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[Bluko]

*Sigh*

I was really hoping the ME2: what's a vacuum/hazardous environment? stuff would end. Also nevermind the fact you know different planets have different atmospheres, pressure, etc. Science-Fiction is suppose to build interest in science and make us think of future possibilites and what-ifs. Trivalizing the matters of space exploration is an extremely lousy thing to do. I thought you guys cared about that "technical" stuff. I thoght that's why there is a codex and planetary descriptions. I know it's a game, but there's just no excuse for this stuff other then plain apathy for the setting.

I mean you should be trying to make astronaut suits and space armor look "cool" whilst being functional so people won't see astronauts as "space dorks". Instead you mock it by parading characters around everywhere in what's basically fashion attire. In a way you may be turning off people from ever actually wanting to go into space with this kind of dribble. 

And this might be news to the Developers but a person's eyes are quite vulnerable as well. Ever been in a really bad blizzard? Yeah you're going to want goggles. Same goes for sandstorms. And those are "friendly" Earth environments. You know if it's a full face mask I'd let it slide. Althugh it's still problematic when you're under different pressure. Eh who cares if your ear drums pop though right? But really the sensible thing to do is just have actual helmets since then you have "one-size-fits-all" for different environments.

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Just bring Tali and Garrus everywhere; they have the sense to wear full helmets. Problem solved.

This is what I did in ME2. Too bad as I would have liked to have brought other squadmates with me. It's pretty sad I have to choose characters based on looks simply to maintain some level of immersion. I mean really?

I really don't get it either. Bioware games are suppose to be "immersive" hence the story driven focus. Why are you turning your games into the common action dribble nobody cares about? It amazes me how much disdain the creators of Mass Effect have for their own universe. The games might "fun" but if you want to make Mass Effect a legitimate Sci-Fi setting that will continue to have fans for many years to come you need to have some consistency.


Look I'll forgive the breathing masks, if I have the option to have characters in full sealed suits with helmets. You know if some people want breathing masks and no armor cause they want their character to look "cool" fine. I don't care what others do in their games. But please don't subject all of us to this. It's as appealing as giving everyone bright pink suits and having no option to change it.

Otheriwse I'm left to assume every place we visit in Mass Effect 3 is exactly like Earth. Which seems kind of dumb in a game that's basically all about going to alien worlds...

[Iakus]

kingrat2314 wrote...


So, you want them to stay consistent by breaking consistency? I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Consistency's broken either way.  But at least ME2 could be blown off as an aberration.

And like I said, I liked Mass Effect better before it was a cartoon.

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

iakus wrote...

How about consistancy from one game to another.  Too much to ask for?

Well, technically, with the return of breather masks, you've got it: ME3 is consistent with ME2.

It's not though.

Shep still has to abide by the laws of ME1. It's just for some baffling reason the squaddies get a free pass.

There's nothing consistent at all about it.

Hostile enviornment (no matter what the hell Shep was wearing before he takes out a helmet and slams it over his head).

Meanwhile some of the squaddies (save those who do the same Shep are doing) put on breather masks.

In ME1 *everyone* put on a helmet in hazardous enviornments including Shepard.

In ME2 *less than half* put on a helmet the rest put on breathing masks. Shep however always puts on a helmet.

This human understands.

[Ryzaki]

Yes the option to have everyone in helmets (or Shep in a breather if that's how the player wants it) would be ideal.

Alas resources. D:

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yes the option to have everyone in helmets (or Shep in a breather if that's how the player wants it) would be ideal.

Alas resources. D:

Gotta make room for multiplayer and Kinect ::nods::

[Sepewrath]

lol this reaction is hilarious, you know what's dumber than a breathing mask? Having sex with aliens, but people don't seem to mind that one so much.

[The Elder King]

Sepewrath wrote...

lol this reaction is hilarious, you know what's dumber than a breathing mask? Having sex with aliens, but people don't seem to mind that one so much.

