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[chaosomegas]

800 CE-2185 CE sorry i going by codex timeline it only took 2 krogan life times for they bodys to cure them. they will live and numbers will return normal they'll be ****** at galaxy. they only need 25 males 25 females rebreed the krogan.

[KadianK]

chaosomegas wrote...

800 CE-2185 CE sorry i going by codex timeline it only took 2 krogan life times for they bodys to cure them. they will live and numbers will return normal they'll be ****** at galaxy. they only need 25 males 25 females rebreed the krogan.

Agreed.

[chaosomegas]

this only time we have to cure them and look good doing it. it like be the doctor who a cures all cancer. we don't it like same doctor hides the cure
(good rep) cure them 30 percent chance we have war with them
(bad rep) do nothing 100 percent chance we will have war with them
im put my bet on good rep

Modifié par chaosomegas, 30 décembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[krossbow]

AlexXIV wrote...

Horrible idea tbh. Especially since it's been used by George Lucas already. Also, Grunt is a clone as well. And his quality is excellent, just as a side note.

Grunt's also an idiot. I guess for someone who doesn't do anything but fight in an army his entire life (Nothing against military personel; i'm saying for someone who's never intended to ever leave the battlefield his entire life) he's not that bad, but some of his thinking is just cringe inducing.

Without shepard his thinking would probably have gotten him thrown out an airlock.

[Virginian]

Paragon's should cure it because it is the morally right thing to do.

Renegade's should cure it because krogans are a species of Chuck Norrises/Norisies/however you spell it that will rape the Reapers.

Paragade/Renegon's they are just politicians bending to the desires of the crowd in front of them. They do not have the brain functinality to make a decision like that.

[KadianK]

krossbow wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Horrible idea tbh. Especially since it's been used by George Lucas already. Also, Grunt is a clone as well. And his quality is excellent, just as a side note.

Grunt's also an idiot. I guess for someone who doesn't do anything but fight in an army his entire life (Nothing against military personel; i'm saying for someone who's never intended to ever leave the battlefield his entire life) he's not that bad, but some of his thinking is just cringe inducing.

Without shepard his thinking would probably have gotten him thrown out an airlock.

Grunt's not stupid. He's the smartest Krogan alive, what you have to consider is that, he's a child. Just born into a fully grown body.
Grunt is still being raised. Shepard is giving him Moral Guidance, and showing him the way forward.

Grunt's first instinct is to kill, but as you can see he can be reasoned with.

[mybudgee]

Yeah, IMO the genophage needs to be tweeked but not eradicated. The Krogan are just too hard to contain.

[Random citizen]

I support curing them, but you know, something must be done about their birthrate in one way or another. Perhaps a new genetic solution that makes the female only fertile one week per hundred years or something.

[KadianK]

Random citizen wrote...

I support curing them, but you know, something must be done about their birthrate in one way or another. Perhaps a new genetic solution that makes the female only fertile one week per hundred years or something.

Their birthrate is that of a human's, also they live for 10x the amount of time as a human, I don't know what their issue is to be honest.

[krossbow]

KadianK wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

I support curing them, but you know, something must be done about their birthrate in one way or another. Perhaps a new genetic solution that makes the female only fertile one week per hundred years or something.

Their birthrate is that of a human's, also they live for 10x the amount of time as a human, I don't know what their issue is to be honest.

Its no different than the issue that crops up in third world countries. Like it or not, Humans breed at a dangerous level without high levels of either discipline or birth control-- We evolved our rate to deal with pre-modern standards of medicine and technology, where we'd die in droved from disease and other outside dangers.

We humans have had our birthrates explode at an uprescedented level since we've created medical advances, and this is most pronounced in areas lacking education (most specifically, in developing nations), which limits knowledge of birth control options or ways to protect against pregnancy. This leads to much larger families than exist in areas with high rates of education.

In a similiar manner, Krogan society places very little emphasis (if any) on education, leading to the same situation, wherein Krogan do not police their own population growth properly. Its the same issue that we humans face.

[Swampthing500]

No, for a number reasons.

