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[nitefyre410]

Sepewrath wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

lol this reaction is hilarious, you know what's dumber than a breathing mask? Having sex with aliens, but people don't seem to mind that one so much.

You haven't seen the Shepard/Tali/Garrus romance complaints have you?

Doesn't matter if some people do it, it has to be the same people. The same ones claiming breathing mask are an insult to all matters of science and common sense. None of them better be talking about how much the love Liara, otherwise that makes them a good old fashioned, hypocrite. And I'm going to go out on the limb and say that not everyone of these people that are complaining are anti alien LI. Since last I checked those aliens were pretty popular, while breathing mask were not.

 

Hpyocrisy  sshhhh  in its the  BSN's best kept secrett

[Biotic Sage]

Chris Priestly wrote...

jollyorigins wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seriously Terror. Deal with it.

Not exactly the best way to support your game.

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

OK, Terror is a rager and defnitely complains way too much in a way that is not productive, but I see this response from Bioware's spokesperson as a very big issue.  That really is giving the middle finger to your fans, the ones who value the science fiction universe you created.  Essentially you are taking a dump on it and saying: don't get your panties in a bunch, it's not like we took it seriously to begin with, we just like the money.

Balancing the business side of things with the artistic integrity of a work is a delicate act, but you can't just get rid of the integrity completely and expect me to still give you business.

[ODST 5723]

iakus wrote...

ODST 5723 wrote...

I'm 100% ok w/ the breathing masks. The only acceptable alternative would be unique helmets for each character.

Not seeing the downside here, since we already have unique faces, body types and outfits

I don't care what you want or what you feel was established in ME1.  Your fantasy land ME3 has no business in my 360

[Ryzaki]

My issue with the breathing masks is mostly consistency.

If Shep's forced to wear a helmet...so should the squaddies.

If the Squaddies can wear a breathing mask...Shep should also be able to.

If Shep had the *option* to wear a breathing mask I wouldn't care because then it's consistent. The masks and helmets provide equal protection [somehow...] and the invidiual decides what he/she prefers.

As it is...Shep has to wear a helmet no matter what he/she was wearing beforehand while squaddies can just throw on a breather and call it a day.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[Estelindis]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

The issue Terror raised has little to do with like and dislike.  You make it sound like this is a purely subjective issue.  Really, however, it's a matter of internal consistency and credibility.  Are those things you dislike?

As a side-point, Chris, you have many excellent qualities, but simply saying "deal with it" does not, to my mind, embody the kind of dialogue I assume Bioware hoped for when creating this community.  It's rude, it's abrupt, and it doesn't contribute positively to the discussion.  It's more likely to simply irritate people.  If you had said that, for Bioware, aesthetics were more important than maintaining some kind of science within your science fiction, then that at least would have explained why you think Terror should simply "deal with it."  Saying "I like X and you like Y" really isn't enough; why Bioware prefers one to the other is the real question.  Of course, in your second post, you did explain a bit, but it's hardly surprising that people reacted with annoyance to your first glib utterance.

Modifié par Estelindis, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:47 .

[C9316]

I think Priestly is acting like a **** to Terror because Terror acts like a **** most of the time he/she makes a topic just to nitpick or act butthurt.

[Sylvianus]

Well, At least they are honest. They like it, so at this point, deal with it. It isn't something that much important to scream about, and to launch the revolution. Yes, versimilitude, but there is a moment, you need to understand that all the details won't be realistic in a game. As long as it isn't too important, I can live with that.

[naledgeborn]

Rule of Cool is your why, Estelindis

[slimgrin]

I haven't seen the Liara pic being referenced here, but to be honest, breathing masks should have been tossed out along with highheels in ME2. 

And quit coming down on Chris, he has a right to state his opinion.

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:50 .

[Heavensrun]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

300 replies over such a trivial thing in 3 hours.

The growth rate of a topic has less to do with how important it is, and more to do with how much people disagree on it.  ;p

[Estelindis]

naledgeborn wrote...

Rule of Cool is your why, Estelindis

I am aware of the rule, but for me it's far better when a designer doesn't make me choose between coolness and making sense.  Why not have both? 

Modifié par Estelindis, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:49 .

[krossbow]

Merchant2006 wrote...



We don't have time for the Lazarus Project 2.0 after that romance scene. She'd be split in half.

The badass of shepard transcends logic even in romance; Krogan romance doesn't injure shepard, Shepard's Human romance injures them.

[Biotic Sage]

Estelindis wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

The issue Terror raised has little to do with like and dislike.  You make it sound like this is a purely subjective issue.  Really, however, it's a matter of internal consistency and credibility.  Are those things you dislike?

As a side-point, Chris, you have many excellent qualities, but simply saying "deal with it" does not, to my mind, embody the kind of dialogue I assume Bioware hoped for when creating this community.  It's rude, it's abrupt, and it doesn't contribute positively to the discussion.  It's more likely to simply irritate people.  If you had said that, for Bioware, aesthetics were more important than maintaining some kind of science within your science fiction, then that at least would have explained why you think Terror should simply "deal with it."  Saying "I like X and you like Y" really isn't enough; why Bioware prefers one to the other is the real question.  Of course, in your second post, you did explain a bit, but it's hardly surprising that people reacted with annoyance to your first glib utterance.

Chris has the responsibility as a professional to take a higher road than Terror.  You are completely correct.

