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[krossbow]

In mass effect 2 you have the option to save data on a possible cure for the genophage during mordin's loyalty mission.


But SHOULD the krogan be cured? As mordin constantly points out, the genophage causes no more deaths than occured before krogans were uplifted-- It stabilized their population to natural levels. Additionally, Krogan constantly show themselves to be violent and have trouble fitting into galactic society.


On the other hand, there are a number of very reasonable and nice krogan, like most of those you intereact with on illium or Wrex.


Do you think Shepard SHOULD have the option to cure the genophage in mass effect 3?

[mrbauxjangles]

Well if Wrex or Grunt lead the krogan i think they could be controlled but if not i would not cure it.

As for the option i have not looked at any leaked stuff but i have the feeling there will be an option but do not take my word for it.

Modifié par mrbauxjangles, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:07 .

[Eclipse_9990]

No. No he should not. Not until the Krogan race calms the **** down.

[PrinceLionheart]

Nope, I'd say the current way Wrex is working with the Krogan's is the path to go.

[Dean_the_Young]

No, but it may be necessary.

[seirhart]

I don't know about anyone else but for all of my shepards he had mordin save the data and plans on having mordin curing all krogan, Shepard is going to need an army you know and what better than the krogan

[goofyomnivore]

No, however the Council species involved during the Genophage (Turian/Asari/Salarian) need to be more responsible. Punishing the Krogan and leaving them on their planet to rot is the problem. If you're going to take wardship over the Krogan don't half ass it.

I'd cure them to beat the Reapers though.

Modifié par strive, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:28 .

[Starfishsicko]

I dont really think its all that easy to answer. Its probably right in the short term, but it could become very dangerous in the long term.

[Eclipse_9990]

seirhart wrote...

I don't know about anyone else but for all of my shepards he had mordin save the data and plans on having mordin curing all krogan, Shepard is going to need an army you know and what better than the krogan

This doesn't make sense. Curing them isn't going to magicically summon a hoard of battle ready Krogan. There will just be a crap load of babies for them to take care of. You might as well just clone them. 

[krossbow]

I have to say though, the genophage is a rather horrible way to reduce population growth.


Reducing the birthrate is fine, but doing it by making the babies STILLBORN is just horrific. Its not like your causing them to not form egg cells as much or something, your producing MILLIONS of infant corpses that they have to look at and dispose of.

The psychological effects are far more gruesome than simply them not having babies as much.

[KadianK]

Do you think Shepard SHOULD have the option to cure the genophage in mass effect 3?

Yeah, and while we're at it, we'll cure the Rachni Genophage. 
The universe will become a all out war between the Krogans and the Rachni... Every other race will be slaughted due to overwhelming numbers.

In my opinion they is enough Krogan's as it is, I see just as many Krogan's as I do Humans...

Obviously due to the fact that the Genophage lowers the Krogan's breeding to that of a humans. 

[Quyk Sylvyr]

I say yes:

1. A lot of krogan are going to die in the war with the reapers. While their population may be "stable" for now, that might not be the case after the war.

2. I'm not convinced that the current birth rate will sustain the krogans considering their personality. A lot of people assume that Mordin was correct in assuming that this level of birth rates would sustain the krogans; however, keep in mind that in ME1, Wrex assumed that the current birth rate would eventually cause krogans to go extinct because so many krogans don't settle down.

3. Indications from both ME1 and 2 suggest that the krogan have lost much of their culture since the genophage. In ME2, Mordin even admits that the krogan reaction to the genophage was very visceral.

4. Keep in mind the turians originally released the genophage without even trying to negotiate with the krogans. The turians released the genophage as soon as it was created.

5. Most importantly, Shepard is going to be asking the krogans to die for the universe in ME3. How is it right that when necessary the krogans are used precisely because of their aggressiveness; however, when there's no war, they're shunned?

[Slayer299]

No,definitely not, the genophage needs to stay in place. Wrex has a good plan, but overall the Krogan need a change long-term, not just Wrex's lifespan and curing the genophage won't do that by itself.

[Eclipse_9990]

Quyk Sylvyr wrote...

I say yes:

1. A lot of krogan are going to die in the war with the reapers. While their population may be "stable" for now, that might not be the case after the war.

2. I'm not convinced that the current birth rate will sustain the krogans considering their personality. A lot of people assume that Mordin was correct in assuming that this level of birth rates would sustain the krogans; however, keep in mind that in ME1, Wrex assumed that the current birth rate would eventually cause krogans to go extinct because so many krogans don't settle down.