First, the Genophage just reduces the Krogan birth-rate. It is the Krogan and their culture that is killing them, not the virus.

Second, a bunch of cannon fodder would not be helpful against a race of sentient dreadnoughts. You need heavy fire-power on ships, not legions of foot-soldiers.

Third, if the galaxy wins, the Krogan as just going to screw things up even more. The last thing recovering, war-torn civilizations need is a large number of aggressive, violent creatures breeding uncontrolled.

[KadianK]

Swampthing500 wrote...

No, for a number reasons.

First, the Genophage just reduces the Krogan birth-rate. It is the Krogan and their culture that is killing them, not the virus.

Second, a bunch of cannon fodder would not be helpful against a race of sentient dreadnoughts. You need heavy fire-power on ships, not legions of foot-soldiers.

Third, if the galaxy wins, the Krogan as just going to screw things up even more. The last thing recovering, war-torn civilizations need is a large number of aggressive, violent creatures breeding uncontrolled.

Agreed. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Before the war started the Krogans were forcefully taking over the colonies, and worlds of other races. I'm sure they did try diplomacy with the Krogan warlords, but it didn't, and I'm sure it wouldn't have worked. So they turned to the awesome Turians who's awesome philosophy isn't just to beat an enemy, but to make sure that enemy isn't a threat ever again.

The Krogan brought the genophage on themselves, and deserved everything they got. Like I said their race need to calm the **** down before they get their breeding rights back.

You mean the retarded turians who utterly abused the genophage - since the genophage was supposed to be used as a warning to Krogans - yet the turans decided to use it on every krogan world.

Krogan overly agressive? Turian turds are just as bad.

[chaosomegas]

Swampthing500 wrote...

No, for a number reasons.

First, the Genophage just reduces the Krogan birth-rate. It is the Krogan and their culture that is killing them, not the virus.

Second, a bunch of cannon fodder would not be helpful against a race of sentient dreadnoughts. You need heavy fire-power on ships, not legions of foot-soldiers.

Third, if the galaxy wins, the Krogan as just going to screw things up even more. The last thing recovering, war-torn civilizations need is a large number of aggressive, violent creatures breeding uncontrolled.

first here history lesson from codex about the genophage
The genophage bioweapon was created to end the Krogan Rebellions. From the start, the krogan had overwhelmed the Council. Only timely first contact with the turians saved the Council races. The turians fought the krogans to a standstill, but the sheer weight of krogan numbers indicated the war could not be won through conventional means. The turians collaborated with the salarians to genetically engineer a counter to the rapid breeding of the krogan. The genophage virus gained the energy to replicate by "eating" key genetic sequences. Every cell in every krogan had to be altered for the weapon to be foolproof; otherwise the krogan could have used gene therapy to fix the affected tissues. Once a genophage strain could find no more genes to eat, it would starve and die, limited spin-off mutation and contamination. This "created" genetic flaw is hereditary. The salarians believed the genophage would be used as a deterrent, a position the turians viewed as naive. Once the project was complete, the turians mass produced and deployed it. The krogan homeworld, their colonies, and all occupied worlds were infected. The resulting mutation made only one in a thousand krogan pregnancies carry to term. It did not reduce fertility, but offspring viability. The rare females able to carry children to term became prizes the krogan warlords fought brutal battles over. The krogan are a shadow of their former glory. While the Rebellions took place centuries ago, they are constantly reminded of the horror of the genophage and of their inability to counter it. The release of the genophage is still controversial, bitterly debated in many circles.
second Krogan: Culture
The harsh krogan homeworld conditioned the krogan psychology for toughness just as it did the body. Krogan have always had a tendency to be selfish, unsympathetic, and blunt. They respect strength and self-reliance and are neither surprised nor offended by treachery. The weak and selfless do not live long. In their culture, "looking out for number one" is simply a matter of course. After their defeat in the Rebellions, the very concept of krogan leadership was discredited. Where a warlord could once command enough power to bring entire solar systems to heel and become Overlord, these days it is rare for a single leader to have more than 1,000 warriors swear allegiance to him. Most krogan trust and serve no one but themselves. This solitary attitude stems in part from a deep sense of fatalism and futility, a profound social effect of the genophage that caused krogan numbers to dwindle to a relative handful. Not only are they angry that the entire galaxy seems out to get them, the krogan are also generally pessimistic about their race's chances of survival. The surviving krogan see no point to building for the future; there will be no future. The krogan live with an attitude of "kill, pillage, and be selfish, for tomorrow we die."