[The Elder King]

naledgeborn wrote...

Rule of Cool is your why, Estelindis

I'd like to understand why wearing a breather mask would be cool though.

[Heavensrun]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Well we're just going to be given the 'deal with it' response from BW so... whatever. It's farking ridiculous. Having Jack walk around in a GODDAMN VACUUM with nothing but her breast-straps covering her really was 'exactly what teh team at BioWare wanted'.

Lol.

Jack was never in vacuum.  Read the thread.

Modifié par Heavensrun, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:50 .

[mauro2222]

Heavensrun wrote...

Not any sillier than faster than light travel, or asteroid fields where weaving is nessecary, or the fact that later in the same movie, they fly from one star system to another -at sublight- and it takes a matter of days or weeks rather than years, or the idea of "desert planets" or "city planets" or "frozen tundra planets" or "forest planets".  Or that people can make things float through the air or see the future.  Or laser swords.  Or any of a million other things that make Star Wars completely absurd to anybody who has  passing knowledge of physics.

Modern knowledge, we will see how this changes in the future.... With my new empire.

Muahahaha! Unlimited POWAH!!!

*continues to laugh in a maniacal way, while random thunderbolts are launched from my fingertips*

[Sowtaaw]

Bostur wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

*Sadface*

I thought the catwalk costume design of ME2 was one of the few cases where it was vastly inferior to ME1. It made the characters feel very unrealistic in combat, like they were pasted into the wrong movie.

But if thats the way you like it, thats of course they way you should do it.

Hey captain obvious off couse a bioware grunt will like what the company is doing in public no matter how stupid its is. Thats how pr works. 

Modifié par Sowtaaw, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:51 .

[The Elder King]

Estelindis wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Rule of Cool is your why, Estelindis

I am aware of the rule, but for me it's far better when a designer doesn't make me choose between coolness and making sense.  Why not have both? 

Agreed. They could've made some unique helmets.

Modifié par hhh89, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:51 .

[SNascimento]

I knew this was going to happen ever since I saw that picture in the preview.
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But this topic is just whinning now, whinning and counter whinning and counter counter whinning... it had more potentinal in the beginning.

[Ryzaki]

Heavensrun wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

Well we're just going to be given the 'deal with it' response from BW so... whatever. It's farking ridiculous. Having Jack walk around in a GODDAMN VACUUM with nothing but her breast-straps covering her really was 'exactly what teh team at BioWare wanted'.

Lol.

Jack was never in vacuum.  Read the thread.

She was however in a supposedly sterilized enviornment.

The Quarians should've thrown everyone except Legion, Tali, Garrus and Shep off their ship the moment they saw they weren't gonna bother completely covering themselves up. [Grunt for some boggling reason has his arm exposed].

[Sepewrath]

Seboist wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

lol this reaction is hilarious, you know what's dumber than a breathing mask? Having sex with aliens, but people don't seem to mind that one so much.

Femshep wanting her pelvis broken by Garrus' literal boner really is dumb tbh.

It really is, but who cares, its just a game. That's why Shepard can be shot to hell and get back up because you pressed the A button to reload. "Oh man the fact that Shepard can be revived at a checkpoint totally takes me out of the game, it should be taken out" The game should just shut off and never be able to be played again if Shepard dies. That's really no different than breathing mask and alien sex.


People try to claim "Oh Science Fiction should have some kind of tangible reality, blah, blah" No it doesn't, the word science is immediately cancelled by the word fiction lol. Once that word worms in there, anything goes. Including Shepard getting plowed by a Krogan Jack's clothing or lack thereof, giant sentient machines and a space Jedi's(well I guess space is kind of redundant when calling someone a Jedi..oh well lol)

People need to stop making excuses, just say you want helmets or whatever, just because that's what you envision, don't try to claim some nonsense about realism. This isn't real, its not quasi-real, kind of real, sort or real, maybe possible or anything of the sort. Its a high fantasy video game, people could walk around naked, it wouldn't matter and it would be more entertaining


edit: ^It wouldn't matter what you wearing if you been sterilized.

Modifié par Sepewrath, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:55 .

[naledgeborn]

Estelindis wrote...

I am aware of the rule, but for me it's far better when a designer doesn't make me choose between coolness and making sense.  Why not have both? 

I'm with you on this. I was just answering your question. BioWare for some odd reason thinks breather masks, highheels in a fire fight, being exposed to vaccum, are all examples of cool therefore **** credibility or what fans think. It will be in the game.

[Bluko]

jreezy wrote...

Bluko wrote...
It amazes me how much disdain the creators of Mass Effect have for their own universe. The games might "fun" but if you want to make Mass Effect a legitimate Sci-Fi setting that will continue to have fans for many years to come you need to have some consistency.

Going a little far with the hyperbole at this point.

How so? They clearly don't care in some cases as far as I can tell.

I fail to see what's wrong with helmets. ME1 had perfectly fine helmets that let you see the characters face. And they could be toggled on and off. Not sure why it's so difficult to incorporate and why breathing masks are a better idea. How is a breathing mask "cool"? Is it cool to have Asthma now or something?

I'd like to know. Someone please convince me that breathing masks are a better idea.

Modifié par Bluko, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:58 .

[ediskrad327]

[Inquisitor Recon]

My God... one of the characters has a breathing mask rather than a full helmet. The horror...

You just ruined the franchise Bioware.