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[android654]

Kid Buu wrote...

android654 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

android654 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Miser JB, I'm basing my opinion on the fact that Garrus was a squad in ME1 and we learned about his past and views, then he was a squad member in ME2 and we learned of his adventures and his history when Shepard was dead. Once again he will be a squad member and due to this, I believe he will have even more backstory and a deeper personality. I think the ME 2 squadmembers will get shafted like the Me1 squad, but that is my opinion.

But the ME1 squad didn't get shafted, they got 2 games, and some of them got 3 to explore their stories. So no one got shafted as bad as the ME2 squad mates, even if they were the better written and more interesting of the first 2.

Completely opinionated.

Rather factual since the majority were written to accentuate the organizations around them or tie in directly to conflicts that were glimsped in ME1, In ME1 the VS, Garrus, and Wrex have well written back stories and Dialogue. Liara still sounds overwhelmingly immature and most of her dialogue refernces the protheans, asari culture and the bit of flirting with Shepard, Tali only talks about the quarians, the flotilla and comparissons between it and the Normandy. Everyone on the SR2 has conetent relevant to them as individuals, their past associations, excluding Grunt since he's a new born. That's an unfortunate effect of being the first game a lot of the characters have to establish the world around them, ME2 doesn't have that problem, therefore more time could be redirected to the characters.

So more care was placed on their writing. Fact.

Omg. More care does not mean BETTER. Most of the dialogue from the characters in ME2 are little different in that they are slightly informative and then completely usesless unless a LI. Funny, all the characters seem to be that way in ME1 as well. And what? Did you EVER talk to Tali in ME1? Because everything you said is wrong. She does talk about herself, and more importantly the geth, who were the main enemies in ME1. Therefor she alone was more useful than say.. Thane or Samara, the latter of which has no personality. The only reason it appears that ME2 had better characters is because there were more and the game was based around them.

She makes a statement about herself and it ties back to her father and the quarian government. Her statements about the Geth are their history, but not about her person. She also makes a statement about pilgramige, but it ties to her culture not her as an individual. And I just finished a campaign in ME1 today so yes I spoke to her as I do with every Shepard. She's hollow, not my fault.

[Kid Buu]

Alright, shes a daughter of an admiral, cares only for her people and stopping the reapers, has a bad immune system, lost her mother and her father never cared for her. Not to mention she helped the story progress more than almost any character in ME2. In ME1, she was certainly not fleshed out as much as she could have been, I agree but... How is this any less depth than say... Samara? Or Legion? or Grunt?

And is Tali the only example you have?

On top of all of this, the usefulness of the squad mates in combat was much more balanced in ME1. Every character had a niche in the squad. In ME2, there were so many that many of them were redundant in combat.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 30 décembre 2011 - 04:32 .

[ediskrad327]

pretty genuine i would say

[Kid Buu]

On topic, though..... I would say it is genuine.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

I concur!

[android654]

I stated ME1has four decently written characters. In ME2 (not counting Tali or Garrus since they each have two conversations before theyre out of dialogue and Zaeed and Kasumi since they don't have interactive dialogue), Jacob, Miranda, Thane, Jack, Mordin, and Legion have dialogue that's exclusive to their person and their personal history directly before their recruitment.

So the amount is almost similar, but in ME2 the characters dialogue is longer, there are more conversation opportunities and if the four good ME1 characters about a third of their dialogue is devoted to the history of their people. I don't want to learn about races or cultures from a party member, that's what the codex is for. Party members should have their dialogue devoted entirely to them, since the dialogue's purpose is to tell us that specific character's history and personality.

[android654]

Doesn't matter, she was useless in ME2 in fights, at least in ME1 she was good for hacking.

I also think its an obsession, not love and the two are extremely different.

[Kid Buu]

android654 wrote...

I stated ME1has four decently written characters. In ME2 (not counting Tali or Garrus since they each have two conversations before theyre out of dialogue and Zaeed and Kasumi since they don't have interactive dialogue), Jacob, Miranda, Thane, Jack, Mordin, and Legion have dialogue that's exclusive to their person and their personal history directly before their recruitment.

So the amount is almost similar, but in ME2 the characters dialogue is longer, there are more conversation opportunities and if the four good ME1 characters about a third of their dialogue is devoted to the history of their people. I don't want to learn about races or cultures from a party member, that's what the codex is for. Party members should have their dialogue devoted entirely to them, since the dialogue's purpose is to tell us that specific character's history and personality.

The dialogue is longer but not necessarily better. I also disagree with some of the character you said are well written. Also, you say 6 of them are good. Thats 50% of the squad. But you say 4 out of 5 are are good in ME1. The proportion of good characters according to you is higher in ME1, unlike ME2 which was centered around the characters, in yet had more bad ones. That kind of proves my point.

I liked the ME2 characters more for the most part, but saying they are `better` than the ME1 squad as a fact, is wrong.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 30 décembre 2011 - 04:48 .

[Kid Buu]

android654 wrote...

Doesn't matter, she was useless in ME2 in fights, at least in ME1 she was good for hacking.

I also think its an obsession, not love and the two are extremely different.

She was certainly less useful in ME2. She is pretty good with a GPS though.