[chaosomegas]

im starting think people forgot about codex

[krossbow]

chaosomegas wrote...

im starting think people forgot about codex

You mean the same codex that talks about how sovereign is a geth construct? That codex was deliberately falsified by the in universe creators of it, and is in no way trustworthy.

[Random citizen]

KadianK wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

I support curing them, but you know, something must be done about their birthrate in one way or another. Perhaps a new genetic solution that makes the female only fertile one week per hundred years or something.

Their birthrate is that of a human's, also they live for 10x the amount of time as a human, I don't know what their issue is to be honest.

Sounds like they have too many babies. Thats the issue. If their birth rate could be lovered by introducing longer intervals between firtility cycles (I am assuming they have firtility cycles) much of the problem would be adressed.
Krogans would not generally be infirtile, they would just have fewer babies.

It seems curing the genophage is the right thing to do if it means getting the krogans onboard fighting the reapers.

Modifié par Random citizen, 30 décembre 2011 - 08:24 .

[chaosomegas]

galaxy political governments thought it was wise hide that we might be doom but most of codex is true

[Ticktank]

People arguing to cure the genophage probably never experienced living in an overpopulated country, or felt the effects of it.

If you ask me, humanity today needs a nice dose of the genophage.

Side note: Not sure how many people caught it, but the Urdnot Shaman made a remark (accurately IMO) about how human history is like the Krogan's. Its not a compliment btw.

[chaosomegas]

1 in 1000 krogans baby are born 999 are dead i will go by human rates 131.4 million births per year without the genophage 1314000 per year with the genophage 130million dead babys per year for a war that has been over for 1386 years. the genophage is a warcrime and cure it is right thing to do.

[chaosomegas]

krogans who rebel are dead salarians Turians and Asari who fought against krogan are dead. the genophage is hurting krogan who weren't born on till after the war.

[KadianK]

I guess it's just going to be one of them questions that isn't going to be answered until you're put into the thick of it, and all game knowledge from ME3 leading up to the point.

It's hard to say what you'd do.

[AlexXIV]

Most likely survival/future of the Krogan race will be one of the topics in ME3 indeed. Not sure if you need to cure the genophage though, or if it is even the best way. Because as people said they may find a way to overcome the genophage on their own.

[AgitatedLemon]

If it boils down to-

Cure, krogan flourish and survive.

or,

Don't, krogan go extinct from battle with Reapers and ****** poor birthrate.

I'll cure them. I'm honestly of the mindset that if Shepard cures them, the krogan will rejoice and know not to ****** off the galactic community again.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 30 décembre 2011 - 11:06 .

[Sasie]

Curing the genophage *after* the Reaper invasion started is not going to give anyone an army of krogan to toss against the Reapers. Children isn't concived, born and matured that quickly.It might mean more krogan decide to fight against them but with the Galaxy at a stage I don't see them having much choice but to fight as it is. Their whole race loves to fight as well so I doubt they sit in a corner and sulk until someone cures them.

Secondly one man is not an entire race. Just because Wrex is more peaceful then most krogan doesn't mean the entire krogan race is under control. For all we know a warlord might be able to best him in a few years or even if he manage to keep control until he dies of old age there is no telling what will happen once he is gone.There is no garantee his ideas will be followed in the future.

That said I also think curing the Genophage has the potential of causing issues for Wrex, he is keeping control at the moment by simple force and because the other Krogan has no other choice but to obey him.

Remove the Genophage and increase the births and there is no need for them to care about him anymore. Every clan could take the few females they have and go their own seperate way. The Genophage is needed simply to allow Wrex to change the krogan people before they can do anything else.

Modifié par Sasie, 30 décembre 2011 - 11:55 .