3. Indications from both ME1 and 2 suggest that the krogan have lost much of their culture since the genophage. In ME2, Mordin even admits that the krogan reaction to the genophage was very visceral.

4. Keep in mind the turians originally released the genophage without even trying to negotiate with the krogans. The turians released the genophage as soon as it was created.

5. Most importantly, Shepard is going to be asking the krogans to die for the universe in ME3. How is it right that when necessary the krogans are used precisely because of their aggressiveness; however, when there's no war, they're shunned?

No one could negotiate with the Krogans. They were out of control; taking over peoples colonies, and planets, bullying the other races, and throwing their weight around. It was war, and the Krogans deserved to be "genophaged". 

Abraham_uk wrote...

Yes. The genophage was wrong. It was a means of controlling a population that was deemed to be a threat.

They were a threat. If you were one of the people in charge of making the genophage decision would you work against it, and if so what would you have as an alternative solution? 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:27 .

[Abraham_uk]

Yes. The genophage was wrong. It was a means of controlling a population that was deemed to be a threat. Salarian paranoia and unprovable supposition. I'm curing that damn disease if I can.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:22 .

[Abraham_uk]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Quyk Sylvyr wrote...

I say yes:

1. A lot of krogan are going to die in the war with the reapers. While their population may be "stable" for now, that might not be the case after the war.

2. I'm not convinced that the current birth rate will sustain the krogans considering their personality. A lot of people assume that Mordin was correct in assuming that this level of birth rates would sustain the krogans; however, keep in mind that in ME1, Wrex assumed that the current birth rate would eventually cause krogans to go extinct because so many krogans don't settle down.

3. Indications from both ME1 and 2 suggest that the krogan have lost much of their culture since the genophage. In ME2, Mordin even admits that the krogan reaction to the genophage was very visceral.

4. Keep in mind the turians originally released the genophage without even trying to negotiate with the krogans. The turians released the genophage as soon as it was created.

5. Most importantly, Shepard is going to be asking the krogans to die for the universe in ME3. How is it right that when necessary the krogans are used precisely because of their aggressiveness; however, when there's no war, they're shunned?

No one could negotiate with the Krogans. They were out of control; taking over peoples colonies, and planets, bullying the other races, and throwing their weight around. It was war, and the Krogans deserved to be "genophaged". 

Wrex could be reasoned with. He is a Krogan. He managed to reason with the other Krogan.

[Slayer299]

Quyk Sylvyr wrote...

5. Most importantly, Shepard is going to be asking the krogans to die for the universe in ME3. How is it right that when necessary the krogans are used precisely because of their aggressiveness; however, when there's no war, they're shunned?

Seriously??? So what if they're being asked to die because its not like the Reapers are going to give gthem a pass because of the Genophage. Even if the Krogan decide *not* to fight (which is just 20 shades of completely STUPID on their part) they'[re going to get wiped out, so it comes down to Fighting with Shep and possibly surviving or being stupid and saying "nah nah we won't help you without the cure or else!" Which will just have them dead anyway.

[KadianK]

Question, who the hell gave the bloody Krogan's Nuclear Technology, and the ability to get off their planet in the first place.

If you ask me, their the arsewipes.

Modifié par KadianK, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:32 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

I wouldn't cure the genophage. Wrex is one of the only krogan I've seen who wouldn't willingly try to take over the galaxy again if given half a chance.

It would be nice if we got to choose in ME3 whether we cure the genophage or not rather than having the plot decide for us.

[krossbow]

Question, who the hell gave the bloody Krogan's Nuclear Technology,

Krogans gave krogans Nuclear technology; They invented nuclear weapons all by themselves and plunged their planet into nuclear winter.

So, We've established that krogans are the arsewipes then?

Abraham_uk wrote...


Wrex could be reasoned with. He is a Krogan. He managed to reason with the other Krogan.

He managed to reason with them via shows of strength, hence the head butting. Krogans, as a culture, only understand one thing: Power.


You show them strength in order to reason with them, much like flaunting military strength to avoid an invasion

Modifié par krossbow, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:36 .

[Big I]

From a gameplay perspective it seems clear that curing the genophage is the right choice. The leaked beta Sur'Kesh scenes show that curing the genophage is the key to forging an alliance between the krogans and the turians, which is needed to get the turians on Shepard's side.


From an in-universe perspective I think the genophage is, as Shepard might put it,  "an atrocity bordering on a war crime." It's destroyed any hope (until very recently) of krogan society advancing beyond ad-hoc barbarism and despotism, has irrevocanbly tied krogan feelings of value and self-worth to fertility (particualrly for women), and has even raised the possibility of a krogan extinction. It's sick.


