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[Ryzaki]

didymos1120 wrote...
You didn't specify that it had to be "seriously" (and I actually don't think any of them other than dying count by that criterion).  And regardless of how permanent the effects of any of those were, I don't think you can consider any of them particularly good for Shep.

Particuarly good no?

Him needing to get patched up for it? I'm not seeing that either. If I'm seeing someone needing to be patched up they probably had a serious injury.

The poison apparently he either threw up/naturally went out of his system and Eden Prime just gave him a headache (apparently he wasn't that damaged from the blast).

Plus this is consistent across the board. The only time you see any of Sheps companions getting patched up is when one takes a rocket to the face.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 décembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Heavensrun wrote...
Not saying there isn't a happy medium, but seriously, you can't just slap a helmet on Jack.  The girl's topless.  So you would have to come up with a whole suit of -armor- for Jack, that looks unique and fits her personality, and that requires dev time.  So like I said, it's about where their priorities were, and you can disagree about what their priorities -were-, but you can't present analogies that make it out like the devs were deliberately messing up their game "to look cool".

But that's the argument being presented.

Chris Priestly wrote...
These are done because teh team likes the way they look

With an acknowledgement that it's not logical.

So they are being silly for the sake of looks. You can of course argue that the looks make it all worth it, I am not arguing against that. Doesn't change the fact that it's silly. 

Of course a lot of things in ME are silly. Which brings me back to my original argument that just because a lot of things were silly, doesn't mean we need to make it sillier, especially when the whole thing is just for looks (and I find them very ugly in any case).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 décembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[RocketManSR2]

Simply giving players a choice would have prevented this entire, ugly topic.

[goofyomnivore]

I'm surprised BioWare just didn't go the route of an "Omni-Mask" and added a codex entry to justify it.

"New technological developments while you were dead Shepard...........yadda yadda mass effect fields yadda yadda holograms yadda yadda yadda etc....."

[ODST 5723]

Bluko wrote...
You can't go from sealed space suits to none at all and expect people to accept it without some kind of explanation.

They can and did.

[ODST 5723]

Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
You didn't specify that it had to be "seriously" (and I actually don't think any of them other than dying count by that criterion).  And regardless of how permanent the effects of any of those were, I don't think you can consider any of them particularly good for Shep.

Particuarly good no?

Him needing to get patched up for it? I'm not seeing that either. If I'm seeing someone needing to be patched up they probably had a serious injury.

The poison apparently he either threw up/naturally went out of his system and Eden Prime just gave him a headache (apparently he wasn't that damaged from the blast).

Plus this is consistent across the board. The only time you see any of Sheps companions getting patched up is when one takes a rocket to the face.

Legion's N7 armor patch is another example, even though you don't see the rifle shot that did it.

[Heavensrun]

strive wrote...

The mask conveys information. It says that Jack can't breathe in this environment. I actually think the guy had a pretty impressive point in that what we see in game does not exactly correspond with what is assumed to take place from a narrative perspective.

It doesn't correspond, but all of his examples there was no conflicting presentation. Shepard wears a helmet why doesn't Jack? Okay I can assume Jack is actually in a suit, but why do they need to visually show my Shepard in one if I need to assume for Jack?

Because shepard is -always- in her armor in combat, and they've got a helmet model as part of the customization.  If they -had- those resources developed for jack, I'm sure she would wear them in the appropriate situations, but that process wasn't a priority.  A single breather mask accessory is a component that can be added to any character without obscuring their identity, to convey the idea that they're in a hostile environment.  (conversely, shepard chooses to wear a helmet in those situations because (s)he prefers it?  Some people ride a motorcycle without wearing a helmet, because it's possible, even if it isn't safe, while others prefer to gear up properly.)

[Iakus]

Heavensrun wrote...

Yes, and those are all aliens.  Now let's try another exercise.  Put Liara , Ashley, and Femshep in the same armor, and hit an elevator in ME1.  If you didn't know shep was the one in the middle, would you know who was who?

Not saying there isn't a happy medium, but seriously, you can't just slap a helmet on Jack.  The girl's topless.  So you would have to come up with a whole suit of -armor- for Jack, that looks unique and fits her personality, and that requires dev time.  So like I said, it's about where their priorities were, and you can disagree about what their priorities -were-, but you can't present analogies that make it out like the devs were deliberately messing up their game "to look cool".

