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[Someone With Mass]

mineralica wrote...

Breathing masks again?

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I'd like to know which characters will wear mask and which will have helmets. Hopefully no one decided to slap breathing mask on top of bulky armor Kaidan and James are wearing?

Now that would be mighty silly.

[-Skorpious-]

Regardless of my stance of the whole breather issue, I have to at least post my disappointment in the way Chris has seemingly handled the problem.

Telling your fanbase to "deal with it" is not only completely rude and unprofessional, but incredibly provoking as well.

[Nashiktal]

iakus wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

And this is where I disagree. I always considered Mass Effect to be space fantasy, right from the get go. Disliking masks requires that I enjoyed their presence. I can't say I really liked or disliked them; I really had no opinion whatsoever. That's pretty much the level of importance they held to me, in terms of enjoyment. If Bioware went back to fully sealed suits, I'd be fine. And if they went space mask, it would again be fine. I just don't think that Mass Effect occupied any level of "hard sci-fi" that was suddenly eliminated by exposed skin in space.

As for ME3 coming to an end, I think the franchise needs to be finished, regardless of how good the third installment is. I want to see original IPs again.

And here I like sealed suits and helmets because it showed that it's something more than science fantasy.  How much more may be open to interpretation.  But it said "this is the 'real world' with some changes made to how things work"  It didn't throw all laws of reality out the window.  It wasn't 2001, but it wasn't Star Trek either.

By eliminating that, they reduce Mass Effect, in appearance, at least, to a Saturday morning cartoon.  It removes even the fig leaf that we're operating in a universe with any kind of consistent natural law.  Even the Dragon Age universe has rules that can't be circumnented (yet, at least).

I agree. I let all sorts of things slide because of suspension of disbelief, or because it simply is cool, but there are just some things that are pushing the limit. I think this might be a case of bioware phoning it in. The pure effort put into the codex and general mechanics (hell bioware even ackowledged needing hardsuits in the main ME story!) contrasted with the more recent developments just seems odd.

Its not like I hate all the stylysation choices bioware makes, I just like some... Whats the word.... More context sensitive(?) and consistent use of them. The laws and rules bioware made in the first game allowed for some very creative situations and story telling (like how a turian general defeated a terrorist group by using a parachute to slow a bomb allowing it to bypass the barriers surrounding their base) but now since everything can change at the drop of a hat it kinda feels hard to get invested to me.

I make all sorts of exceptions for gameplay reasons of course, but if it goes to far it bungles anything you might take seriously about the game.

Again I will point people to the MST3KMantra.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:06 .

[GMagnum]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

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[Heavensrun]

Mazder wrote...

True she was, but she was on the Normandy, away from any combat.
In combat on the other hand is another matter.
Two distinct things that we haven't seen her in any ywt in ME3, but the initial display of her not only out of her armour but also in something that was very close to what Miranda was wearing in ME2, I feel that it was a tad of a wrong move.
Corrected in the end though, so that is okay.

I dunno that I'd say "close to what miranda was wearing in ME2".  It looked to me more like the light armors from ME1.

Yeah apparently anyone can be a Spectre now.
So much for them being an elite group of specially selectaed individulas who have to do amazing things to even get the councils attention. 

Oh, c'mon, I'm not even an ashley fan, but even I've gotta acknowledge that, if Ashley is alive, at the very least she's an accomplished and decorated soldier who has a good service record.  And if she's working for the council on a paragon playthrough, that implies she's left behind some of her old prejudices, as well.

aksoileau wrote...

He probably would have responded differently if someone other than Terror_K posted.  But I see your point.

While you may have that opinion it is not one I share.

To me Chris is no better than the Trolls that infect this place sometimes.
For the most part I have not seen him in a very "Moderator" style of behaviour or level of professionalism.

(shrug)  YMMV.  But people who are suggesting that this represents a "change" in the bioware devs haven't paid attention to Chris in the past.  He is who he is, and that is who he has always been, at least as far as I've seen on these forums.

[argonian persona]

How come the more information I obtain about this game the more I question what happened to Mass Effect? I'm concerned about this game.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Terror_K wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

But it doesn't add to the gameplay at all. It doesn't even impact on it. It's purely aesthetic, and a completely juvenile and pathetic one at that that spits in the face of sensibility just for the sake of... I don't even know what!

Think about it Terror_K, Bioware gave the characters skimpy clothing for a reason, so that we can stare at their breasts, now you tell me how stupid it would be if Jack or Samara had to cover up their breasts and wear full atmospheric body suits and helmets just for the sake of realism? All Bioware has to do now is work on Zero-G boob and ass physics and they will have on hell of a game.

