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[nitefyre410]

[quote]eyesofastorm wrote...

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Are you saying there is no line of credibility that they could cross that you wouldn't accept?  There is a threshold of believability and immersion for everyone and it seems yours in just farther down this slippery slope than some other folks.  Live in fear... it is a slippery slope after all and Bioware is wearing skis.  

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Try this...


Heroic Age

the main Character  fought over 200 hundred hours  straight no rest and to top that HE  PUNCHED A BLACK HOLE ...

Yes.. you read that right PUNCHED  A  BLACK  HOLE  and why was that so absurded  that its awesome.. .because its complete and uttlerly  adsurded. 

There is  limit to how seriously  you take  sci-fi/fantasy to you realize its  exactly what it is  fantasy  and so you say  **** it.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[GMagnum]

omg help im n da matrix how i gt out tbh

[Heavensrun]

brainless78 wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

jreezy wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

Not being big into science myself, I can't say for sure, but Legion says the station has neither air nor gravity. How far separated are air and atmosphere?

If you're talking about the Heretic Station he doesn't say that at all.

As others have now mentioned, what he actually is that there is >little< air or gravity. Small but significant difference, my bad in this case.

"Little air" > kiss your eardrums goodbye. And your eyes. Oh, and also, it's likely to be freezing cold. This is the kind of details that just kill the suspension of disbelief for me... As a result in those missions i always took Tali/Legion/Garrus because they have an environmentally sealed suit/don't care in the case of Legion.

Actually, the human body is a pretty good pressure vessel, and can withstand even a full vacuum for longer than I'm willing to bet you think.  And besides -that-, he says little air, but you can have an atmosphere that isn't air.  "little air" could be a comment on the composition of the atmosphere rather than the pressure.  And even if it -isn't-, he doesn't define what "little" is.  Half normal atmosphere pressure?  40%?  30%?

[daftPirate]

Nashiktal wrote...

You see I actually like that. I can suspend my disbelief with this when used alongside a sealed hardsuit (or equivilent.) Although joker in this case did make me pause for though on how he was surviving the vacuume. Barriers (which was used behind him) do not hold air.

They seem to intend for them to hold air in ME2, though. Even at the end of the game, when repairs are being made to SR2, holes caused by the collector ship are covered with barriers. I can see if the science doesn't work, just pointing out that it wasn't a one time thing for convenience...rather a two time thing XD.

[argonian persona]

If ME3 had an inventory, similar to one from Skyrim or Fallout 3, I wouldn't have an issue with this. My guess is, however, that a breathing mask is one choice out of two or three and its really insignificant.

Lore in any IP is very important to players, and if Mass Effect establishes lore it is shocking and disappointing when that is breached for glamor.

[Mazder]

Heavensrun wrote...

But...real people change their clothes according to the situation.  For that matter, for a large portion of ME1, Ashley -isn't- wearing her armor, because she's wearing civvies.

This is all of course leaving aside the fact that in ME1 and 2 she was alliance infantry, and in ME3 she's a spectre.

True she was, but she was on the Normandy, away from any combat.
In combat on the other hand is another matter.
Two distinct things that we haven't seen her in any ywt in ME3, but the initial display of her not only out of her armour but also in something that was very close to what Miranda was wearing in ME2, I feel that it was a tad of a wrong move.
Corrected in the end though, so that is okay.


Yeah apparently anyone can be a Spectre now.
So much for them being an elite group of specially selectaed individulas who have to do amazing things to even get the councils attention. 

aksoileau wrote...

He probably would have responded differently if someone other than Terror_K posted.  But I see your point.

While you may have that opinion it is not one I share.

To me Chris is no better than the Trolls that infect this place sometimes.
For the most part I have not seen him in a very "Moderator" style of behaviour or level of professionalism.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

And this is where I disagree. I always considered Mass Effect to be space fantasy, right from the get go. Disliking masks requires that I enjoyed their presence. I can't say I really liked or disliked them; I really had no opinion whatsoever. That's pretty much the level of importance they held to me, in terms of enjoyment. If Bioware went back to fully sealed suits, I'd be fine. And if they went space mask, it would again be fine. I just don't think that Mass Effect occupied any level of "hard sci-fi" that was suddenly eliminated by exposed skin in space.

As for ME3 coming to an end, I think the franchise needs to be finished, regardless of how good the third installment is. I want to see original IPs again.