That arguement depends entirely on the three characters wearing identical outfits.  Even then, Liara's the one with the blue face.  And Ash has dark eyes. 

Try this one.  Liara, Ashley and Femshep are in the same elevator.  Femshep's in N7 armor.  Ash is in the blue Spectre armor we've recently seen.  Liara's in the white armor-and-labcoat getup.  All are wearing helmets (Liara's collar does appear to be capable of holding a seal).  Can you tell which one is which?

And I always thought Jack should have worn a suit of punked-out Cerberus light armor in defiance to Miranda...

And I don't know if the devleopers did this because it looks cool or they just don't care anymore.  Either's possible, imo

[Ryzaki]

KadianK wrote...

The drink was supposed to have killed him. If you listen to the man, that has accompanied you once you wake up.

If you go back, the Batarian has a suprised face... Due to the fact you're supposed to be dead.

He didn't just pass out, then wake up...

Was supposed to. The only side effect that seemed to have happened due to Shep's upgrades was he passed out and woke up groggy and with something resembling a hangover.

So yeah I'm pretty sure he passed out and then woke up later when his companions (for some mindboggling reason) dragged him to the bathroom.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 décembre 2011 - 03:35 .

[Iakus]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Simply giving players a choice would have prevented this entire, ugly topic.

Choice.  Pfft.  What is this an rpg?  

[ODST 5723]

Roethlisberger - helmet + car = broken face

[mcneil_1]

I have to say that Chris's responses was very unprofessional for a Bioware Staff Member and Community Moderator.

[ODST 5723]

They often are.  However, I've come to find many of them to be very funny

Modifié par ODST 5723, 29 décembre 2011 - 03:38 .

[Ryzaki]

ODST 5723 wrote...

Legion's N7 armor patch is another example, even though you don't see the rifle shot that did it.

True.

There was a hole.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 décembre 2011 - 03:40 .

[nitefyre410]

Heavensrun wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

strive wrote...

How can you logically rationalize being exposed to a vacuum or potentially dangerous environments?

The same way one rationalizes bring a man back from the dead after burning up in a planets atomosphere.

Actually, this bothers me way more than any of the complaints brought up in this thread.  In fact, I have a harder time buying the idea that lazarus resurrected shepard after he as dead for two years than I do buying into the notion that you can change the mass of an object with a magic ball of liquid metal.

I mean really they  could have said... Miranda uses a Phenoix Down on Shepard .

The same way the expained the breathable atmosphere on the Collector base... Mass Effect  Field.

Actually, the collector base probably keeps an atmosphere the same way earth does.  Gravity.  (and a protective magnetic field to protect said atmosphere from cosmic winds)

Here a little secert.... I  hate the Lazarus project a Sorry Excuse for a two year stop gap... NOW that is something would love the harp on to  the cows come home.  Breathing mask not  so much  one is purely visual pieace and the other is an actually story telling  pieace that was for  lack of  more pleasent term...****. Hell even Comics use Death better and  People have  die and come back all the time in those... Hell  it happens so much some writers turn in to a running joke.  /rant

The Collector. Base could used have used  Hamesters rowing a boat  and yelling row for all I care... because I was going to blow them and it to  hell anyway.  How it keep its atmosphere  could care less because the next  15 minutes its going to be dust.   

Side Note: I agree with how it keep it atmosphere.

[TMA LIVE]

Not mine, but something I found.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 29 décembre 2011 - 03:40 .

[Xeranx]

Il Divo wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seriously Terror. Deal with it.

I'm not big on the breathing masks either, but they aren't a big deal to me.  This what you say here Priestly is kind of a big deal... you guys have turned into complete douchebags.  You're like the freaks and geeks in middle school that went away for the summer and your skin cleared up or you grew some epic boobs and now you are the cool kids and can't be bothered with this geeky stuff.  Only that's not true.  You are actually nowhere near as cool as you used to be, but for some reason you guys act like you're tha bomb now.  Get over yourselves before everyone else does.  

I'm with Bioware on this one. Respect is a two-way street, in my book. The opening post was far from an exercise in politeness. There are plenty of ways to express yourself effectively. Ranting is really not one of them.

That may be so, but Priestly is a representative for the company on the boards.  He's supposed to maintain a professional attitude regardless of how he may feel about anything and everything.  That's part of business 101 and I haven't taken a single class on the subject.  