There are/were indeed people who complain/ed about that.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Yes the option to have everyone in helmets (or Shep in a breather if that's how the player wants it) would be ideal.

Alas resources. D:

Gotta make room for multiplayer and Kinect ::nods::

...Oh yeah. kinect.

I rather have long flowing hair than Kinect. Since that apparently takes up space.

To be honest though I want the option to have Shep wear a breather since vaccums aren't that big of a deal. I put hours into my Sheps face just for the devs to cover it up with a ugly helmet meanwhile the squaddies faces are clearly visible and all they need is a clear breather mask. Why the hell would Shep wear a heavy helmet if a thin piece of...whatever the breather mask is made of does the same thing? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:33 .

[Sepewrath]

jreezy wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

lol this reaction is hilarious, you know what's dumber than a breathing mask? Having sex with aliens, but people don't seem to mind that one so much.

You haven't seen the Shepard/Tali/Garrus romance complaints have you?

Doesn't matter if some people do it, it has to be the same people. The same ones claiming breathing mask are an insult to all matters of science and common sense. None of them better be talking about how much the love Liara, otherwise that makes them a good old fashioned, hypocrite. And I'm going to go out on the limb and say that not everyone of these people that are complaining are anti alien LI. Since last I checked those aliens were pretty popular, while breathing mask were not.

[Heavensrun]

iakus wrote...


Chemical reactions, air pressure and temperature don't care about regs.  If they exist, they exist.  If they don't exist, they don't exist.  They don't pop into and out of reality based on what's awesome.

At this point, I'm thinking Shepard could have survived the destruction of the Normandy if only he had a refrigerator to hide in...

No, but my point is that if regs say alliance personell wear full environment suits in hostile situations, you wear the full evironment suit in -any- hostile situation, even if you don't nessecarily need the full suit to survive  and accomplish your mision.  so in ME1, they could have been wearing the suits when they didn't -really- need to.

But, really, if your complaint is that the laws of physics don't pop into and out of reality based on what's awesome, I'm going to have to call BS, because you're happy to ignore the laws of physics to accomodate force fields, starships, faster than light travel, aliens that look like humans, and any number of other breaks from reality that the -first- Mass Effect gleefully ignored in order to tell its story.  Why is FTL travel possible?  Because it's awesome!  Why do people have psychokinetic powers?  Because it's awesome!  Why do the characters wear breather masks rather than full helmets?  Because-Well, because it's easier to tell a story if you can see the character's face.  Which isn't really -awesome-, but...I guess...Because it's a tradeoff?

[krossbow]

If jack has shown me anything, its that naked woman are perfectly protected against alien environments if only they bring along a single strap of leather and a plastic mask you can probably buy at target.

[Merchant2006]

Well we're just going to be given the 'deal with it' response from BW so... whatever. It's farking ridiculous. Having Jack walk around in a GODDAMN VACUUM with nothing but her breast-straps covering her really was 'exactly what teh team at BioWare wanted'.

Lol.

[didymos1120]

jreezy wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

iakus wrote...

How about consistancy from one game to another.  Too much to ask for?

Well, technically, with the return of breather masks, you've got it: ME3 is consistent with ME2.

Good point.

Well, I wasn't really making a point so much as being a smart-@ss. Still, it is true: ME2 and ME3 are consistent with their inconsistencies.

[Heavensrun]

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Yes the option to have everyone in helmets (or Shep in a breather if that's how the player wants it) would be ideal.

Alas resources. D:

Gotta make room for multiplayer and Kinect ::nods::

If you wanna **** about Kinect, there's somewhere we can agree.  ;p  But that's not really -this- topic.

[Seboist]

Sepewrath wrote...

lol this reaction is hilarious, you know what's dumber than a breathing mask? Having sex with aliens, but people don't seem to mind that one so much.

Femshep wanting her pelvis broken by Garrus' literal boner really is dumb tbh.

[krossbow]

Seboist wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

lol this reaction is hilarious, you know what's dumber than a breathing mask? Having sex with aliens, but people don't seem to mind that one so much.

