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[Izhalezan]

Dave of Canada wrote...

All this talk of respect, no talk about professionalism. Regardless of how some might feel on the issue, Priestly still represents something on these forums and the "deal with it" attitude which is growing doesn't set a good example.

I understand, crunch time isn't fun, he's still human, ect. He's still a company representative whether he likes it or not.

It's Ocean Marketing all over again.

[goofyomnivore]

Because her character in ME1 and her brief stint in ME2 was wearing full armour.

In ME1 it was emphasized pretty clearly you had to protect yourself from dangerous atmosphere and space vacuum. The logs in the Lazarus Project also mention the dangers of exposure to a vacuum. Yet we have Miranda and Jack running around like it is no big deal.

consistency and logic

Exactly. That is all anyone wants, but it is hypocritical to support one and not the other.

Modifié par strive, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:45 .

[Mazder]

aksoileau wrote...
He's only talking like 99% of the rest of the internet forum world.  It was funny.   And Terror_K was the instigator, so what if he swung back. 

Well he is supposed to be the bigger man, he is supposed to be the more responsible one as moderator for the this site. If Terror was an instigator Priestly should have responded calmly and not just go "deal with it".
His actions are along the lines of "you mad bro?" which in my opinion is the wrong kind of conduct fro someone who is supposed to be keeping some of the order in the site, not fuelling the fire.

Modifié par Mazder, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:44 .

[syllogi]

I was one of the people who left those with stupid little breather masks behind on missions where helmets were required, if it could be helped. It did bother me, especially because someone like Miranda was useful and had dialogue I was missing on those missions, all because of "artistic license." When the whim of artists actually hinders gameplay and story, it's a bad thing.

BOO to breather masks.

[Nashiktal]

Someone With Mass wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

Not being big into science myself, I can't say for sure, but Legion says the station has neither air nor gravity. How far separated are air and atmosphere?

Sorry to be picky, but he said that the station had LITTLE air or gravity.

Although there was a vacuume on the reaper derelict when it lost power. There was also the innards of a brown dwarf swirling about with extremes of temperature and various gas/debris/dust.

Which is why I only ever bring armored/tali squaddies with me anymore. Less immersion breaking for me. As long as bioware gives me characters that are fully covered (or at least mostly covered) I can deal with it.

Garrus, Tali, legion, (and all the ME1 characters) were great, and I suspended my disbelief with grunt whom being a krogan with two sometiems three copies of organs seemed viable if not uncomfortable.

[The Elder King]

Ryzaki wrote...

I hate the breathing masks because it's not consistent.

Shep is FORCED into full helmet (FORCED) in hostile environments (Making me take off my sentry visor in favor of it). Meanwhile Miranda and Jack can just throw on breather masks? WTF?

When Cerberus revived Shep, they missed to upgrade him and make alive in hostile environments with a breather mask.

Seriously, I think that the breather maks are dumb, and I don't find them cool or awesome. I'd choose an helmet over a mask even under an aestethic poin of view. Still, it's not a big deal. I'd consider myself lucky if this would be my only complaint on  ME3 in March. In the opposite case, if there are going to be major cons in the game, this thing will be easily overshadowered.

[brainless78]

daftPirate wrote...

jreezy wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

Not being big into science myself, I can't say for sure, but Legion says the station has neither air nor gravity. How far separated are air and atmosphere?

If you're talking about the Heretic Station he doesn't say that at all.

As others have now mentioned, what he actually is that there is >little< air or gravity. Small but significant difference, my bad in this case.

"Little air" > kiss your eardrums goodbye. And your eyes. Oh, and also, it's likely to be freezing cold. This is the kind of details that just kill the suspension of disbelief for me... As a result in those missions i always took Tali/Legion/Garrus because they have an environmentally sealed suit/don't care in the case of Legion.

[Random citizen]

iakus wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

I'm leaning towards "It's not a big deal" side. What will make or break ME3 for me is the overall quality of the writing and gameplay, not whether or not I can see Liara's face when in a vacuum.  