He doesn't get to ****** off potential customers with blatant nonsensical meme crap.  If he wants to have fun at someone else's expense he can play pranks on his friends who don't pay his bills or have very little influence on whether or not he retains his position.  If I was his boss he'd be fired.  Any employee that costs me a sale (on purpose) is an employee I don't need.

Now, honestly, I rolled my eyes at that nonsense because of what I said eariler.  However, I'm replying at the fact that people would defend that garbage?  No.  No matter what's going on, you - as an employee - do not have the priviledge of addressing anyone in any manner that doesn't coincide with professionalism unless the "offending party" is physically attacking you.  Period.

[ODST 5723]

jreezy wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Simply giving players a choice would have prevented this entire, ugly topic.

Indeed. 

IDK, people seem to be upset by having Action, Story and RPG mode.  It seems like someone's going to whine no matter what they do or do not let you choose because people... well... whine.

[goofyomnivore]

. A single breather mask accessory is a component that can be added to any character without obscuring their identity, to convey the idea that they're in a hostile environment. (conversely, shepard chooses to wear a helmet in those situations because (s)he prefers it?

Yes but all that conveying is moot if it isn't consistent. Instead we just have a jumbled mess. You got Thane with a enclosed mask on but his chest exposed. You got Jack with just a mask covering her nose/mouth(IIRC). You got grunt covered up except his arms. A Shepard who never wears a helmet all game throws one on when Miranda can just slap on a mask? Then you got visor-fetish Garrus all helmeted up.

Modifié par strive, 29 décembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[daftPirate]

TMA LIVE wrote...



Not mine, but something I found.

Hahaha, something that originated with/in this thread. And so the virus spreads.

[Bluko]

eyesofastorm wrote...

I've at least skimmed this entire thread and I find something interesting. This thing I find interesting is that while many people have come out against this breather-mask inconsistency and probably about as many have said that it's not an issue for them, I don't think I've seen one single, solitary little soul say that they prefer the breather-masks. So then, the question becomes; why does Bioware insist on them? I mean... they also insist that they listen to their fans. So I mean... that's kind of obviously not true at this point. And I could accept it if they gave a legitimate reason why they have to rock the breather-masks, but the official word is apparently that they like them so the fans can just suck it. Setting aside the whole, "We listen to our fans. (NOT!)" issue, it just really makes me wonder if there is anyone in the whole company that has been to business school...

This is a good point. Yes it's Bioware's game and they can do whatever they want with it. But it's in there best interest to make a product people want.

Granted we are arguing over one small part of the game. But if you have the ability to make something people would want more, uh why wouldn't you? Helmets cannot be that hard to make, especially if they have the ability to make masks.

Of course now someone will say this forum community is wrong and does represent most player's opinions. Well if that's the case shut this place down as it's totally useless for feedback.

[Ryzaki]

strive wrote...

. A single breather mask accessory is a component that can be added to any character without obscuring their identity, to convey the idea that they're in a hostile environment. (conversely, shepard chooses to wear a helmet in those situations because (s)he prefers it?

Yes but all that conveying is moot if it isn't consistent. Instead we just have a jumbled mess. You got Thane with a enclosed mask on but his chest exposed. You got Jack with just a mask covering her nose/mouth(IIRC). You got grunt covered up except his arms. A Shepard who never wears a helmet all game throws one on when Miranda can just slap on a mask? Then you got visor-fetish Garrus all helmeted up.

This is my main problem.

My Shepard used the Sentry Visior for the bonus to shielding. (Plus it was convient to my Shep in other ways including looks). Why would he/she lose that bonus if he/she doesn't have to? Why not just place on a breather like Miranda? It makes no sense.

That's why I want Shep to have a choice.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 décembre 2011 - 03:48 .

[Atakuma]

Xeranx wrote...
Now, honestly, I rolled my eyes at that nonsense because of what I said eariler.  However, I'm replying at the fact that people would defend that garbage?  No.  No matter what's going on, you - as an employee - do not have the priviledge of addressing anyone in any manner that doesn't coincide with professionalism unless the "offending party" is physically attacking you.  Period.

You are not his boss, it isn't up to you to decide wether his response was acceptable or not. What he said was hardly offensive, you act like he insulted the op.