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[ODST 5723]

No one has to convince you Bluko. At the end of the day, if the masks are in the masks are in. You're either forced to begrudgingly accept it or decide that it's a game-breaker for you.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Quarians should've thrown everyone except Legion, Tali, Garrus and Shep off their ship the moment they saw they weren't gonna bother completely covering themselves up. [Grunt for some boggling reason has his arm exposed].

Krogan biceps.

Better yet, genetically engineered Krogan biceps designed to be shared with the galaxy regardless of environment.
Totally something Okeer would do, no?

[Iakus]

hhh89 wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Rule of Cool is your why, Estelindis

I am aware of the rule, but for me it's far better when a designer doesn't make me choose between coolness and making sense.  Why not have both? 

Agreed. They could've made some unique helmets.

Practical and stylish are not mutually exclusive

[Heavensrun]

iakus wrote...

1) Garrus, Wrex, Tali, and Liara were not Alliance personel.  But wore full helmets whenever Shepard did.

2) Any number of "fast and loose" merc groups, pirates, and other less than law-abiding types have no problem whatsoever with wearing sealed helmets.

3) Because the first game established these things exist.  I never said I wanted realistic.  I've been saying I want consistency.  All three games have humanoid aliens, FTL, kinetic barriers.  But Mass Effect 1 also established that helmets were still needed in hostil enviroments.

I don't blame Jade Empire for being Jade Empire.  I blame Mass Effect for trying to be Jade Empire when it was already Mass Efefct.

1)  They agreed to be on Shep's crew, so that implies that they would still be subject to whatever rules shepard saw fit to enforce on them.

2)  Fair enough, though these groups also have stormtrooper syndrome, in that generally intended to be generic in the first place.

3)  ME1 established that Shep's crew -wore- helmets in hostile environments.  That isn't the same thing.

Jade Empire)  I...What?  What does Jade Empire have to do with anything?

[ODST 5723]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Quarians should've thrown everyone except Legion, Tali, Garrus and Shep off their ship the moment they saw they weren't gonna bother completely covering themselves up. [Grunt for some boggling reason has his arm exposed].

Krogan biceps.

Better yet, genetically engineered Krogan biceps designed to be shared with the galaxy regardless of environment.
Totally something Okeer would do, no?

He was exactly that kind of mad scientist

[Ryzaki]

Sepewrath wrote...

edit: ^It wouldn't matter what you wearing if you been sterilized.

How so? No saracasm I'm curious. It's possible to remove all the bacteria from human skin/eardrums and such? Not harmful to us but they might be harmful to the quarians (and are if Shep's threat to take of his/her helmet and breath all over their nice clean ship is any indication).

[Nashiktal]

Although there is one thing I should point out.

How do we know liara's breather mask isn't due to some sort of plot device? As much as I hate breather masks we have to admit our very limited point of view here.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Quarians should've thrown everyone except Legion, Tali, Garrus and Shep off their ship the moment they saw they weren't gonna bother completely covering themselves up. [Grunt for some boggling reason has his arm exposed].

Krogan biceps.

Better yet, genetically engineered Krogan biceps designed to be shared with the galaxy regardless of environment.
Totally something Okeer would do, no?

Okeer wanted Grunt to show the world Krogan biceps? 

[Sylvianus]

Bluko wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Bluko wrote...
It amazes me how much disdain the creators of Mass Effect have for their own universe. The games might "fun" but if you want to make Mass Effect a legitimate Sci-Fi setting that will continue to have fans for many years to come you need to have some consistency.

Going a little far with the hyperbole at this point.

I'd like to know. Someone please convince me that breathing masks are better.

They are not, nobody can convince you. And that's why Chris didn't even try to argue on this point. He said it all, they just like them, even if less realistic, surely better looking design or vision than helmets;

[nitefyre410]

Estelindis wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Rule of Cool is your why, Estelindis

I am aware of the rule, but for me it's far better when a designer doesn't make me choose between coolness and making sense.  Why not have both? 

Because sometimes what is cool does not always make the best of sense and if it did make sense it would  not be cool.

Its cool because it makes no sense..

Like my favoriate...

punching  a black hole... it so absurded  its cool for fact that there is no way it can happen but  the Author that audacity to say... "Physics bah I care not for this foolishness."  and just does and then pulls off  your sitting  wide in shock that it just happened.

*Rewind*

Did that...

Yep... Just punched a black hole.

[legion999]

Ryzaki wrote...

My issue with the breathing masks is mostly consistency.

If Shep's forced to wear a helmet...so should the squaddies.

If the Squaddies can wear a breathing mask...Shep should also be able to.

If Shep had the *option* to wear a breathing mask I wouldn't care because then it's consistent. The masks and helmets provide equal protection [somehow...] and the invidiual decides what he/she prefers.

