSB was over.

He could have been, sure.

He wasn't though.

[Yuqi]

None of them get shafted. Some of the better LI dialouge in ME3, is from the ME2 squadmates. Well except Jacob...

The scientists and smart people I have met, tend to have an obsessiv. Liara is awsome, deal with it 

Modifié par Yuqi, 30 décembre 2011 - 04:10 .

[Kid Buu]

android654 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

android654 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Miser JB, I'm basing my opinion on the fact that Garrus was a squad in ME1 and we learned about his past and views, then he was a squad member in ME2 and we learned of his adventures and his history when Shepard was dead. Once again he will be a squad member and due to this, I believe he will have even more backstory and a deeper personality. I think the ME 2 squadmembers will get shafted like the Me1 squad, but that is my opinion.

But the ME1 squad didn't get shafted, they got 2 games, and some of them got 3 to explore their stories. So no one got shafted as bad as the ME2 squad mates, even if they were the better written and more interesting of the first 2.

Completely opinionated.

Rather factual since the majority were written to accentuate the organizations around them or tie in directly to conflicts that were glimsped in ME1, In ME1 the VS, Garrus, and Wrex have well written back stories and Dialogue. Liara still sounds overwhelmingly immature and most of her dialogue refernces the protheans, asari culture and the bit of flirting with Shepard, Tali only talks about the quarians, the flotilla and comparissons between it and the Normandy. Everyone on the SR2 has conetent relevant to them as individuals, their past associations, excluding Grunt since he's a new born. That's an unfortunate effect of being the first game a lot of the characters have to establish the world around them, ME2 doesn't have that problem, therefore more time could be redirected to the characters.

So more care was placed on their writing. Fact.

Omg. More care does not mean BETTER. Most of the dialogue from the characters in ME2 are little different in that they are slightly informative and then completely usesless unless a LI. Funny, all the characters seem to be that way in ME1 as well. And what? Did you EVER talk to Tali in ME1? Because everything you said is wrong. She does talk about herself, and more importantly the geth, who were the main enemies in ME1. Therefor she alone was more useful than say.. Thane or Samara, the latter of which has no personality. The only reason it appears that ME2 had better characters is because there were more and the game was based around them.

lets look at this:

Samara is just an emotionless killer that thinks shes in the right.

Grunt is just a Krogan. Really, there is nothing special about him, other than he is suppsoe to be `pure` (whatever that means)

Jack is  a cliche` emotionally disturbed person with a violent past.

Mordin is a genius that has some moral issues with things hes done.

Ect.
On top of being about as depth as the characters in ME1 for the most part, none of the squad mates contribute anything to the story other than Mordin. You could say that building the team to fight the reapers was the goal, but how is that anything less than what the ME1 squad was?

Now the characters werent bad in ME2, and dont get me wrong, I liked Thane. However, most of them had the same, if not, less depth than the characters in ME1. A few had good characterization, but not all.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 30 décembre 2011 - 04:33 .

[JamieCOTC]

Then came LOTSB and Shep got to be a real boy/girl instead of a brick.