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[CroGamer002]

felipejiraya wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seriously Terror. Deal with it.

Post of the year.

Only 3 days to top it people!

[flemm]

I honestly don't think it's a big deal.

In this type of pulp sci-fi, the emphasis is always on the "fi." It's a form of fantasy, really. The "sci" part just means it's set in the future (or a futuristic setting) and involves technology.

Modifié par flemm, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:03 .

[LTiberious]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Why the only mission from which i remember Breathing masks was Legions Loyalty Mission?

Collector ship, LotSB, Tali's loyalty, the last cutscene in the Reaper IFF, a bunch of side missions. All of these had breathing masks (depending on who you brought, of course).

Well Legion and Garrus mostly.

Heh, then it seems that i dont give a damn about those damn masks


Thanks for the list though.

[Dominus]

On the very comprehensive list of "What bugs me in Mass Effect", breathing masks are definitely closer to the bottom for me. It's hardly the perfect solution, but it works. And if you don't support the idea, why not try a topic providing an alternative solution? You know, instead of heading back to...

mindless, over-the-top modern Hollywood action movie

I get where you're coming from, but it I'm not sure this is one worth fighting over.

[Heavensrun]

Mesina2 wrote...

Heavensrun wrote...

Not any sillier than faster than light travel, or asteroid fields where weaving is nessecary, or the fact that later in the same movie, they fly from one star system to another -at sublight- and it takes a matter of days or weeks rather than years, or the idea of "desert planets" or "city planets" or "frozen tundra planets" or "forest planets".  Or that people can make things float through the air or see the future.  Or laser swords.  Or any of a million other things that make Star Wars completely absurd to anybody who has  passing knowledge of physics.

Laser swords can actually work in real life.

I love how, out of all of that, you took the -one- example that you -feel- could actually be credible and ignored all the others like it's relevant to the point.  But I'd love to hear your explanation of how, exactly, a lightsaber can be constructed in real life, without invoking some other equally unproven technological concept like the typical sci-fi distortion of what force fields are actually capable of.

[eyesofastorm]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seriously Terror. Deal with it.

I'm not big on the breathing masks either, but they aren't a big deal to me.  This what you say here Priestly is kind of a big deal... you guys have turned into complete douchebags.  You're like the freaks and geeks in middle school that went away for the summer and your skin cleared up or you grew some epic boobs and now you are the cool kids and can't be bothered with this geeky stuff.  Only that's not true.  You are actually nowhere near as cool as you used to be, but for some reason you guys act like you're tha bomb now.  Get over yourselves before everyone else does.  

[LTiberious]

Heavensrun wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Why the only mission from which i remember Breathing masks was Legions Loyalty Mission?

Collector ship, LotSB, Tali's loyalty, the last cutscene in the Reaper IFF, a bunch of side missions. All of these had breathing masks (depending on who you brought, of course).

  And, it is worth mentioning, none of those took place in vacuum.

Collector Ship, Reaper IFF (still dont believe they had masks there) and Legions Loyalty mission (100%)

Vaccum! 

[Random citizen]

Has Bioware hired Mr Lucas as a consultant? Or is perhaps it Mr Boll? (I can already hear his commentary on the coolness of breathing masks posted on youtube)

[Someone With Mass]

I don't know any crystals on Earth that can create plasma, so lightsabers are going to be a tough one.

[Il Divo]

Heavensrun wrote...

I love how, out of all of that, you took the -one- example that you -feel- could actually be credible and ignored all the others like it's relevant to the point.  But I'd love to hear your explanation of how, exactly, a lightsaber can be constructed in real life, without invoking some other equally unproven technological concept like the typical sci-fi distortion of what force fields are actually capable of.

According to Star Wars sources, there's a crystal placed in the hilt that gives a lightsaber its power. Now it's just a matter of finding the crystal.

[LTiberious]

eyesofastorm wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seriously Terror. Deal with it.

I'm not big on the breathing masks either, but they aren't a big deal to me.  This what you say here Priestly is kind of a big deal... you guys have turned into complete douchebags.  You're like the freaks and geeks in middle school that went away for the summer and your skin cleared up or you grew some epic boobs and now you are the cool kids and can't be bothered with this geeky stuff.  Only that's not true.  You are actually nowhere near as cool as you used to be, but for some reason you guys act like you're tha bomb now.  Get over yourselves before everyone else does.  

