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[Ticktank]

People don't seem to remember (or don't want to remember) what happened when the Krogan were left on their own BEFORE the genophage. And they're all to willing to go back to that state, just because of a few QQ Krogan stories.

[Avina]

I support a new Genophage. Something not as gruesome.

[AlexXIV]

Avina wrote...

I support a new Genophage. Something not as gruesome.

When I read your first sentence I expected you to say something along: I support a new genophage. For humans.

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Yeah, joke's funnier if you tell it to Turians. Or Batarians.

[Gabey5]

only if we absolutely need too.

[Bleachrude]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

 The only question I have is, "do the krogans feel ANY responsibility for what happened?"

I never get the impression that krogans think their ancesotrs were in the wrong for being well dicks to everyone else so I'm a little leery about giving a cure to a people who think they were totally innocent in what happened to them...

I mean, when the turians actually attacked legitimate military krogan warbands, the krogans responded by literally wiping out the biospere of 3 entire turian planets and attacks against others..Do the krogans thing this was right?

Woah! Woah! This happened!? Source? If this is so then I feel even less pity for the Krogans. 

it's right in the codex under Krogan rebellions. Turians attack warbands, krogans respond by attacking turian colonies which included literally wiping out the biosphere of 3 of them...Don't think the krogans have ever felt any responsibility of what happened to them.

As another poster pointed out, the krogans had already put their planet in a nuclear winter even BEFORE they met the salarians so isn't a case of "innocent" krogans being abused.

Another interesting question would've been - assuming the rachini had never been met, should the krogans have even been uplifted?

[Eclipse_9990]

Ticktank wrote...

People don't seem to remember (or don't want to remember) what happened when the Krogan were left on their own BEFORE the genophage. And they're all to willing to go back to that state, just because of a few QQ Krogan stories.

I guess some people are too enamored by the drama of it all, that they don't see or care about the cold hard facts. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:30 .

[chaosomegas]

Slayer299 wrote...

chaosomegas wrote...

everyone saying it go take too long breed a new generation krogans but the cure is reward for fighting in reaper war it will help replace lost krogan who died in the war it will give them a future to fight for all krogan right now think the krogans have no future so they do what ever they like it would same on earth if governments came out told everyone world will be destroyed 7 days.

The problem with your comparison with Earth being destroyed in 7 days is that the population of Earth is that the Krogan have been raised fighting from Day 1 their born, Humanity doesn'[t have anything even close to that on Earth. I can see the Krogan being pissed off and wanting to kill something even more than usual, Humans woujld probably be a cross between running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the rest tried to figure out how to get off Earth with as much as possible.

Curing the Genophage willy-nilly is just asking for another war within the present generation, this time with the Krogan.

i was talking about humans would destroy burn drink some stuff i will not write about riot steal kill ect if we know it was end .

[Dave of Canada]

Depends.

We might need to, depending if the war is long term.
However, I'd not cure it if we don't see any long term existing. In addition to this, I don't want Reapers using Krogan to breed armies.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 décembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[Cultist]

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[Dean_the_Young]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Ah, gotcha.

Still, frankly...I find it would be incredibly foolish and petty of the krogan to withold help unless we hand them a cure.

As foolish and petty as withholding a genophage cure from them?

The idea of mutual failure negotitions is that both sides will lose if no deal is done. By threatening to not cooperate, you can leverage the fear of failure into concessions for your own side.

I can't see in any way how sitting in a corner and refusing to fight would be a viable strategy when the threat of all sentient life ending is looming overhead. Especially when the desire to fight strong, worthy enemies is a staple for their culture.

They don't need to not fight the Reapers. They just need to not fight the Reapers in Citadel space.

They can fight the Reapers in the Terminus, on Tuchanka, or anywhere else on their own. They can have their honorable deaths anywhere. It's the Council that wants Krogans to fight and die in the defense of Council worlds, for the Council's war effort, to save Council space in the Council's attempt for the victory.

