AlexXIV wrote...
And there I was thinking we blew the thing up to hold the Reaper invasion. Silly me.
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...
Because they see no point in staying on Tuchanka a building a family of their own. Many have just given up and resort to unsavory careers.
That is true, but what Wrex is doing for the Krogan(that is if Wrex is alive, if we're talking about Wreave here there shouldn't be a cure.. Ever.) is in their best interests for now. The Krogan will be forced to change in different ways. There won't be so many Krogan killing each other over petty squabbles, they will learn to be diplomatic, and not so aggressive.
AlexXIV wrote...
All species have some skeletons in the closet. So we can take messures to 'equalize' all of them or let them all have their flaws in a conctruct that allows all civilisations to thrive. Despite the one or other 'accident'. That's pretty much how our world works as well.
krossbow wrote...
Heck, they're even learning to respect intelligence over brute force now again. The mechanic and the lord head scientist are both examples of krogans who realize just how important intelligence can be.
When the salarians showed up it undercut them a bit-- why bother being a scientis if you can just contract another race that specializes in it after all? Its similiar to how the reapers and the citadel undercut the council races by causing them to stop researching non-mass effect technology.
Wrex, if given enough time, could drastically correct krogan society--- but ONLY because the genophage gives his views the leverage they need.
Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:15 .
AlexXIV wrote...
All species have some skeletons in the closet. So we can take messures to 'equalize' all of them or let them all have their flaws in a conctruct that allows all civilisations to thrive. Despite the one or other 'accident'. That's pretty much how our world works as well.
Modifié par krossbow, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:15 .
Yeah I wasn't saying that. But Mordin adjusted the Genophage once and he can work on a solution that fixes the problem. For all I care they can be as agressive as they want as long as they accept a galactic treaty, keep their traditions and culture within their own borders and if visiting other cultures respect their laws and their culture. I think we want the same thing, these are just questions of 'fine tuning' tbh.Eclipse_9990 wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
All species have some skeletons in the closet. So we can take messures to 'equalize' all of them or let them all have their flaws in a conctruct that allows all civilisations to thrive. Despite the one or other 'accident'. That's pretty much how our world works as well.
So we should just cure the Krogan? Just let them rebuild their numbers, and go on a killing spree then? "Who cares if countless members of other races get killed, or subjuggated? No body's perfect!" (I know you're not saying that I'm just exaggerating).
vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...
Not every race fits into the same cookie cutter mold. Its the diversity of the dough that makes the cookies taste so good.
AlexXIV wrote...
Yeah I wasn't saying that. But Mordin adjusted the Genophage once and he can work on a solution that fixes the problem. For all I care they can be as agressive as they want as long as they accept a galactic treaty, keep their traditions and culture within their own borders and if visiting other cultures respect their laws and their culture. I think we want the same thing, these are just questions of 'fine tuning' tbh.
Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:23 .
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...
Not every race fits into the same cookie cutter mold. Its the diversity of the dough that makes the cookies taste so good.
Except when that one bit of diversity wants to kill, and destroy every other bit of diversity. Then the cookies taste like pain, tears, and blood.
krossbow wrote...
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...
Not every race fits into the same cookie cutter mold. Its the diversity of the dough that makes the cookies taste so good.
Except when that one bit of diversity wants to kill, and destroy every other bit of diversity. Then the cookies taste like pain, tears, and blood.
Ah, raisin cookies, got it.
ODST 5723 wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
No, but it may be necessary.
This is my take as well.
Modifié par Purge the heathens, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:24 .
Purge the heathens wrote...
@AlphaDormante
I think it's less about bolstering their numbers and more about this:
Krogans: "**** Earth, why should we care? Our species is dying, damn it!"
Shepard: "Well, I have this genophage cure..."
Krogans: "We need to liberate Earth or all is lost!"
Horrible idea tbh. Especially since it's been used by George Lucas already. Also, Grunt is a clone as well. And his quality is excellent, just as a side note.AlphaDormante wrote...
ODST 5723 wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
No, but it may be necessary.
This is my take as well.
Out of curiosity, is this "necessity" in the form of the Reapers? Because if so, I can't say I agree.
Like asari, the average krogan lifespan is about 1000 years, right? It can probably be assumed that they'd mature at about the same rate. Liara says she's barely an adult at around age 100, and I distinctly remember an asari mentioning somewhere that she was in her 60s/70s/around that range and ready to get out of the house, which can be presumed as the late teens age. Meaning it takes them a while to mature.
Now consider this: krogan aren't born with an assault rifle in hand, ready to mow down their enemies. They need to be carried to term (a length of time that's also unknown), then they need to mature, and then they need training. If we're assuming that they develop along the same path as asari...that's looking at several decades. And I really don't think the Reapers are going to sit around for decades, twiddling their Cthulu-tentacles and waiting for an army of krogan to be raised.