As it is...Shep has to wear a helmet no matter what he/she was wearing beforehand while squaddies can just throw on a breather and call it a day.

This.

[Nashiktal]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Rule of Cool is your why, Estelindis

I am aware of the rule, but for me it's far better when a designer doesn't make me choose between coolness and making sense.  Why not have both? 

Because sometimes what is cool does not always make the best of sense and if it did make sense it would  not be cool.

Its cool because it makes no sense..

Like my favoriate...

punching  a black hole... it so absurded  its cool for fact that there is no way it can happen but  the Author that audacity to say... "Physics bah I care not for this foolishness."  and just does and then pulls off  your sitting  wide in shock that it just happened.

*Rewind*

Did that...

Yep... Just punched a black hole.

Which works just fine in a work that takes refuge in audacity but can be quite jarring to a series that started out mostly serious.

[Ryzaki]

Not to mention...isn't one of the N7 quests on a planet with an acidic environment? I really have to wonder why anyone would expose skin in that scenario.

[Heavensrun]

Biotic Sage wrote...
Chris has the responsibility as a professional to take a higher road than Terror.  You are completely correct.

This I'm gonna say BS on.  If a customer is disruptive, you are under no obligation to be accomodating to them.  Besides that, Chris -did- take a higher road than Terror.  Terror all but explicitly said the devs are idiots for continuing on a stylistic direction he/she didn't agree with.  All Chris said was "Deal with it".  He didn't cast aspersions at Terror's intelligence or competance, which most certainly can -not- be said in return.

Contrary to popular opinion, the customer is -not- always right, nor is it always advantageous to pretend that they are.

[Sylvianus]

To be honest, how many times have we seen these breathing masks in M2 ? How many minutes in our life have we suffered when the game is over 30 hours ? Maybe there will be more minutes to see those masks, but that doesn't seem that much a disaster.

When I read this thread, I thought it was almost, mass effect is ruined...

Modifié par Sylvianus, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:05 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Krogan biceps.

Better yet, genetically engineered Krogan biceps designed to be shared with the galaxy regardless of environment.
Totally something Okeer would do, no?

Okeer wanted Grunt to show the world Krogan biceps? 

Yes. Didn't he say that the galaxy will learn to fear the bicep?

I'd sacrifice myself for that cause.

[Wulfram]

I can handwave my way past this sort of things if it's cool/sexy/funny, but the thing about breathing masks is that they generally don't even look good.

[krossbow]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Quarians should've thrown everyone except Legion, Tali, Garrus and Shep off their ship the moment they saw they weren't gonna bother completely covering themselves up. [Grunt for some boggling reason has his arm exposed].

Krogan biceps.

Better yet, genetically engineered Krogan biceps designed to be shared with the galaxy regardless of environment.
Totally something Okeer would do, no?

Okeer wanted Grunt to show the world Krogan biceps? 

Makes about as much sense as anything else Okeer talked about. For the life of me i still cannot fathom how Grunt was supposed to save the krogan.

[legion999]

ediskrad327 wrote...

GOD DAMNIT! **** you and **** your arrow in the knee jokes!

Also is that the picture Terror K was refering to?

[Biotic Sage]

Heavensrun wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...
Chris has the responsibility as a professional to take a higher road than Terror.  You are completely correct.

This I'm gonna say BS on.  If a customer is disruptive, you are under no obligation to be accomodating to them.  Besides that, Chris -did- take a higher road than Terror.  Terror all but explicitly said the devs are idiots for continuing on a stylistic direction he/she didn't agree with.  All Chris said was "Deal with it".  He didn't cast aspersions at Terror's intelligence or competance, which most certainly can -not- be said in return.

Contrary to popular opinion, the customer is -not- always right, nor is it always advantageous to pretend that they are.

Just because there is an even lower road to take, doesn't mean he took the high road.

[Sowtaaw]

is bioware forgoting something? just use the damm inferno amor as the base for a armor that make sense in a eviroment hazard without lose anything on the narrative side so that the squadies dont look stupid.

Modifié par Sowtaaw, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:07 .

[Sylvianus]

Wulfram wrote...

I can handwave my way past this sort of things if it's cool/sexy/funny, but the thing about breathing masks is that they generally don't even look good.

Lol, fair enough.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Heavensrun wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...
Chris has the responsibility as a professional to take a higher road than Terror.  You are completely correct.

This I'm gonna say BS on.  If a customer is disruptive, you are under no obligation to be accomodating to them.

But if that opinion is shared by many, then the response given to the OP even if he / she was disruptive will by implication, even if not deliberate, be also directed at the rest.

Which is why I am not bothering to discuss the issue seriously, because what I took from this thread that was quite explicit is that the devs won't give a damn about what I have to say (something I learned way before this thread anyways).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:09 .