By itself, it's not "make or break" but to me it's another sign that it's a good thing ME3 is the end of the trilogy.  Because really, I think Bioware just stopped caring about the ME universe if allergen masks are "good enough"

Those masks aren't "creative" to me.  "Creative" is working within set confines to create a workable solution.  These breath masks are just a way of saying "screw the logic MOAR AWESUM!".  It ignores ME1 entirely. Which I've long had the suspicion was the point anyway.

Of course, in ME2, no one who wore one of those masks left the ship if they had to wear one of those.  Heck, I would have dumped Liara back on the Normandy fro that last LOTSB mission if I could have.   So those masks are pretty much entirely wasted on me.

In fact, when I (eventually) get ME3, I'll probably have to make a list of who has an allergen filter and who has a real helmet and select my team appropriately.  I'd like to at least pretend I'm playing a science fiction rpg and not Jade Empire in Space.

Good post.

Modifié par Random citizen, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:59 .

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

By itself, it's not "make or break" but to me it's another sign that it's a good thing ME3 is the end of the trilogy.  Because really, I think Bioware just stopped caring about the ME universe if allergen masks are "good enough"

Those masks aren't "creative" to me.  "Creative" is working within set confines to create a workable solution.  These breath masks are just a way of saying "screw the logic MOAR AWESUM!".  It ignores ME1 entirely. Which I've long had the suspicion was the point anyway.

Of course, in ME2, no one who wore one of those masks left the ship if they had to wear one of those.  Heck, I would have dumped Liara back on the Normandy fro that last LOTSB mission if I could have.   So those masks are pretty much entirely wasted on me.

In fact, when I (eventually) get ME3, I'll probably have to make a list of who has an allergen filter and who has a real helmet and select my team appropriately.  I'd like to at least pretend I'm playing a science fiction rpg and not Jade Empire in Space.

And this is where I disagree. I always considered Mass Effect to be space fantasy, right from the get go. Disliking masks requires that I enjoyed their presence. I can't say I really liked or disliked them; I really had no opinion whatsoever. That's pretty much the level of importance they held to me, in terms of enjoyment. If Bioware went back to fully sealed suits, I'd be fine. And if they went space mask, it would again be fine. I just don't think that Mass Effect occupied any level of "hard sci-fi" that was suddenly eliminated by exposed skin in space.

As for ME3 coming to an end, I think the franchise needs to be finished, regardless of how good the third installment is. I want to see original IPs again.

Modifié par Il Divo, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:48 .

[Heavensrun]

Mazder wrote...

strive wrote...

I don't understand how some people in this thread were very adamant about giving Ashley armor but are dubbing breathing masks as artistic freedom.

Because her character in ME1 and her brief stint in ME2 was wearing full armour.
It's an equal part of her character as her family of her religious beliefs, they set it up as such in ME1 and then initially showed in the initial trailers that they had thrown her previous thoughts out of the window.

I am glad they have also shown her with armour on but they should have showed her with armour in the beginning of the ME3 trailers.

Also artistic freedom can be done without hurling stuff out of the window, as Sowtaaw said, it's more about consistency and logic than a jab at artistic freedom or anything.

I myself would have preferred some sort of gasmask thing instead of the little "hospital breather" we currently have.

But...real people change their clothes according to the situation.  For that matter, for a large portion of ME1, Ashley -isn't- wearing her armor, because she's wearing civvies.

This is all of course leaving aside the fact that in ME1 and 2 she was alliance infantry, and in ME3 she's a spectre.

[Someone With Mass]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Well, since this topic is here, I'd love to have s different design for the character's hazard gear, and what about helmets that still show their faces?

I mean Joker used one at the beginning of ME2.

I liked that one, but I was a little more worried about the rest of his body.

[Iakus]

lightsnow13 wrote...

