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[aridor1570]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

LGTX wrote...

There IS no batarian space in ME3, afaik. Weren't they almost completely harvested before the Reapers invaded Earth?

I honestly don't understand why people think "Oh look a cannibal that must mean the Batarians have been exterminated" (sorry for the sarcasm)

If that were true then you got to look at another example does that mean other huskified species have been annihilated like the Asari, Krogan, Turian, or better yet Human? No seriously I really don't understand why people say that. I could be wrong be we have to wait and play ME3 to be sure.

The Alpha relay is in Batarian space, the Reapers were heading to the Alpha relay, this sums it up, really.

But... we destroyed it.

They didn't know that until they got there, and they were only 2 hours away from it, not enought time to just change their direction.

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

strive wrote...

No that is the issue some have. They aren't making sci-fi at all. It is fantasy like Star Wars. I enjoy both personally and don't really care. But let's not kid ourselves Mass Effect isn't sci-fi. It could of been but they went a different direction.

Mass Effect and Star Wars are still sci-fi.

Yup.

I don't know where the hell people have gotten the conception that Mass Effect was trying to be a realistic game with a sci-fi setting, though. 

It was pretty obvious when Shepard got mind raped for the third time.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:20 .

[DocDoomII]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seriously Terror. Deal with it.



[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Nice way to answer. Bravo.

Chris Priestly wrote...

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

AH! But then you can give a decent answer when you give it your all.
Was it that difficult to give an answer like this from the beginning?

I'm not complaining about the motivations of the masks VS helmets, just about your tone.
That's just not the way to treat your community, while at the same time saying "we listen to our community" during interviews.

Modifié par DocDoomII, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:21 .

[Izhalezan]

Ramus Quaritch wrote...


The whole point of that in science fiction is that you have some shred of credibility to make the science believable (or at least so that you can suspend disbelief).  ME1 made more sincere attempts to be scientifically accurate (like everyone being in air-tight suits in adverse conditions).  You only get so many violations of physics and science before the science fiction loses that plausibility and suspension of disbelief.  Why waste those "freebies" on shallow things like aesthetics when you can instead use them up on more meaningful things like physics-defying stunts?  (If that makes any sense)

Say it with me.
MASS
EFFECT
FIELDS


also, reverse the polarity.

[naledgeborn]

Mass Effect is science fiction.
Star Wars is space fantasy.

Big difference.

[daftPirate]

Not being big into science myself, I can't say for sure, but Legion says the station has neither air nor gravity. How far separated are air and atmosphere?

[CroGamer002]

strive wrote...

Mass Effect and Star Wars are still sci-fi.

Umm Star Wars isn't traditional sci-fi and widely believed so as not being Sci-Fi. You may want to look up the genre definition of Sci-Fi

Then Star Trek is not Sci-Fi either.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

What was the topic again?

Aparently, the Original Topic was taken out and shot with and M-98 Widow......

[eyesofastorm]

daftPirate wrote...

Not being big into science myself, I can't say for sure, but Legion says the station has neither air nor gravity. How far separated are air and atmosphere?

Atmosphere is probably classified as a collection of gases trapped by a planet's gravity.  I'm not 100% on it, but you might be able to have atmoshpere without having air that is breathable, but you wouldn't be able to have air that is breathable if you don't have an atmosphere.  

[Ryzaki]

daftPirate wrote...

Not being big into science myself, I can't say for sure, but Legion says the station has neither air nor gravity. How far separated are air and atmosphere?

Slight nitpick.

He says there is little air or gravity because Geth require neither.

The bodies fly off the second you kill them too. I'm guessing they land eventually because well...constantly floating corpses are creepy.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:25 .

[aridor1570]

I can already prove you wrong, but I rather not.

[Izhalezan]

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

What was the topic again?

Aparently, the Original Topic was taken out and shot with and M-98 Widow......

It's not like it was being useful.

[twincast]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

Your worst offender of overstraining disbelief makes for a good game because it may add a tiny amount of looking badass to some? This must have been your most unreasonable "deal with it" to date.

[JamieCOTC]

Mesina2 wrote...

strive wrote...

No that is the issue some have. They aren't making sci-fi at all. It is fantasy like Star Wars. I enjoy both personally and don't really care. But let's not kid ourselves Mass Effect isn't sci-fi. It could of been but they went a different direction.

Mass Effect and Star Wars are still sci-fi.

While both are science fiction, they lean closer to the "space opera" sub genre than the "hard science fiction" sub genre. 

[daftPirate]

eyesofastorm wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

Not being big into science myself, I can't say for sure, but Legion says the station has neither air nor gravity. How far separated are air and atmosphere?