I can see them demanding the genophage cure as part of post-war negotiations, as compensation for their effort and lost numbers. But demanding it as a pre-requisite to joining the war seems poor form.

Get real.

Demanding it as part of post-war negotiations would be the height of gullibility. The Council would have no pressing reason to give it to them once the Reapers are out of the way, and the Krogan would be unable to force it from the Council.

The point of the genophage dispute is that the Council does not want the Krogans to recover... and only extreme circumstances (like the prospect of a Reaper victory) might make them consider otherwise. When the Reaper invasion is over, the Council will return to its old status-quo stability setting which saw them nuke garden worlds to keep any Cure from getting out.

[AlphaDormante]

@Dean_The_Young

Can't say your tone is overly charming, but your points are fair enough.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:49 .

[Dean_the_Young]

AlphaDormante wrote...

@Dean_The_Young

Can't say your tone is overly charming, but your points are fair enough.

You're welcome.

[AlphaDormante]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

@Dean_The_Young

Can't say your tone is overly charming, but your points are fair enough.

You're welcome.

Cute.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

@Dean_The_Young

Can't say your tone is overly charming, but your points are fair enough.

You're welcome.

Cute.

I'll tone down the charm, if you want.

[JeffZero]

You'll have to forgive Dean, Alpha. He's not so dormant with the flair for theatrics as he was in his youth.

[AlphaDormante]

JeffZero wrote...

You'll have to forgive Dean, Alpha. He's not so dormant with the flair for theatrics as he was in his youth.

It's okay. I just look at his icon and picture him as Dumbledore trolling the internet in his free time; that makes it all better.

[Dean_the_Young]

JeffZero wrote...

You'll have to forgive Dean, Alpha. He's not so dormant with the flair for theatrics as he was in his youth.

I'm... not sure that actually means anything, quite honestly.

Is that suggesting I used to use more hyperbolic theatrics when I was younger? Or were they dormant back then? Is this a play on my dry wit, or simply my dry tone? 

Are you calling me old and crazy and cynical?

[Ryzaki]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

 No, but they shouldn't be left living like this either. A more permanent solution would be better.

Genocide is the best solution?

I'm curious as to why that wasn't done. They wiped out the Rachni why not the Krogan as well? 

[Purge the heathens]

Ryzaki wrote...

Genocide is the best solution?

I'm curious as to why that wasn't done. They wiped out the Rachni why not the Krogan as well? 

Because genocide is affiliated with countless moral and ethical quandaries (unless you're an ancient machine god, of course) and gets you bad PR.

Also, with the krogans, there was the possibility of surrender. Not so much with the rachni, courtesy of Reaper-induced brainwashing.

[Ryzaki]

Purge the heathens wrote...

Because genocide is affiliated with countless moral and ethical quandaries (unless you're an ancient machine god, of course) and gets you bad PR.

Also, with the krogans, there was the possibility of surrender. Not so much with the rachni, courtesy of Reaper-induced brainwashing.

True. Though it's closer to ancient machine race then machine god. I don't give Sovie and Harby that much credit.

I thought they refused the peace offers though? 

[Bleachrude]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

 No, but they shouldn't be left living like this either. A more permanent solution would be better.

Genocide is the best solution?

I'm curious as to why that wasn't done. They wiped out the Rachni why not the Krogan as well? 

1. It assumes that the Krogans would actually STOP and not kill off every rachini they found...given the history of the krogans, I don't think that was a possibility

2. It assumes that there were any rachini that would stop attacking - my understanding si the rachini were under reaper control and it was akin to fighting indoctrinated troops - just won't surrender no matter what.

[Elasthor]

Krogans reproduce quickly, and that quickness was countered by their harsh world. Living in new enviroments, allows them to reproduce quickly, but theiy don't live in their world anymore, so they don't die, and their numbers grow too quick. The genophage counterbalances this, so it is needed, but they also must learn.

[Ticktank]

I think human civilization TODAY needs a genophage.

[Dean_the_Young]

Yes, yes, I'm sure you do.