Femshep wanting her pelvis broken by Garrus' literal boner really is dumb tbh.

Hey, my femshep got a krogan breeding request, and SHE IS GOING TO USE IT, darnit!

[Bostur]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

*Sadface*

I thought the catwalk costume design of ME2 was one of the few cases where it was vastly inferior to ME1. It made the characters feel very unrealistic in combat, like they were pasted into the wrong movie.

But if thats the way you like it, thats of course they way you should do it.

[ODST 5723]

I'm 100% ok w/ the breathing masks. The only acceptable alternative would be unique helmets for each character.

[Merchant2006]

krossbow wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

lol this reaction is hilarious, you know what's dumber than a breathing mask? Having sex with aliens, but people don't seem to mind that one so much.

Femshep wanting her pelvis broken by Garrus' literal boner really is dumb tbh.

Hey, my femshep got a krogan breeding request, and SHE IS GOING TO USE IT, darnit!

We don't have time for the Lazarus Project 2.0 after that romance scene. She'd be split in half.

[Iakus]

Heavensrun wrote...

No, but my point is that if regs say alliance personell wear full environment suits in hostile situations, you wear the full evironment suit in -any- hostile situation, even if you don't nessecarily need the full suit to survive  and accomplish your mision.  so in ME1, they could have been wearing the suits when they didn't -really- need to.

But, really, if your complaint is that the laws of physics don't pop into and out of reality based on what's awesome, I'm going to have to call BS, because you're happy to ignore the laws of physics to accomodate force fields, starships, faster than light travel, aliens that look like humans, and any number of other breaks from reality that the -first- Mass Effect gleefully ignored in order to tell its story.  Why is FTL travel possible?  Because it's awesome!  Why do people have psychokinetic powers?  Because it's awesome!  Why do the characters wear breather masks rather than full helmets?  Because-Well, because it's easier to tell a story if you can see the character's face.  Which isn't really -awesome-, but...I guess...Because it's a tradeoff?

1) Garrus, Wrex, Tali, and Liara were not Alliance personel.  But wore full helmets whenever Shepard did.

2) Any number of "fast and loose" merc groups, pirates, and other less than law-abiding types have no problem whatsoever with wearing sealed helmets.

3) Because the first game established these things exist.  I never said I wanted realistic.  I've been saying I want consistency.  All three games have humanoid aliens, FTL, kinetic barriers.  But Mass Effect 1 also established that helmets were still needed in hostil enviroments.

I don't blame Jade Empire for being Jade Empire.  I blame Mass Effect for trying to be Jade Empire when it was already Mass Efefct.

[Heavensrun]

Sepewrath wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

lol this reaction is hilarious, you know what's dumber than a breathing mask? Having sex with aliens, but people don't seem to mind that one so much.

You haven't seen the Shepard/Tali/Garrus romance complaints have you?

Doesn't matter if some people do it, it has to be the same people. The same ones claiming breathing mask are an insult to all matters of science and common sense. None of them better be talking about how much the love Liara, otherwise that makes them a good old fashioned, hypocrite. And I'm going to go out on the limb and say that not everyone of these people that are complaining are anti alien LI. Since last I checked those aliens were pretty popular, while breathing mask were not.

Eeeeh, you can make an argument that aliens would -have- sex.  There are evolutionary reasons that -we- do, for example, and there's no reason to think those wouldn't apply to other species.  And if they have sex, and we have sex, then even with physical incompatibility, the odds are some of us would find a way to have sex with each other, because it's kinky, or because love trancends species boundaries, or whatever.

Honestly, the Asari, conceptually, are way more absurd than the simple idea of people having sex with aliens (or for that matter, than people surviving in hostile settings with just a breathing mask.)

[Iakus]

ODST 5723 wrote...

I'm 100% ok w/ the breathing masks. The only acceptable alternative would be unique helmets for each character.

Not seeing the downside here, since we already have unique faces, body types and outfits