Atmosphere is probably classified as a collection of gases trapped by a planet's gravity.  I'm not 100% on it, but you might be able to have atmoshpere without having air that is breathable, but you wouldn't be able to have air that is breathable if you don't have an atmosphere.  

I see. So these gases (not breathable air) would work for keeping Geth mainframes from burning up?

[CroGamer002]

Heavensrun wrote...

And in Legions loyalty mission, you can SEE the atmosphere.  (ironically, in that locale there -isn't- gravity, but the atmosphere is evident, particularly when you get to the window where you look out at the geth mainframe, and things fade out into the distance.  If there was no atmosphere in the station, you would be able to see all the way to the other side of the station.  Not to mention the fact that the geth mainframes would -cook- if they didn't have a heat transfer medium to carry heat away from the circuits.

Big misconception in that mission about no atmosphere.

Legion says there's little air and gravity.

Key word >little<.

Which means there there is air and gravity there, hence there's atmosphere as well.
Just because Legion adds Geth don't need any of it, people say it doesn't have.

[goofyomnivore]

Then Star Trek is not Sci-Fi either.

Okay? I never said it was. However Star-Trek does a much better of job of addressing science than Star Wars in nearly all cases.

I don't know where the hell people have gotten the conception that Mass Effect was trying to be a realistic game with a sci-fi setting, though.

It was advertised as such? "An epic sci-fi space opera!". Of course as you mention the whole concept of traditional sci-fi went out the window with things like the mind rape and the whole asari species.

Modifié par strive, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:28 .

[Mazder]

Heavensrun wrote...

(sigh)  The collectors fly.  Using wings.  Wings require a medium to push against.  There's no reason to think there was no atmosphere.  There was certainly artificial gravity, as evidenced by the piles of bodies that stuck firmly to the ground.

The Reaper had atmosphere, the researchers inside had been living there, you go in through an airlock in the first place.

And in Legions loyalty mission, you can SEE the atmosphere.  (ironically, in that locale there -isn't- gravity, but the atmosphere is evident, particularly when you get to the window where you look out at the geth mainframe, and things fade out into the distance.  If there was no atmosphere in the station, you would be able to see all the way to the other side of the station.  Not to mention the fact that the geth mainframes would -cook- if they didn't have a heat transfer medium to carry heat away from the circuits.

There is no reason to assume that -any- of those situations involved being in vacuum, and the fact that your squadmates run around those environments without space suits is a good reason to assume that they -didn't-.

There's no evidence

Well with the Collector ship example we didn't see any live collectors until the power was restored and atmospher may have been reintroduced then.
Also with that there would be speculation as to where the collectors were during this time, possibly in one room with atmosphere.

Also with the Geth ship example as to the atmosphere restricting view that is most likely a game issue unable to render that amount rather than there actually being atmoshpere.
Mind you why would a robot need any air?

[Ramus Quaritch]

Mesina2 wrote...

strive wrote...

No that is the issue some have. They aren't making sci-fi at all. It is fantasy like Star Wars. I enjoy both personally and don't really care. But let's not kid ourselves Mass Effect isn't sci-fi. It could of been but they went a different direction.

Mass Effect and Star Wars are still sci-fi.

Merriam Webster Dictionary's definition of science fiction:
"Fiction dealing principally with the impact of actual or imagined science on society or individuals or having a scientific factor as an essential orienting component 

ME1 fits that definition.  The technology of the universe (mass effect relays, the beacon, the conduit) played a huge role in the story.  ME2 went in a different direction and was more character driven, which doesn't neccesarily conflict with sci fi.  But it can when you want to make characters cool by having them wear their normal clothes + breathings masks in space instead of full space suits, for example.  I'm excited for ME3, but it is about the galactic war.  We'll have to see what role the technology of the universe plays in the war.  That'll determine if and/or how much of a sci fi ME3 really is.

[CroGamer002]

DocDoomII wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Seriously Terror. Deal with it.



[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Nice way to answer. Bravo.

Chris Priestly wrote...

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

AH! But then you can give a decent answer when you give it your all.
Was it that difficult to give an answer like this from the beginning?

I'm not complaining about the motivations of the masks VS helmets, just about your tone.
That's just not the way to treat your community, while at the same time saying "we listen to our community" during interviews.

Considering Terror was quite a douvhe in OP and it's not the first time, why should Chris or any other Bioware dev give respect to Terror?

[Random citizen]

daftPirate wrote...

Not being big into science myself, I can't say for sure, but Legion says the station has neither air nor gravity. How far separated are air and atmosphere?

I am not sure I understand your question. Air is a type of atmosphere. Atmosphere means that there is matter in a space, in the form of a gas (like oxgen, helium, or whatever). How much there is given a specific volume determins how thick the atmosphere is. A very thin atmosphere, or a toxic one will mess you up if you are not protected.

Modifié par Random citizen, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:31 .