And here I like sealed suits and helmets because it showed that it's something more than science fantasy.  How much more may be open to interpretation.  But it said "this is the 'real world' with some changes made to how things work"  It didn't throw all laws of reality out the window.  It wasn't 2001, but it wasn't Star Trek either.

By eliminating that, they reduce Mass Effect, in appearance, at least, to a Saturday morning cartoon.  It removes even the fig leaf that we're operating in a universe with any kind of consistent natural law.  Even the Dragon Age universe has rules that can't be circumnented (yet, at least).

[Nashiktal]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Well, since this topic is here, I'd love to have s different design for the character's hazard gear, and what about helmets that still show their faces?

I mean Joker used one at the beginning of ME2.

I liked that one, but I was a little more worried about the rest of his body.

The most realistic response I can come up with is that their was some sort of Mass Effect barrier holding little amount of pressure (atmosphere) and that holographic mask or Mass Effect barrier mask was allowing him to breath for a while. But then again their will always be disagreements. This is why I ignore or don't really care about the minor details in things like ME, its not worth it.I focus on the big stuff like did they get the defination of Dark Energy right.

Well that's impossible, Barriers can not hold something like air inside. Its still better than breather masks though.

[GMagnum]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

omg help im n da matrix how i gt out tbh

tak da red pil tbh

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[Random citizen]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

But it doesn't add to the gameplay at all. It doesn't even impact on it. It's purely aesthetic, and a completely juvenile and pathetic one at that that spits in the face of sensibility just for the sake of... I don't even know what!

Frankly I don't give a rat's ass if they use breathing masks or if the Normandy was powered by a giant hamster running in a giant wheel. I hate fans who ruin sci-fi franchies by demanding it being "real" or obey stupid rules that don't really matter to most fans.

My advice is: that if you don't like it then don't play Mass Effect 3 and STFU about it.

Of course its up to the devs over at Bioware to determine how they want their game too look and work.
Just as Mr Lucas was within his rights to bring back Jar-jar in Ep2, despite the fans expressing their.. feelings against it, so does the gyus over at Bioware when it comes to the masks. No I am not saying that the masks are as bad as Jar-jar, colourful Disney landscapes and so on, but you know.. its one of those unnecessary things chipping the diamond a bit. 

[Someone With Mass]

Nashiktal wrote...

You see I actually like that. I can suspend my disbelief with this when used alongside a sealed hardsuit (or equivilent.) Although joker in this case did make me pause for though on how he was surviving the vacuume. Barriers (which was used behind him) do not hold air.

It's something which made me think that mass effect fields have adjustable density to block out air or let some objects through.

Or it could just be that Shepard's shield emitters/armor worked as a repellent and pushed the ME field away just enough for him to pass through.

[Heavensrun]

ediskrad327 wrote...

8 pages in a hour

CONTROVERSY!!!!

What I find hilarious about this thread is that anybody who has actually been on the bioware forums for an extended period of time knows full well that this is just what Chris Priestly is like, and has always been like, and I for one appreciate his wry directness.

[eyesofastorm]

nitefyre410 wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...
Are you saying there is no line of credibility that they could cross that you wouldn't accept?  There is a threshold of believability and immersion for everyone and it seems yours in just farther down this slippery slope than some other folks.  Live in fear... it is a slippery slope after all and Bioware is wearing skis.  

 

Try this...


Heroic Age

the main Character  fought over 200 hundred hours  straight no rest and to top that HE  PUNCHED A BLACK HOLE ...

Yes.. you read that right PUNCHED  A  BLACK  HOLE  and why was that so absurded  that its awesome.. .because its complete and uttlerly  adsurded. 

There is  limit to how seriously  you take  sci-fi/fantasy to you realize its  exactly what it is  fantasy  and so you say  **** it.

So what you are saying then is... no?  A fantasy world needs no rules or laws, no physics and has no need to be bound in any internally consistent way?  If that is the case, I think you are the minority.  

Modifié par eyesofastorm, 28 décembre 2011 - 11:59 .

[Andorfiend]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Why not? We like the breathing masks as evident by them returning. Terror doesn't, which is fine, but they aren't going to change. There are elements in ME that are not 100% science. These are done because teh team likes the way they look or work in ME. While not 100% good science, we feel they make for good game.

