krossbow wrote...
breaking news for mass effect 3:
In keeping with the new art direction of the series, Volus no longer need their pressure suits: Only breathing masks.
Ryzaki wrote...
Alex Arterius wrote...
Hilarious. So funny to think that one of the most controversial threads on BSN is over... breathing masks... i mean who would have seen this coming? :L
You just can't make this stuff up...
You haven't been here long have you?
There's plenty of subjects that would get this many responses in about the same amount of time.
krossbow wrote...
I still don't see how he thought this would work. If he was hoping that Grunt would Galvanize the Krogans into toughening up, he was delusional. Krogans aren't the type to be awed easily, and most would just try to kill grunt to show how awesome they were.
I get his plan, i just don't get how he thought it was a GOOD plan. Its like the step three profit problem.
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:26 .
iakus wrote...
hhh89 wrote...
Estelindis wrote...
I am aware of the rule, but for me it's far better when a designer doesn't make me choose between coolness and making sense. Why not have both?naledgeborn wrote...
Rule of Cool is your why, Estelindis
Agreed. They could've made some unique helmets.
Practical and stylish are not mutually exclusive
Andorfiend wrote...
krossbow wrote...
breaking news for mass effect 3:
In keeping with the new art direction of the series, Volus no longer need their pressure suits: Only breathing masks.
Actually there would be an established in game explanation for that. On Illium there was an add for some kind of treatment for Volus so they wouldn't have to wear the pressure suits. They were boasting about a 40% success rate, which are not odds I'd like to run. I also wonder what happens when they try to go home...
[smilie]http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g10/lpohchin/jbtalks/images/cny/disagree.gif[/smilie]Chris Priestly wrote...
Deal with it.
Modifié par don-mika, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:25 .
ODST 5723 wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Not to mention...isn't one of the N7 quests on a planet with an acidic environment? I really have to wonder why anyone would expose skin in that scenario.
Simple concept. They didn't. The visuals simply don't match up with the reality of the situation in the same way that slapping two Frictionless X's on a Spectre Master Gear AR X doesn't actually create a weapon that produces no heat.
That's what most people seem to be missing. If they see it, it had to have happened. I can disassociate from that fairly well considering how common that's become in gameplay.
In Halo, a plasma bolt would melt armor and incinerate flesh. Does it do that visually and are those weapons the most effect against flesh? No. But that's how it is in the lore. MC's armor changes between 2 and 3. It's reflected visually but it really doesn't need to be explained because it's the same armor.
In Gears of War, there's plenty of exposed skin taking everything from acid to fire, yet it's not reflected in gameplay. Does that mean that Marcus Fenix took a ton a lot of rounds in the exposed portions of his body in the game because you got lit up on screen? No. In fact, he likely didn't get touched at all.
In Skyrim, I can fight a dragon while I'm naked or wearing various types of armor. I can wear Fur Armor yet not be set on fire instantly when it's breathing fire right on me. I don't recieve any burns or extra scars, yet I get hacked up all the time. So is that visual evidence of the reality of the situation? No.
If you can accept that you didn't fight more Collectors on the base or that there was more than one Cruiser... or that what was reflected visually in the Battle of the Citadel doesn't tell the whole story then this should be an easy concept to accept here as well.
Andorfiend wrote...
Practical and stylish are not mutually exclusive
Bioware helmet designers beg to differ.
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:26 .
Bluko wrote...
ODST 5723 wrote...
No one has to convince you Bluko. At the end of the day, if the masks are in the masks are in. You're either forced to begrudgingly accept it or decide that it's a game-breaker for you.
You're right no one has to. But if they did offer a good explaination I can't really complain then can I? Has the meaning of communication been lost or what? Is this not the purpose of having forum? Look I explained earlier I don't hate breathing masks. I just hate breathing masks being my only option, which I'm very afraid they will be.
And yes this is a game breaker for me. My number one issue with ME2 was the stupid outfits that I was suppose to accept as being combat/space worthy. I get that Mass Effect is Fiction, hence all rules need not apply. But this is stooping to a level of dumb I cannot accept. There's not even any good made-up explanation for it.
Even in pure fantasy you have to explain how something works on some level.
Exactly my thought. Seriously, who dares to put that on their shepard...KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Andorfiend wrote...
Practical and stylish are not mutually exclusive
Bioware helmet designers beg to differ.
I don't think they are even styllish. But that's just me.
In Halo, a plasma bolt would melt armor and incinerate flesh. Does it do that visually and are those weapons the most effect against flesh? No. But that's how it is in the lore. MC's armor changes between 2 and 3. It's reflected visually but it really doesn't need to be explained because it's the same armor.
Modifié par strive, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:31 .
iakus wrote...
And here I like sealed suits and helmets because it showed that it's something more than science fantasy. How much more may be open to interpretation. But it said "this is the 'real world' with some changes made to how things work" It didn't throw all laws of reality out the window. It wasn't 2001, but it wasn't Star Trek either.
By eliminating that, they reduce Mass Effect, in appearance, at least, to a Saturday morning cartoon. It removes even the fig leaf that we're operating in a universe with any kind of consistent natural law. Even the Dragon Age universe has rules that can't be circumnented (yet, at least).
krossbow wrote...
Yes, but the problem that the detractors are having is the STYLE of things.
For example, Skyrim is heroic fantasy: Its not meant to be a realistic world, in that the heroes are supposed to be superhuman magic warriors who are just THAT good, or protected by magical armor and weapons (Like one's stolen from dead daedra, essentially demons).