He's stressed. He needs a vacation. Leave him be please.

[CroGamer002]

Heavensrun wrote...

I love how, out of all of that, you took the -one- example that you -feel- could actually be credible and ignored all the others like it's relevant to the point.  But I'd love to hear your explanation of how, exactly, a lightsaber can be constructed in real life, without invoking some other equally unproven technological concept like the typical sci-fi distortion of what force fields are actually capable of.

I was joking more or less.


Also that thing can work, just not in same way as in Star Wars.

[LGTX]

There IS no batarian space in ME3, afaik. Weren't they almost completely harvested before the Reapers invaded Earth?

Modifié par LGTX, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:07 .

[Il Divo]

eyesofastorm wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seriously Terror. Deal with it.

I'm not big on the breathing masks either, but they aren't a big deal to me.  This what you say here Priestly is kind of a big deal... you guys have turned into complete douchebags.  You're like the freaks and geeks in middle school that went away for the summer and your skin cleared up or you grew some epic boobs and now you are the cool kids and can't be bothered with this geeky stuff.  Only that's not true.  You are actually nowhere near as cool as you used to be, but for some reason you guys act like you're tha bomb now.  Get over yourselves before everyone else does.  

I'm with Bioware on this one. Respect is a two-way street, in my book. The opening post was far from an exercise in politeness. There are plenty of ways to express yourself effectively. Ranting is really not one of them.

Modifié par Il Divo, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:08 .

[goofyomnivore]

Mesina2 wrote...

strive wrote...

To everyone saying it is "sci-fi" and emphasizing the "fi" where is the science in Mass Effect? I don't really remember much science to being with, but what little there was seems to be trashed for "artistic freedom".

Watch this.

I have seen that. He talks about four or five parts of Mass Effect IIRC. Cloaking, Space Travel, Space Civilization, Space Communication and Dark Energy/Negative Matter I believe.

That really isn't anything special those issues are expected to be dealt with just like wearing armor/defense in battle and protecting yourself in a vaccuum. If anything that discredits BioWare even more. They are canceling out the "little" things in favor of artistic freedom. How can we expect them to deal with other scientific issues? How can you even build the credibility in an alien's super mega base in the center of the galaxy filled around blackholes. If they just brush aside things like vaccuum exposure? I think it is hilariously stupid for the squad to enter the Collector Base with no masks/helmets at all. Why the hell would the Collectors need oxygen? Let alone the same atmosphere as us?

Modifié par strive, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:11 .

[ADLegend21]

Terror_K wrote...

Seriously BioWare, why do you keep making these stupid mistakes. I thought you said everybody was going to get proper helmets this time, and now we see Liara in one of the latest screens wearing that same stupid LotSB breather mask. It's like you really haven't learned a damn thing about the issues people had with ME2's pyjama squad and are just so concerned about turning Mass Effect into this mindless, over-the-top modern Hollywood action movie that you don't even care about the integrity and consistency of the universe you've created any more.

She's got the best helmet of all time....plot armor. You could hit her with a damn planet and she go "barely a scratch, I'm ready Shepard"

Serious answer: their game, not yours , deal with it.

[Ramus Quaritch]

Mesina2 wrote...

Ramus Quaritch wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

You...
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WHY?
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What insane breed of logic is that?

Artistic freedom logic.

The whole point of that in science fiction is that you have some shred of credibility to make the science believable (or at least so that you can suspend disbelief).  ME1 made more sincere attempts to be scientifically accurate (like everyone being in air-tight suits in adverse conditions).  You only get so many violations of physics and science before the science fiction loses that plausibility and suspension of disbelief.  Why waste those "freebies" on shallow things like aesthetics when you can instead use them up on more meaningful things like physics-defying stunts?  (If that makes any sense)

[JamieCOTC]

Chris Priestly wrote...

jollyorigins wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seriously Terror. Deal with it.

Not exactly the best way to support your game.

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

I actually appreciate the honesty here.  I just wish the rest of the staff would do the same.

Why didn't X happen?
Because we didn't want to do it.
Fan sh*t storm arises.
BW deals w/ it. 
Life goes on.