As for Mordin's justification that they only adjusted it to pre-industrial levels, that means they adjusted it to before krogan children had access to reliable medicine, shelter, and protection from predators. It would be like adjusting the human birth rate to be equivalent to the infant mortality rate in Europe in the dark ages.

[Eclipse_9990]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Quyk Sylvyr wrote...

I say yes:

1. A lot of krogan are going to die in the war with the reapers. While their population may be "stable" for now, that might not be the case after the war.

2. I'm not convinced that the current birth rate will sustain the krogans considering their personality. A lot of people assume that Mordin was correct in assuming that this level of birth rates would sustain the krogans; however, keep in mind that in ME1, Wrex assumed that the current birth rate would eventually cause krogans to go extinct because so many krogans don't settle down.

3. Indications from both ME1 and 2 suggest that the krogan have lost much of their culture since the genophage. In ME2, Mordin even admits that the krogan reaction to the genophage was very visceral.

4. Keep in mind the turians originally released the genophage without even trying to negotiate with the krogans. The turians released the genophage as soon as it was created.

5. Most importantly, Shepard is going to be asking the krogans to die for the universe in ME3. How is it right that when necessary the krogans are used precisely because of their aggressiveness; however, when there's no war, they're shunned?

No one could negotiate with the Krogans. They were out of control; taking over peoples colonies, and planets, bullying the other races, and throwing their weight around. It was war, and the Krogans deserved to be "genophaged". 

Wrex could be reasoned with. He is a Krogan. He managed to reason with the other Krogan.

Before the war started the Krogans were forcefully taking over the colonies, and worlds of other races. I'm sure they did try diplomacy with the Krogan warlords, but it didn't, and I'm sure it wouldn't have worked. So they turned to the awesome Turians who's awesome philosophy isn't just to beat an enemy, but to make sure that enemy isn't a threat ever again.

The Krogan brought the genophage on themselves, and deserved everything they got. Like I said their race need to calm the **** down before they get their breeding rights back. 

KadianK wrote...

Question, who the hell gave the bloody Krogan's Nuclear Technology, and the ability to get off their planet in the first place.

If you ask me, their the arsewipes.

Krogans developed nukes themselves. Thats why their planet looks like crap. Too many trigger happy Krogans with super weapons. 

As for the ability to get off planet yeah the other races were to blame for that, but they needed them to fight rachni. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:44 .

[KadianK]

krossbow wrote...

Question, who the hell gave the bloody Krogan's Nuclear Technology,

Krogans gave krogans Nuclear technology; They invented nuclear weapons all by themselves and plunged their planet into nuclear winter.

So, We've established that krogans are the arsewipes then?

Krogan Scientists, don't exist, and this crap.

Yet, on more then one occassion we have met a Krogan Doctor.

So Krogan's also built the ships that allowed them to get off their planet, and go to other planets?

I find it hard to believe that Krogan's advanced in Technology faster than the Humans. 

[krossbow]

KadianK wrote...

krossbow wrote...

Question, who the hell gave the bloody Krogan's Nuclear Technology,

Krogans gave krogans Nuclear technology; They invented nuclear weapons all by themselves and plunged their planet into nuclear winter.

So, We've established that krogans are the arsewipes then?

Krogan Scientists, don't exist, and this crap.

Yet, on more then one occassion we have met a Krogan Doctor.

So Krogan's also built the ships that allowed them to get off their planet, and go to other planets?

I find it hard to believe that Krogan's advanced in Technology faster than the Humans. 

I don't see how you can debate this; Its canon and verified in multiple sources that krogans were very well able to construct nuclear weapons without outside help.
Its why they were so happy to be uplifted; their planet was dying from nuclear winter when the salarians found them.


Secondly, we HAVE met krogan scientist. The lord high researcher as an example (and, to a lesser degree, the mechanic's pretty smart). As the lord high researcher demonstrates, Krogans LOVE science if it means building weapons-- and Nukes are pretty big weapons.
Your vastly underestimating the krogan's intelligence if you think they are unable to research technology.

[Homey C-Dawg]

KadianK wrote...
I find it hard to believe that Krogan's advanced in Technology faster than the Humans. 

Who says they did? When the salarians found the krogan they had already developed nuclear weapons and bombed themselves back to the stone age at least once, maybe more. That was thousands of years ago.

They aren't working on the same timeline as humans. Krogan may have been a sentient species for hundreds of thousands or even millions of years for all we know and their violent nature simply capped their advancement ability. To be able to ruin a planet like they have Tuchanka would probably take a long time.