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[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

It actually doesn't bother me with Grunt. Krogan are so ridiculously tough (I mean, they were picked for uplift because they could handle the wretchedly toxic worlds the rachni queens were holed up on) that he can get away with that crap.  And, he's pure krogan.

That's true, and they can regenerate.

I would have gladly accepted more helmets and recon hoods for the rest of the crew, because I think it's better when an emotion can be expressed through both the characters face and voice.

So I wouldn't be so annoyed (in fact, I kind of like it) if everyone had sealed helmets.

Not to mention that they could potentially save time on not making facial expressions for those missions, which I believe are pretty few.

[nitefyre410]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Are people actually saying ME2 is a bad game? Geez because if it is that bad then somebody please help ME1 because then it must be terrible.

 



Its not that ME 2 is bad - its  that there are things that can be done alot better.  It was great but that does not mean there are not flaws they can improve greatly upon.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Mesina2 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Never been in the army or police I see?

To be fair, most of Shep's squadmates aren't (and many never have been).

Actually, only 6 squadmates were in profesional military.

Ashley, Kaidan, Zaeed, Garrus, Tali and Jacob.

From them only Ashley and Kaidan are still in military.

Missing the point.
The army, police, firemen - they don't use specific equipment because of a whim, or because they are making a fashion statement - they so it because the equipment has evolved to futher their job.
The equipment exists as the product of the need and requirements of the job. And that's why it's also used.

[Whereto]

Why can't we all just agree that there should be an option for it when it's not vital(eg normal combat) and mandatory when the environment dictates the need for it. I don't honestly see Biowares point, but it is their game so oh well

[Andorfiend]

In Exile wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Some examples would be nice.

Biotics. In particular, that biotics is "just" related to altering the mass of objects, until we got to the rachni, and the fact that they were "sensitive" to Matriarch Benezia's biotics, and how they somehow translate into... telepathy? It's not clear at all what the hell that's supposed to mean.

There are lots of other more minor points, largely relating to biology and cognitve neurosci. (e.g. quarian immune systems and AI/VI).

Why are you thinking Rachni sensitivity to Biotics is related to their telepathy? The Thorian was telepathic and showed no evidence of biotic abilities.

It's possible I suppose. The Asari come the closest to having telepathy of the Council races, and they are all biotics, so that's a possible link. No, wait, the Rachni are all telepathic and only the males are biotics, so that blows that theory.

I'll grant that the biology tends to be a bit weak, but it's not neartly as bad in ME 1 as in ME 2.

Sure the Quarians havn't been spaceborn long enough to evolve away from strong immune systems on a genetic level. But what the hell do we actually know about Quarian physiology? They have fundamentally different base chemistry than we do. *shrug* Maybe the changes were epigenetic. They've had plenty of time for that.

But in ME 2 we're told how humans have the most variable baseline genetics of all the known sapient races. And that's just stupid. We've got highly variable phenotypes, but genetically we're all cousins, and pretty close cousins at that.

So yes, there are plenty of biology screw-ups, but frankly I don't expect a 4th grader to realize when someone fails to follow Mendelevian inheritance. I do expect a 4th grader to know you need more than a dust mask in space. And I would prefer my S-F games to not insult the scientific understanding of your average 4th grader.

Modifié par Andorfiend, 01 janvier 2012 - 03:51 .

[didymos1120]

Andorfiend wrote...

 The Thorian was telepathic and showed no evidence of biotic abilities.

It seemed to have no trouble producing biotic Shiala-clones (which technically weren't clones due to being made from Thorian-stuff).  That could have just been done for gameplay reasons though.

[sissysouthpaw]

Whereto wrote...

Why can't we all just agree that there should be an option for it when it's not vital(eg normal combat) and mandatory when the environment dictates the need for it. I don't honestly see Biowares point, but it is their game so oh well

Because that would be way too reasonable. Keep your damned sense-making out of this thread <_<

[Il Divo]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Also, to whomever advocates the "uniqne apperance" idea ME2 and DA2 had - you're a moron.

When has ever a persons always worn the same cloths, always and forever, regardless of situation? If you know a weirdo like that in RL, I pitty you (and him/her)
Clothes are associated with a person depending on which are most OFTEN worn, not ALWAYS worn.

Great question. When has a person ever managed to survive being mauled by a dragon? Or survived a shotgun blast to the face? But these things happen in an RPG, because realism is not always desirable. Gameplay considerations. I'll gladly take iconic outfits for each individual character over armor that felt generic and lifeless.

Modifié par Il Divo, 01 janvier 2012 - 04:07 .

[nitefyre410]

Liisi wrote...

Whereto wrote...

Why can't we all just agree that there should be an option for it when it's not vital(eg normal combat) and mandatory when the environment dictates the need for it. I don't honestly see Biowares point, but it is their game so oh well

Because that would be way too reasonable. Keep your damned sense-making out of this thread <_<

 

This common sense and being reasonable what are this foriegn  things you  speak off... while a toogle for something like this would be perfect... unfortunately  that perfectly reasonable solution to this  non-problem  could turn into oh...I don't like this character can I have toggle to remove them completely from the game...