On the other hand, Mass effect started out VERY realistic in style, with explanations for everything, explicit emphasis on biology and the differences between aliens, and realistic armor designs that WOULD protect against exposure and other threats.
Mass effect 2 however drastically changed the art styel and direction of the series, turning it into more of a rule of cool scenario, where things are expected to be unrealistic simply for the sake of looks.
THIS is whats grating on people's nerves; They were drawn to the realistic full body armor and suits of mass effect one and dislike the catsuits and breathing masks of 2 and 3.
Il Divo wrote...
iakus wrote...
And here I like sealed suits and helmets because it showed that it's something more than science fantasy. How much more may be open to interpretation. But it said "this is the 'real world' with some changes made to how things work" It didn't throw all laws of reality out the window. It wasn't 2001, but it wasn't Star Trek either.
By eliminating that, they reduce Mass Effect, in appearance, at least, to a Saturday morning cartoon. It removes even the fig leaf that we're operating in a universe with any kind of consistent natural law. Even the Dragon Age universe has rules that can't be circumnented (yet, at least).
Now see, sealed suits and helmets didn't even remotely have that effect on me. Mass Effect didn't suddenly enter the realm of sci-fi because characters were completely covered. There were already too many violations to actual laws of reality for me to think of armor as being important to the series' identity. I just set it aside with the blue telepathic women, immortal machine gods, and other things. For me, Mass Effect practically is space fantasy with a few pseudo-scientific explanations thrown on top for fun.
A better comparison would be to say Mass Effect was always a cartoon. Just before the cartoon characters wore armor, and now they don't.
strive wrote...
In Halo, a plasma bolt would melt armor and incinerate flesh. Does it do that visually and are those weapons the most effect against flesh? No. But that's how it is in the lore. MC's armor changes between 2 and 3. It's reflected visually but it really doesn't need to be explained because it's the same armor.
That would be valid, except the go out of their way to put a visual attachment on their face to make it "make sense" to justify it. Except it makes no goddam sense.
strive wrote...
In Halo, a plasma bolt would melt armor and incinerate flesh. Does it do that visually and are those weapons the most effect against flesh? No. But that's how it is in the lore. MC's armor changes between 2 and 3. It's reflected visually but it really doesn't need to be explained because it's the same armor.
That would be valid, except the go out of their way to put a visual attachment on their face to make it "make sense" to justify it. Except it makes no goddam sense.
Nashiktal wrote...
No the rebuttle is the MST3k MANTRA. In particular this quote.
"On the other hand, somebody who hopes to promote a movie can't insist
it's "just a movie" and critics should "just relax" while also expecting
they take seriously any aesop, speculation, spectacle, or anything else
of potential value from it. Anyone who expects another to be selective
of a work in exactly their prescribed way is insulting the intelligence
of the audience. This isn't about critical appraisal, but what is
necessary to tell a story. When criticism targets those things that were
simply unexplained, that's when you bring up Bellisario's Maxim.
At the same time however, one should be careful that they do not go too far and use this to justify saying that The Complainer Is Always Wrong.
Yes, there's no point in getting excessively worked up and nitpicky
about something that, at the end of the day, is just a work of fiction.
But using it as a way of brushing off any and all forms of criticism is
an equally dangerous attitude to have, and in creators can be a possible
sign of a Small Name, Big Ego at work.
"
There is a thin line between the mantra and the maxim here.
Modifié par nitefyre410, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:33 .
To you. I'm fine with it and can rationalize it with no issue.
Modifié par strive, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:36 .
Nashiktal wrote...
I don't remember the Geth having the ability to fly or float around...
No gravity doesn't mean no atmopshere.
However the reaper ship DID have a vacuume, after you shut down the ME core and jumped to the normandy. Through a browndwarfs radiation, extreme temperature, and various gasses at that.
Modifié par Heavensrun, 29 décembre 2011 - 02:45 .
ODST 5723 wrote...
Bluko wrote...
ODST 5723 wrote...
No one has to convince you Bluko. At the end of the day, if the masks are in the masks are in. You're either forced to begrudgingly accept it or decide that it's a game-breaker for you.
You're right no one has to. But if they did offer a good explaination I can't really complain then can I? Has the meaning of communication been lost or what? Is this not the purpose of having forum? Look I explained earlier I don't hate breathing masks. I just hate breathing masks being my only option, which I'm very afraid they will be.
And yes this is a game breaker for me. My number one issue with ME2 was the stupid outfits that I was suppose to accept as being combat/space worthy. I get that Mass Effect is Fiction, hence all rules need not apply. But this is stooping to a level of dumb I cannot accept. There's not even any good made-up explanation for it.
Even in pure fantasy you have to explain how something works on some level.
You can ask for something and not get it, yet still engage in converation. There's no rule that you present a desire and have that desire satisfied.
Your number one issue here is that you've already made up your mind on how things work without knowing how things work. And that's based on what you like and what you feel makes sense to you. You don't seem to have an ability to look at something, see an inconsistency and accepting them for what they are while still enjoying the story because you're so focused on the "hard science" aspect that you fail to recognize that the depiction you're viewing is clearly not trying to represent "hard science"
strive wrote...
How can you logically rationalize being exposed to a vacuum or potentially dangerous environments?
strive wrote...
How can you logically rationalize being exposed to a vacuum or potentially dangerous environments?
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