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[Yezdigerd]

Theraphy, www.obsessive-ex.com/oex/index.html

[Sleepdribble]

Uggh. Please don't hope for babies. Babies are NOT a reward for faithfulness. Nor are they a measure of love. And neither is marriage, for that matter.

Besides, in one of the novels - 'Ascension', I think - it states human women in the Mass Effect universe usually don't start having children until their forties, and remain fertile until their early sixties.

Ashley and Femshep (if Femshep is even biologically capable of having children with her zombie ovaries) both seem like young, realistic, driven women who are perhaps a little way off starting to want a family. Jack would also respectfully decline. Miranda, on the other hand, does seem to want a child and her reasons make sense. She's the only woman in the game, I think, who would suit being pregnant at the end of ME3, and that would be unlikely. And very, very cheesy.

[AgitatedLemon]

Sleepdribble wrote...

Uggh. Please don't hope for babies. Babies are NOT a reward for faithfulness. Nor are they a measure of love. And neither is marriage, for that matter.

Besides, in one of the novels - 'Ascension', I think - it states human women in the Mass Effect universe usually don't start having children until their forties, and remain fertile until their early sixties.

Ashley and Femshep (if Femshep is even biologically capable of having children with her zombie ovaries) both seem like young, realistic, driven women who are perhaps a little way off starting to want a family. Jack would also respectfully decline. Miranda, on the other hand, does seem to want a child and her reasons make sense. She's the only woman in the game, I think, who would suit being pregnant at the end of ME3, and that would be unlikely. And very, very cheesy.

Miranda's infertile. Benign neoplasmic tumors (Or, cancer).

But some of her dialogue with Shepard regarding Oriana implies that she'd like to settle down one day after all of this is over. I think it's be a good ending if she's romanced.

[CptData]

Sleep:

Marriage works, children ... not so. It should be something the player can decide.
Miranda wants children, but doubt she'll get any - at least not before something happens that gives her an option to get pregnant the "normal" way.

Ashley seems to be a family person. I doubt she want to wait for too long. I imagine her as someone who needs a "full house" - maybe she even took the military career only because it was expected? Who knows. She has a tough outside but definitely also a side that values family above anything. So if any woman wants to get married, then it's Ashley. It doesn't really fit to Miranda, even less to Jack. I'm not sure about Tali (do Quarians have marriages?) and Liara.

Of all male characters I can only Kaidan imagine as the type for marriage. Thane? Dunno, most likely not. Garrus? Nope. Jacob? Maybe, maybe not. Vega? To be seen ...

[AgitatedLemon]

CptData wrote...

Sleep:

Marriage works, children ... not so. It should be something the player can decide.
Miranda wants children, but doubt she'll get any - at least not before something happens that gives her an option to get pregnant the "normal" way.

Ashley seems to be a family person. I doubt she want to wait for too long. I imagine her as someone who needs a "full house" - maybe she even took the military career only because it was expected? Who knows. She has a tough outside but definitely also a side that values family above anything. So if any woman wants to get married, then it's Ashley. It doesn't really fit to Miranda, even less to Jack. I'm not sure about Tali (do Quarians have marriages?) and Liara.

Of all male characters I can only Kaidan imagine as the type for marriage. Thane? Dunno, most likely not. Garrus? Nope. Jacob? Maybe, maybe not. Vega? To be seen ...

I remember posting that the only conceivable way I could see Miranda being able to become pregnant was some miracle conception, which sounds like it would be almost (If not) impossible to write without coming off as stupid and contrived.

How does it not fit Miranda though? On her exterior, no, she's thoroughly professional, but that's also just a facade. Her emotions and thoughts are strong to the people she opens up to and trusts. I could honestly see her and Shepard settling down on Earth or Bekenstein one day after the Reapers are defeated and the both of them are tired of putting their asses on the line for everyone else. I'm not saying they needs to have kids, but just ot settle down and enjoy some peace and happiness for once. In spite of sounding sappy... They both deserve it, knowing their backgrounds.

I think Liara *could* be the marriageable type, but it's a stretch, given her being the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 30 décembre 2011 - 11:26 .

[Sleepdribble]

CptData wrote...

Ashley seems to be a family person. I doubt she want to wait for too long. I imagine her as someone who needs a "full house" - maybe she even took the military career only because it was expected? Who knows. She has a tough outside but definitely also a side that values family above anything. So if any woman wants to get married, then it's Ashley. It doesn't really fit to Miranda, even less to Jack. I'm not sure about Tali (do Quarians have marriages?) and Liara. 

I know you're big on Ashley. I've seen your posts before. But I think I interpret her personality a little differently than you do. I don't see Ash as wanting to settle down too soon. She seems a little sad/regrettful in ME1, when she tells Shep how her mum gave up her own career to care for Ash and her sisters so that her dad could follow his dreams. And Ashley has big dreams of her own, including the legacy of redeeming her family name. I'm not saying she'd never want children - I think she definately would. I just get the feeling that it's not a priority, and not something she'd let anyone pressure her into.

I do agree with you on the marriage thing though. Ashley does seem like an old fashioned romantic at heart.