So... deal with it.

Why would bad science, particularly bad science that a 3rd grader could point out, make for a good science-fiction game? It's not like the general public is under the impression you can survive in a vacuum without protection.

You know, as it happens I just finished working on a space suit project. You could actually make a perfectly functional space suit out of spandex. In fact, NASA has. (It's never flown but was tested in a vacuum chamber.)

You cannot get around the need for a helmet however. Really, it doesn't work. If you're not maintaining a pressurized enviroment around the entire head, you'll get broken eardrums, fainting, and I'm reasonably sure bad things would happen to your eyes.

Given that ME has magic, transparent force-fields, I really cannot understand why you wouldn't just put a force-bubble around someones head, like Jokers helmet at the start of ME 2.

In fact Jokers helmet in ME 2, along with a vest that provides counter-pressure would actually have been a viable way to survive (uncomfortably) in a vacuum for a little while. Without counter-pressure on your limbs you'ld get edema and pass out after a several minutes, but you would live. (without the counter-pressure vest, you'ld be unconcious within 30 seconds and dead within a couple of minutes, tops.)

Modifié par Andorfiend, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:05 .

[Kakistos_]

argonian persona wrote...
Lore in any IP is very important to players, and if Mass Effect establishes lore it is shocking and disappointing when that is breached for glamor.

[Mazder]

Heavensrun wrote...

CONTROVERSY!!!!

What I find hilarious about this thread is that anybody who has actually been on the bioware forums for an extended period of time knows full well that this is just what Chris Priestly is like, and has always been like, and I for one appreciate his wry directness.

Indeed, it is how he is like and I for one do not appreciate it myself.
This has been my first stepping back onto the main forum in at least a year I think and things have not changed for the better at all. Things are much better in the groups than they are on the main forum as the groups can actually seemingly moderate properly rather than going "u mad" or things to that effect.

[felipejiraya]

This thread is a hall of famer.

[mineralica]

Breathing masks again?

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I'd like to know which characters will wear mask and which will have helmets. Hopefully no one decided to slap breathing mask on top of bulky armor Kaidan and James are wearing?

[Heather Cline]

I'm no fan of the breather masks either. Heck during the LotSB where Liara and whomever didn't have full body armor accompanied you in the game only wore a breather mask in a hostile environment was a break in immersion. Because especially on the hull of that ship the winds whipping about, the dangerous damage that could be caused to your body was ignored in favor of the 'iconic' look. Exposing one's skin and eyes and stuff to that kind of danger is plain insane. Look at Star Trek. Whenever someone went outside on a hull they were in some kind of protective environmental suit. Why? Because the fact is they would have died without it. Even on planets with low atmosphere and they did it. Because they included just that tiny bit of realism to hook people.

Star Wars did the same thing. Get blown out an airlock your screwed. Babylon 5 did the same thing with the star fury fighters they had. Pilots were always in a piloting environmental suit. It was for their own safety if they ever had to eject and so they wouldn't die of exposure to pure vacuum.

This is why science fiction has some basis in reality. Not everything is based in reality sure, but the whole facial breather masks and regular clothing in a hostile environment with little to no air, or what not is just not believable enough and does not allow for the suspension of disbelief that one comes to expect in a science fiction piece of work.

My two cents.

[Iakus]

argonian persona wrote...

Lore in any IP is very important to players, and if Mass Effect establishes lore it is shocking and disappointing when that is breached for glamor.

I wish more peope understood that.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

Internal Consistency is what is required for Suspension of belief. When a game or movie does this correctly, these minor matters become invisible.

Star Wars: How long was Luke on Dagobah? 2 weeks? 6 months? Nothing says, but realistically, it'd take several weeks (2 months time at least) for Luke to be able to lift stones.... If 6 months, Then the travel time is slightly believable.

Geth Base: Temperature: the colder it is, the harder to maintain the Mobile Platforms the Geth use when moving from place to place is required (such as Legion's search for Shepard). And Legion said nothing about temp.

My final say on this matter.

Modifié par Another_Golden_Dragon, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:02 .

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

mineralica wrote...

Breathing masks again?

...

I'd like to know which characters will wear mask and which will have helmets. Hopefully no one decided to slap breathing mask on top of bulky armor Kaidan and James are wearing?

TEH DEV TEAM LIKES BREATHER MASKS DEAL WIT IT