If we're looking at a bunch of krogan for our forces, I think we'd actually be better off taking a page from Jedore's book. Clone a bunch and let them loose. Maybe they won't be quite as good as regular krogan, but throw them at ground forces like husks and Cerberus troops and that's already a load off of our back.
AlphaDormante wrote...
ODST 5723 wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
No, but it may be necessary.
This is my take as well.
Out of curiosity, is this "necessity" in the form of the Reapers? Because if so, I can't say I agree.
Like asari, the average krogan lifespan is about 1000 years, right? It can probably be assumed that they'd mature at about the same rate. Liara says she's barely an adult at around age 100, and I distinctly remember an asari mentioning somewhere that she was in her 60s/70s/around that range and ready to get out of the house, which can be presumed as the late teens age. Meaning it takes them a while to mature.
Now consider this: krogan aren't born with an assault rifle in hand, ready to mow down their enemies. They need to be carried to term (a length of time that's also unknown), then they need to mature, and then they need training. If we're assuming that they develop along the same path as asari...that's looking at several decades. And I really don't think the Reapers are going to sit around for decades, twiddling their Cthulu-tentacles and waiting for an army of krogan to be raised.
Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:29 .
AlexXIV wrote...
Horrible idea tbh. Especially since it's been used by George Lucas already. Also, Grunt is a clone as well. And his quality is excellent, just as a side note.
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Edit: Except for the Jedore thing. I'm not too sure if that would be a good idea.
Yeah well, cloning may still be a matter of years, not months. So you can probably not build an army that way anyway. ThankAlphaDormante wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Horrible idea tbh. Especially since it's been used by George Lucas already. Also, Grunt is a clone as well. And his quality is excellent, just as a side note.Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Edit: Except for the Jedore thing. I'm not too sure if that would be a good idea.
Oh, I don't think it's a good idea either. I'm just putting that out there for people who are insistent on a krogan army, since...I'm pretty sure we're not gonna get one any other way.
Although re: Grunt. To be fair, we don't know what age he was cloned at. His biological age may be younger than any other krogan in the series...but all of the other krogan are mulitple centuries old, as far as we can tell. So it doesn't count for much in the long run.
Modifié par SheppardJohn, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:47 .
AlexXIV wrote...
Yeah well, cloning may still be a matter of years, not months. So you can probably not build an army that way anyway. ThankAlphaDormante wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Horrible idea tbh. Especially since it's been used by George Lucas already. Also, Grunt is a clone as well. And his quality is excellent, just as a side note.Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Edit: Except for the Jedore thing. I'm not too sure if that would be a good idea.
Oh, I don't think it's a good idea either. I'm just putting that out there for people who are insistent on a krogan army, since...I'm pretty sure we're not gonna get one any other way.
Although re: Grunt. To be fair, we don't know what age he was cloned at. His biological age may be younger than any other krogan in the series...but all of the other krogan are mulitple centuries old, as far as we can tell. So it doesn't count for much in the long run.Shepardgod.
chaosomegas wrote...
it would gave them something to fight for a future.
today we fight for tomorrow we breed.
Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:52 .
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
chaosomegas wrote...
it would gave them something to fight for a future.
today we fight for tomorrow we breed.
So.. Does that mean we can just tell them we have a cure, and then after the Reaper invasion is done be like "Lol just kidding!".
'Cause I can get on board with that idea.
no if we don't cure them the krogans will grow out of it ****** at galaxy for not cure them this way we look like heros to the krogans they rebuild they world because they will have a future to give to they childrenEclipse_9990 wrote...
chaosomegas wrote...
it would gave them something to fight for a future.
today we fight for tomorrow we breed.
So.. Does that mean we can just tell them we have a cure, and then after the Reaper invasion is done be like "Lol just kidding!".
I can get on board with that idea.
Modifié par chaosomegas, 30 décembre 2011 - 01:10 .
Modifié par SnakeStrike8, 30 décembre 2011 - 01:21 .
AlphaDormante wrote...
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
chaosomegas wrote...
it would gave them something to fight for a future.
today we fight for tomorrow we breed.
So.. Does that mean we can just tell them we have a cure, and then after the Reaper invasion is done be like "Lol just kidding!".
'Cause I can get on board with that idea.
Ah, yes, "genophage cure". We have dismissed that claim.
chaosomegas wrote...
no if we don't cure them the krogans will grow out of it ****** at galaxy for not cure them this way we look like heros to the krogans they rebuild they world because they will have a future to give to they childrenEclipse_9990 wrote...
chaosomegas wrote...
it would gave them something to fight for a future.
today we fight for tomorrow we breed.
So.. Does that mean we can just tell them we have a cure, and then after the Reaper invasion is done be like "Lol just kidding!".
I can get on board with that idea.
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