Aaannnnd, I'll stop there because I've completely fallen off topic.
 

Modifié par Sleepdribble, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:01 .

[CptData]

@ Agitated:

Maybe you're right about Miranda, but you kinda fail when talking about Bekenstein. Do you really think Shepard is the type who wants to live on a planet full of economic criminals and narcists? Miranda might have a narcist side in her character, but it's not too visible. I doubt she'll enjoy living on Bekenstein.

@Sleep:
I'd say, the William's name got redeemed after defeating Saren. And even if not: if Ashley makes it through ME3 and Shepard wins the war against the Reapers, the name "Williams" shouldn't be questioned anymore. That quest is over then.
My idea of Ashley comes from various sides, including those we shouldn't mention here (aka spoilers). I usually keep my posts free. I'm just glad my idea of Ash isn't too far away from what she is in the series - including ME3.

Aaand yes - I'm totally "big on Ashley" ^^
(Why does that sound wrong) *g*

[android654]

Sleepdribble wrote...

Uggh. Please don't hope for babies. Babies are NOT a reward for faithfulness. Nor are they a measure of love. And neither is marriage, for that matter.

Besides, in one of the novels - 'Ascension', I think - it states human women in the Mass Effect universe usually don't start having children until their forties, and remain fertile until their early sixties.

Ashley and Femshep (if Femshep is even biologically capable of having children with her zombie ovaries) both seem like young, realistic, driven women who are perhaps a little way off starting to want a family. Jack would also respectfully decline. Miranda, on the other hand, does seem to want a child and her reasons make sense. She's the only woman in the game, I think, who would suit being pregnant at the end of ME3, and that would be unlikely. And very, very cheesy.

Finally, someone else said it. Its 2011, childbirth and marriage have been put off further in life if not discarded altogether. Not to mention how in poor taste it would be to have a pregnant Shepard or Ashley near the end of ME3.

[Luci The Great]

while Marragie would bee great, i honstlly don't see Shep [ well, my shep] haveing kids...maybe with Liara,but not with the other LIs.

[AgitatedLemon]

CptData wrote...

@ Agitated:

Maybe you're right about Miranda, but you kinda fail when talking about Bekenstein. Do you really think Shepard is the type who wants to live on a planet full of economic criminals and narcists? Miranda might have a narcist side in her character, but it's not too visible. I doubt she'll enjoy living on Bekenstein.

@Sleep:
I'd say, the William's name got redeemed after defeating Saren. And even if not: if Ashley makes it through ME3 and Shepard wins the war against the Reapers, the name "Williams" shouldn't be questioned anymore. That quest is over then.
My idea of Ashley comes from various sides, including those we shouldn't mention here (aka spoilers). I usually keep my posts free. I'm just glad my idea of Ash isn't too far away from what she is in the series - including ME3.

Aaand yes - I'm totally "big on Ashley" ^^
(Why does that sound wrong) *g*

I just used Bekenstein 'cause it was the first Earth-like garden world I thought of at the time. To be honest though, Illium, which is considered to be a very fancy and "Perfect" world, is also incredibly seedy and violent.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Random citizen]

Faithful or fixated, that's the question.

[Youknow]

Honestly, I hope not. I didn't do much romance in ME, so it'd be lame to miss out on something because you didn't have a romance. Unless you get a perk for being single as well.

[android654]

Youknow wrote...

Honestly, I hope not. I didn't do much romance in ME, so it'd be lame to miss out on something because you didn't have a romance. Unless you get a perk for being single as well.

A "copious amounts of masturbation" achievement?

[Olive Oomph]

Sleepdribble wrote...


I know you're big on Ashley. I've seen your posts before. But I think I interpret her personality a little differently than you do. I don't see Ash as wanting to settle down too soon. She seems a little sad/regrettful in ME1, when she tells Shep how her mum gave up her own career to care for Ash and her sisters so that her dad could follow his dreams. And Ashley has big dreams of her own, including the legacy of redeeming her family name. I'm not saying she'd never want children - I think she definately would. I just get the feeling that it's not a priority, and not something she'd let anyone pressure her into.

I do agree with you on the marriage thing though. Ashley does seem like an old fashioned romantic at heart.

Aaannnnd, I'll stop there because I've completely fallen off topic.
 

So much this. The way she talks about her mother had me always thinking, that she doesn't really approve of her mother's decision to sacrifice her career to raise her children and loving your family doesn't neccessarily mean, that you want to start one of your own as soon as possible. I think for the moment she is happy with the one she already has and settling down won't happen for a long time for her.

[CptData]

android654 wrote...

Finally, someone else said it. Its 2011, childbirth and marriage have been put off further in life if not discarded altogether. Not to mention how in poor taste it would be to have a pregnant Shepard or Ashley near the end of ME3.

What you say is true.
But I also say 95% of the guys in the first world are wasting resources and don't even get a shadow of an idea what life truly means. Gathering money and wealth is a "nice to have" but career and such shouldn't be anything.

I say: I work for my life. I don't live to work.

And people really should get that idea.

I believe human society in ME-universe is beyond that point.