Wait. Legion dosnt really have unique dialogue to him before you recruit
him because when your talking to him in the AI core, you already agreed
to recruit him.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 30 décembre 2011 - 04:45 .

[Kid Buu]

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Modifié par Kid Buu, 30 décembre 2011 - 04:45 .

[android654]

First it's not a math equation. Second, since those I mentioned have dialogue specific to them and every ME1 character has about a third of their dialogue devoted to their "people" there's no way to equate the content. ME2 isn't beholden to the restrictions placed on ME1 to establish the universe. I would trade Mordin and Jack's dialogue for all of the ME1 dialogue because those two characters gave more personal history than everyone on the SR1.

She's useless in ME2. Her tech is useless, her personalization doesn't do much to add to her durability. In ME1 she has use purpose, hack Heath terminals.

Replay ME1, you'll see what I'm talking about. There's less content and amoung four (I said four Ashley, Kaidan, Wrex , and Garrus. Tali and Liara have bad dialogue) characters its about 2/3 of personal content. In ME2 the characters I mentioned have almost 100% personal content.

[JosephDucreux]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You know who has a lot of personal content, from what I've read in the script? The entire ME3 squad.

No sh*t, Sherlock.

[Ticktank]

Sherlock is coming to haunt you tonight for making that statement.

[Kid Buu]

android654 wrote...

First it's not a math equation. Second, since those I mentioned have dialogue specific to them and every ME1 character has about a third of their dialogue devoted to their "people" there's no way to equate the content. ME2 isn't beholden to the restrictions placed on ME1 to establish the universe. I would trade Mordin and Jack's dialogue for all of the ME1 dialogue because those two characters gave more personal history than everyone on the SR1.

She's useless in ME2. Her tech is useless, her personalization doesn't do much to add to her durability. In ME1 she has use purpose, hack Heath terminals.

Replay ME1, you'll see what I'm talking about. There's less content and amoung four (I said four Ashley, Kaidan, Wrex , and Garrus. Tali and Liara have bad dialogue) characters its about 2/3 of personal content. In ME2 the characters I mentioned have almost 100% personal content.

Ummm what? The ME1 characters all have dialgue specific to them as well. The added bonus is that you get to see how they view and treat their own people in the dialogue. This, for the most part, is not a bad thing as it actually adds to their character, perhaps in a not so obvious way (maybe thats the problem you are having?). Most of the characters in ME2 simply rpeat the same idea over ie: Mordin is morally confused, MJ hates her dad, Jacob hates his dad, Samara follows her code, ect. They are basically the same concepts as the ME1 squad only slightly different. The point is that a lot of what they say in both ME1 and ME2 is irrelevent to the story and expresses how they view certain things, like the genophage, cerberus, or even personal things. So saying that a lot of what they talk about in ME2 cant be compared to ME1 does not make much sense in a lot of cases.


As for Tali in ME2. I already said she wasnt as useful, but shes not useless. Atleast not for me. Maybe Im just good at the game.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 30 décembre 2011 - 05:04 .

[Kid Buu]

You know, this conversation is kind of irrelevant to the topic. Just saying.

[ediskrad327]

Kid Buu wrote...

You know, this conversation is kind of irrelevant to the topic. Just saying.

pretty irrelevant i would say

[Cheesy Blue]

 Their is no love between them. Only hot erotic steamy lust. 

[Kid Buu]

While we are this topic. I think Desire Demons the ability to romance multiple people at once should be in the game.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 30 décembre 2011 - 05:13 .

[outlaw1109]

android654 wrote...

SPOILERS


That's a weak excuse. I thought the Shadow Brokers resources were unlimited. There isnt another facility she could be, feeding Shepard useful intel? Also, either the SB role was overstated or Cerberus' reach was understated, since they were able to find the base after Liara took over. I'm just not thrilled with how they're handling this.

They wouldn't really have to "find" the base.  Liara uploaded the coordinates to the Normandy, which has TIM's listening/data mining devices all over it.

Kind of expected a Cerberus/SB clash eventually, given how TIM was portrayed in ME2.  (I foolishly theorized he was the SB before the DLC came out).


Also, many of Bioware's characters have flaws in their design.  Liara definately does (especially if not LI), but her "clingyness" was something I attributed to fighting the geth in ME1.  Soldiers often form a bond with each other when they go to war that is hard for some to understand.  The same logic could be applied to both Garrus and Tali...

Would have been nice if they weren't so extremely "gaga" over Shepard (Kelly says something about Tali's body language when she initially joins the crew) like if BW had checked to see how often you used/talked to them...

And, personally, I don't really hate anyone from either game.  I can't stand listening to Thane (or any of his race) speak and I rarely even use Samara/Morinth and, for some reason I don't understand, I can't kill Ashley at Virmire....I digress.  Sorry for WOT, will stop now.
 

Modifié par outlaw1109, 30 décembre 2011 - 05:28 .

[Cheesy Blue]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You know who has a lot of personal content, from what I've read in the script? The entire ME3 squad.

Do not forget the Mass Effect 2 squad. Though some are disappointed that their favorites will not be "permanent" it does seem that Bioware did the best with the time constraints and budget they were given.

who care about dos gaizzz anyeay