But in all seriousness I totally agree with you, personally in hazardous areas where it would make sense to need a full bodysuit and helmet I only use squadmates that have a full suit and helmet like Garrus or Tali or Legion since he wouldnt need one in the first place, watching a character like Jack walk around wearing only nipple straps and a gas mask in a toxic atmosphere or in the vacuum of space just really takes me out of the game.

That being said however Chris has a point and it is up to the team at Bioware to decide what does and doesnt make it into their games, if they prefer their characters to wear gasmasks in hazardous environments for whatever reasons then who are we to say they cant? The only thing we can do is vote with out wallets and not purchase the game if it bothers us so much.

[Nashiktal]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

You see I actually like that. I can suspend my disbelief with this when used alongside a sealed hardsuit (or equivilent.) Although joker in this case did make me pause for though on how he was surviving the vacuume. Barriers (which was used behind him) do not hold air.

It's something which made me think that mass effect fields have adjustable density to block out air or let some objects through.

Or it could just be that Shepard's shield emitters/armor worked as a repellent and pushed the ME field away just enough for him to pass through.

Oh I am sure there is some way to explain it. Without any explanation to the contrary during the actual story of ME2 just felt jarring and out of place though.

I can make exceptions for gameplay purpose (like how the geth made tangible barriers in ME1) but when weaved into the story it was just jarring.

[C9316]

Is this really a deal breaker for you Terror? Really? Get over it...

[Iakus]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Regardless of my stance of the whole breather issue, I have to at least post my disappointment in the way Chris has seemingly handled the problem.

Telling your fanbase to "deal with it" is not only completely rude and unprofessional, but incredibly provoking as well.

Well Terror could always put up a complaint.

My first instinct was actually to report the post.

But then, that kinda would have been pointless.

[Raizo]

I despise all forms of head gear in the ME games and the breathing masks from ME2 rank right up there with some of the stupidest things I have ever seen in any game. Why are they back in ME3? surely with all the hate they received in ME2 you would assume that they would not come back for ME3.

For all this talk about how the developers at Bioware monitor forums and listen to fan feed back and then something like this happens, it makes you wonder do they actually listen or care about what we say at all.

[eyesofastorm]

Heavensrun wrote...

(shrug)  YMMV.  But people who are suggesting that this represents a "change" in the bioware devs haven't paid attention to Chris in the past.  He is who he is, and that is who he has always been, at least as far as I've seen on these forums.

I don't know... I go back a ways before the BSN to the old Bioboards and I don't remember Chris always being a ******, but I do have to consider the possibility that his behavior was just muddled by the much higher prevalence of posts by other Biofolk.  Maybe now that he represents probably about half or more of the posts we see from Biofolk that it stands out more.

[Nashiktal]

daftPirate wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

You see I actually like that. I can suspend my disbelief with this when used alongside a sealed hardsuit (or equivilent.) Although joker in this case did make me pause for though on how he was surviving the vacuume. Barriers (which was used behind him) do not hold air.

They seem to intend for them to hold air in ME2, though. Even at the end of the game, when repairs are being made to SR2, holes caused by the collector ship are covered with barriers. I can see if the science doesn't work, just pointing out that it wasn't a one time thing for convenience...rather a two time thing XD.

And that's part of the problem. They just tossed it in without explanation. People new to ME2 (well they are the target audience. ) won't notice but it definitely made me pause and wonder when someone was going to tell me about these amazing advances in tech, or even for shep to lampshade it.

[Iakus]

Nashiktal wrote...

Again I will point people to the MST3KMantra.

I'd never heard of that.  But it fits the situation really well.

[MythicLegands]

You guys better back off, it's Biowares style k, don't need to get mad cause you don't have breather masks like that.

[Seboist]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Regardless of my stance of the whole breather issue, I have to at least post my disappointment in the way Chris has seemingly handled the problem.

Telling your fanbase to "deal with it" is not only completely rude and unprofessional, but incredibly provoking as well.

Pfft, I've seen him insulting a user before(Gatt9).

[MELTOR13]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Regardless of my stance of the whole breather issue, I have to at least post my disappointment in the way Chris has seemingly handled the problem.

Telling your fanbase to "deal with it" is not only completely rude and unprofessional, but incredibly provoking as well.

But it's OK for "fans" to act like super-dooshers over a small feature in a product they are not required to buy. 

Sane people know how to act in a decent manner, even over something they dislike. Chris's response is in-kind with how the TC is choosing to voice his/her issues. Respect is earned.