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[daftPirate]

So...who else is excited for Mass Effect 3, eh?

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Whatever.

Shepard is the only thing that's keeping me coming back to the ME series now. As far as the universe that's presented, it seems like Rule of Cool and the whims of the artists/writers/producers won out over keeping the integrity of the setting that was introduced in ME1.

I've gone over this a thousand times in the past, but it seems like not even the fans (save a very few) care about the consistency of the ME verse or the setting that they're buying into; expecting that quality of worldbuilding and attention to detail is apparently only a naive expectation when applied to a world-class development studio (or maybe that's the problem).

So again, whatever. If Bioware thinks that the ****ing plastic masks look cooler than a proper space helmet with a visor... who am I to question their definition of "cool"? Hell, personally I think that they only gave Liara a facemask because they didn't want to go to the trouble of tweaking her outfit to allow for an actual helmet, let alone designing the actual helmet, but eh.


TBH I still find ME2, the internal logic of the setting and the story, to be such a stupid departure from the original that I pretty much have to force myself to play it nowadays. Maybe that just means that 2/3 of the ME series will simply never appeal to me like the first game did, but I'm willing to accept that.

As long as the fanboys don't keep going on about "anything goes because it's FICTION!" and "everything still makes sense because of MASS EFFECT FIELDS!", and are actually willing to admit that the setting has shifted towards more of a fantasy/unreality style of sci-fi (moreso than ME1 at least), then I'm willing to accept Bioware's change in vision.

Even if I don't particularly like it, and I think that relentless integrity of a creator's artistic vision is paramount in creating an immersive fictional world worth discussion (if the creator doesn't care about the setting, why should the fans, right?), I'm pretty well past worrying about it.

Cheers, OP!

[The Spamming Troll]

this is impossible for me to continue following.

bye!

[Bluko]

ODST 5723 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Simply giving players a choice would have prevented this entire, ugly topic.

Indeed. 

IDK, people seem to be upset by having Action, Story and RPG mode.  It seems like someone's going to whine no matter what they do or do not let you choose because people... well... whine.

That's because no one as I can ever recall ever asked for an Action, Story, or RPG mode. To be honest I don't think many people will appreaciate those modes and the effort put into them was a waste of time. I can sort of see the purpose for Story Mode since some people are not Pro-Gamers and found ME2 somewhat hard to play. 

Numerous folks on the other hand have asked for helmets and there not to be anymore breathing masks.

Imagine someone asks what you want for $10. You say you want a hat. Instead you get gloves. Perhaps they mean well, but the end result leaves everyone ultimately worse off. Granted I don't think Bioware specifically ever asked whether we liked breathing masks, but if people are coming to you to with an alternative perhaps it might be a good idea to listen and even give it a shot? You make things for the customers, not yourself.

And people were complaining about the masks since the game released, so this isn't new. It seems dense to insist on having something a lot of people don't really want.

Maybe I like 2 wheels on bicycle and see that as the most optimal self  transportation form. But if people want 3 wheels the onus is on me to make a tricycle. That or risk losing work I suppose. Generally speaking I incorporate people's feedback into my work whenever possible.

[ADLegend21]

RE preistly: he has EVERY RIGHT to tell someone to deal with it. Yes we're fans, but there comes a point where feedback becomes us telling them how to do their jobs. when that happens we jsut just have to suck it up and deal with it.

[Inspectre]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Even if I don't particularly like it, and I think that relentless integrity of a creator's artistic vision is paramount in creating an immersive fictional world worth discussion (if the creator doesn't care about the setting, why should the fans, right?), I'm pretty well past worrying about it.

Star Wars, man.

[Mclouvins]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

So...who else is excited for Mass Effect 3, eh?

I am.

Me too

[JeffZero]

Frickin' masks, man.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So... deal with it.
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[Seboist]

Dragon XIX wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Even if I don't particularly like it, and I think that relentless integrity of a creator's artistic vision is paramount in creating an immersive fictional world worth discussion (if the creator doesn't care about the setting, why should the fans, right?), I'm pretty well past worrying about it.

Star Wars, man.

Looks like BW got the idea for breather masks from ESB.

[ratzerman]

I don't know about you guys, but when I saw that breathing mask, my emotions were engaged.

Now all I need is confirmation that the Mission Complete screen is coming back. Please oh please....

[ODST 5723]

Bluko wrote...

ODST 5723 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Simply giving players a choice would have prevented this entire, ugly topic.

Indeed. 

IDK, people seem to be upset by having Action, Story and RPG mode.  It seems like someone's going to whine no matter what they do or do not let you choose because people... well... whine.

That's because no one as I can ever recall ever asked for an Action, Story, or RPG mode. To be honest I don't think many people will appreaciate those modes and the effort put into them was a waste of time. I can sort of see the purpose for Story Mode since some people are not Pro-Gamers and found ME2 somewhat hard to play. 

Numerous folks on the other hand have asked for helmets and there not to be anymore breathing masks.

Imagine someone asks what you want for $10. You say you want a hat. Instead you get gloves. Perhaps they mean well, but the end result leaves everyone ultimately worse off. Granted I don't think Bioware specifically ever asked whether we liked breathing masks, but if people are coming to you to with an alternative perhaps it might be a good idea to listen and even give it a shot? You make things for the customers, not yourself.

And people were complaining about the masks since the game released, so this isn't new. It seems dense to insist on having something a lot of people don't really want.

Maybe I like 2 wheels on bicycle and see that as the most optimal self  transportation form. But if people want 3 wheels the onus is on me to make a tricycle. That or risk losing work I suppose. Generally speaking I incorporate people's feedback into my work whenever possible.

I don't want a lot of things in ME.  I don't whine about them or have serious entitlement issues.  You do.

[daftPirate]

Mclouvins wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

So...who else is excited for Mass Effect 3, eh?

I am.

Me too

Whew! I was beginning to worry there. Cheers to you, then!

[Iakus]

daftPirate wrote...

So...who else is excited for Mass Effect 3, eh?

At this point I'm just finishing Shepard's story and walking away.   The series has been seriously Lucased

[Sylvianus]

jreezy wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Well IMO the sad part is I think people took Terror seriously. Well I didn't, thought Terror was looking for 5 secs of fame.

Terror was definitely serious.

That doesn't mean that others are forced to take her seriously even if she is serious. I think he didn't talk about her, but people.

[naledgeborn]

ratzerman wrote...

I don't know about you guys, but when I saw that breathing mask, my emotions were engaged.

Now all I need is confirmation that the Mission Complete screen is coming back. Please oh please....

 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 29 décembre 2011 - 04:28 .

[Sylvianus]

Mclouvins wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

So...who else is excited for Mass Effect 3, eh?

I am.

Me too

Well, at the very least, the breathing masks aren't what will ruin mass effect 3 for me. So yes, still excited too.

[Seboist]

ratzerman wrote...

I don't know about you guys, but when I saw that breathing mask, my emotions were engaged.

Now all I need is confirmation that the Mission Complete screen is coming back. Please oh please....

Without TIM and his theme playing they'll suck ass.