[android654]

CptData wrote...

android654 wrote...

Finally, someone else said it. Its 2011, childbirth and marriage have been put off further in life if not discarded altogether. Not to mention how in poor taste it would be to have a pregnant Shepard or Ashley near the end of ME3.

What you say is true.
But I also say 95% of the guys in the first world are wasting resources and don't even get a shadow of an idea what life truly means. Gathering money and wealth is a "nice to have" but career and such shouldn't be anything.

I say: I work for my life. I don't live to work.

And people really should get that idea.

I believe human society in ME-universe is beyond that point.

I agree, but I don't see how having children and "Settling down" is necessarily living your life. I personally know people in the 60's, more than forty years older than myself, with more vigor in their lives than most if not all of my friends. They travel, they engage in everything they can get their hands on and they're nothing but a joy to be around. This is because they live thier lives for themselves rather than concern themselves with family building or burden thier lives with slowing down for whatever the reason.

Life is short, and I don't see the point in taking out time to fulfill pointless rituals. I would suppose a military commander in the future has even less time to waste. Just cause Shepard says she/he wants to stop at some point, I doubt the thought of family and wedding bells has ever entered his/her head.

[Trinity Shep]

What would be nice is maybe a bonus scene or something in the story line, whether thats in the middle or at the end! I am sure they will reward us though, i plan on doing 2 play throughs. I was faithful to Kaidan the 2nd time around in ME2 but i did try out Jacob.. how boring, definatley not as good as Kaidan. But i will be playing ME3 two ways, one to see what Vega is all about and another to see what rewards i get staying with Kaidan. I am sure they will have a nice reward for the faithful ones though! Just makes sense!!

[Trinity Shep]

Wait does watching Kelly dance all Asari like count as being faithful.. if not that i wasnt lol!

[somecthemes]

My idea of a reward for staying loyal to Liara:
Liara and Shep sitting in Shep's room/office.
L: Sheppard, we need to talk.
S: About what?
L: Us, our future. You stayed when every fiber of my being was drawn between pushing you away and refusing to notice you.
S: Yeah, well.. you noticed I can be a little subborn.
L: Yes, but you must have felt rejected, and I just wanted to be clear that the distance between us was never about you. There's a magnetism that only my fervent focus keeps from sweeping me along with you where ever you go, it is a humbling and terrifying sensation to know that any moment could have me running into abyss just to stay close to you. I had to keep you away so that I'd have the strength to do what I had to. I'm sorry if that hurt you.
S: Liara, I don't see it that way, there's nothing I wouldn't endure to make you happy. So don't think for a minute I hold you doing what you needed to keep yourself and your goals in sight. I know we said things the last time we were here that you might wonder about..
L: Marriage and lots of blue children...
S: We're at a point where every galactic threat is either mobilizing or being swept away by the largest collition of organic and synthetic as there ever was, and we look forward, I can't help looking back and seeing that as one of my biggest regrets.
L: Shepard, I know things were tense and you might have felt compelled to...
S: Liara, the only thing worse than waiting to ask was waiting afterwards, I can't keep looking back in regret if I'm going to lead us forward. Please, Liara, will you marry me.
Then hugs kissing and theme music.
Don't need a wedding scene, another love scene, or really any more than a promise of future associations to keep me happy.
I'd probably love a similar scene with Ash, as long as I didn't have her reading a whole 4-5 minutes of poetry as opposed to speaking her own words.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

As for Femshep's fertility, well.... the game doesn't mention anything other than bringing Shepard back exactly (or as close as possible) as before.

But the games don't show everything, either. One reference to showering (Just before the SM) in two games, and seriously: When did you last see Shepard EAT?! Codex says that Biotic Alliance Soldiers get 4500 calories (normal soldiers get only 3000), and have a container of Nutirious drink at their side for after hard battles. Ever Seen Shepard with one (let alone USE it)? Seriously, the lack of pads/whatever (I'm not getting into that) being mentioned means nothing.

As regards ME 3: with what Shepard has gone thru already (and if that child is any indication) what is yet to come, I suspect that either death or retirement will be the biggest result of the ME 3 ending. And while Shepard may willingly sacrifice him-/her-self, do you REALLY think that would happen if an alternative were available?

Marriage and Children may be a MUCH nicer reward than, say.... completing the trial that got interrupted at the begining of ME 3.... BY a VERY wide margin.

[Doofe2012]

Hey guys, let's think about if there were a marriage proposal scene...how would it be presented? I, for one, would like it to be in the middle of a dramatic firefight, much like

*MGS4 Spoilers*



Meryl and Akiba (Johnny) on board Liquid Ocelot's ship

[Azaniae]

Doofe2012 wrote...

Hey guys, let's think about if there were a marriage proposal scene...how would it be presented? I, for one, would like it to be in the middle of a dramatic firefight, much like

*MGS4 Spoilers*



Meryl and Akiba (Johnny) on board Liquid Ocelot's ship

I could only see that happening if the game was more fast-paced, maybe.

Modifié par Azaniae, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[Homebound]

marriage and babies? Isn't that a bit extreme?