Get off your high horse. Your opinion is not that important. This is so a non-issue. There are a few people on BSN who didn't like the masks - the rest of the people who play the game (the other million or so people who bought the game) honestly don't give two sh*ts.

You need to take the stick out of your ****. If you don't like the change - don't play the freaking game. I'm sick of people complaining and nit-picking while the BW team is working their butts off to give us a great experience - yet here YOU ARE complaing about --- masks? Really? Masks? Yes. Masks. Because THAT is what Mass Effect stands for! MASKS EVERYBODY!

People like you make me frustrated. So, to quote Chris -- "deal with it"

Yeah!  Who cares about consistency in storytelling?  It's the guns that are important! 

[brainless78]

Deleted>mistake.

Modifié par brainless78, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:49 .

[aksoileau]

Mazder wrote...

aksoileau wrote...
He's only talking like 99% of the rest of the internet forum world.  It was funny.   And Terror_K was the instigator, so what if he swung back. 

Well he is supposed to be the bigger man, he is supposed to be the more responsible one as moderator for the this site. If Terror was an instigator Priestly should have responded calmly and not just go "deal with it".
His actions are along the lines of "you mad bro?" which in my opinion is the wrong kind of conduct fro someone who is supposed to be keeping some of the order in the site, not fuelling the fire.

He probably would have responded differently if someone other than Terror_K posted.  But I see your point.

[Cheesy Blue]

As long as they don't go into high or low pressure environments (at least for me) that's acceptable. I would hate for Liara to be all like "Hai giizzzz ima inz dah spas wit mi mask lol." If that happens to be the case I'm just not going to use any of the characters with breathers in the hostile environment missions.

[BatmanPWNS]

I was just waiting for someone to mention that. You have not disappointed me, BSN.

[Nashiktal]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Well, since this topic is here, I'd love to have s different design for the character's hazard gear, and what about helmets that still show their faces?

I mean Joker used one at the beginning of ME2.

I liked that one, but I was a little more worried about the rest of his body.

You see I actually like that. I can suspend my disbelief with this when used alongside a sealed hardsuit (or equivilent.) Although joker in this case did make me pause for though on how he was surviving the vacuume. Barriers (which was used behind him) do not hold air.

[fatalfeline]

People. Calm down. This is such a minor thing and some of you are acting like it's going to ruin your entire ME3 experience. All of this came from one little out-of-context screenshot and Liara didn't even seem to be in a hostile environment that would warrant a mask (unless there's an asari plague or something) let alone a full helmet. You know, since Sheploo and Vega weren't wearing anything on their heads. Save yourselves some time and energy and don't blow such a little detail out of proportion. It's a game. An engrossing experience with wide scope, yes, but it's a game. If a little breathing mask is going to make you lose all hope in the company and ruin your faith in the product, then maybe you should take a break from ME and do something else with your time until March.

Modifié par fatalfeline, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[Mazder]

lightsnow13 wrote...

Get off your high horse. Your opinion is not that important. This is so a non-issue. There are a few people on BSN who didn't like the masks - the rest of the people who play the game (the other million or so people who bought the game) honestly don't give two sh*ts.

You need to take the stick out of your ****. If you don't like the change - don't play the freaking game. I'm sick of people complaining and nit-picking while the BW team is working their butts off to give us a great experience - yet here YOU ARE complaing about --- masks? Really? Masks? Yes. Masks. Because THAT is what Mass Effect stands for! MASKS EVERYBODY!

People like you make me frustrated. So, to quote Chris -- "deal with it"

You need to surround yourself with more important things in life if THIS upsets you.

Well if his opinion counts for less than **** then so does yours sir, which then brings your post to a pointless level as all you are doing is saying that his opinion and that of other people's are pointless, which would also put all other opinions of the games down, if devs listened to that kind of attitude ME wouldn't have gotten any popularity.
To quote you and Chris "Deal with it."

Sure his method of speaking that opinion was less than commendable, but at least he is speaking his own opinion.

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