I would love a Liara toggle and that ain't happening

[Andorfiend]

didymos1120 wrote...

Andorfiend wrote...

 The Thorian was telepathic and showed no evidence of biotic abilities.

It seemed to have no trouble producing biotic Shiala-clones (which technically weren't clones due to being made from Thorian-stuff).  That could have just been done for gameplay reasons though.

True, I did think of that. But if the Thorian itself were Biotic, you'd think it would have just squished Shepard into pulp. A nevous system thousands of miles across? It would have been a Biotic god! *mandatory Volus reference here*

Not really relevent to the thread though. Although as long as I'm off topic. Your avator. Is that a Malligator or an Allard?

Modifié par Andorfiend, 01 janvier 2012 - 04:42 .

[daftPirate]

Andorfiend wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Andorfiend wrote...

 The Thorian was telepathic and showed no evidence of biotic abilities.

It seemed to have no trouble producing biotic Shiala-clones (which technically weren't clones due to being made from Thorian-stuff).  That could have just been done for gameplay reasons though.

True, I did think of that. But if the Thorian itself were Biotic, you'd think it would have just squished Shepard into pulp. A nevous system thousands of miles across? It would have been a Biotic god! *mandatory Volus reference here*

Not really relevent to the thread though. Although as long as I'm off topic. Your avator. Is that a Malligator or an Allard?

Just as a side note, there's a lot unaccounted for in that scene. The Thorian was also producing, as it were, shotguns for shiala-clone to weild as well. Unless Saren fed it a stock pile or something...

[ODST 5723]

Il Divo wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Also, to whomever advocates the "uniqne apperance" idea ME2 and DA2 had - you're a moron.

When has ever a persons always worn the same cloths, always and forever, regardless of situation? If you know a weirdo like that in RL, I pitty you (and him/her)
Clothes are associated with a person depending on which are most OFTEN worn, not ALWAYS worn.

Great question. When has a person ever managed to survive being mauled by a dragon? Or survived a shotgun blast to the face? But these things happen in an RPG, because realism is not always desirable. Gameplay considerations. I'll gladly take iconic outfits for each individual character over armor that felt generic and lifeless.

I guess I'm a moron because I agree that I'd rather thake an iconic look over a weak alternative even if it's 100% scientifically accurate and Lotion approved.

[LGTX]

Was the fact that Vega and Shep are maskless in the screenshot been accepted as an argument, and/or dismissed as such? Just trying to catch up on all this fuss and throw in my two cents. We have absolutely no context to the scene taking place in the screenshot.

[ODST 5723]

LGTX wrote...

Was the fact that Vega and Shep are maskless in the screenshot been accepted as an argument, and/or dismissed as such? Just trying to catch up on all this fuss and throw in my two cents. We have absolutely no context to the scene taking place in the screenshot.

it was brought up a few times in this and the other threads, but glossed over because a few people with inconsistent immersion issues have teamed up with the hard science crowd to create a critical mass of ridiclousness not seen since the St. Petersburg Incident of 1853

[Nashiktal]

ediskrad327 wrote...

this makes me wonder what happened when this was on TV

They actually explained that though, or rather, lampshaded it by having carl hold his hands to his ears while jimmy explained it.

Lampshading might have helped bioware a little more than just slapping on face masks.

[Annihilator27]

As long as we get proper gear for hostile environments this time around lol.

[DrwEddy]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I should start off by saying to Terror K that I am sorry for belittling his concern (in the last thread). While I personally find people who get upset over seemly minor details to be overreacting, that doesn't give me the right to make light of his concern. He is concerned because, for him at least, it is an immersion breaker and anything that breaks our players immersion in the games is taken seriously by the dev team. I only said it in that manner as I know Terror has been here a long time and I thought, from prior conversations, we had a certain raport between us. Obviouly I misjudged the situation and my phrasing was uncalled for.

That being said, the dev team looks at issues like this and makes judgements. They listen to fans and, when possible, work to accomodate as many fans as possible. It is listening to them like this that has created things like helmet toggles to try to accomodate a wide variety of interests. There are reasons to have breathing masks in game. And I don't mean "the team was too lazy to make helmets" or whatever, but some fine story based reasons (like one area where "someone" has vented the atmosphere out of a room you are passing through). The team has spent a lot of time making facial animations and dialogs that we want you to see faces for. Now, as I mentioned, toggles, situations where masks are appropriate, etc so sometimes you will see a breathing mask. Hopefully people will look at it and eitehr accept it, or at worst begrudgingly understand why they were used.

Can we still use helmets like in ME2, or are helmets too complicated to do with the complex designs and shapes?

[Xeranx]

ODST 5723 wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Was the fact that Vega and Shep are maskless in the screenshot been accepted as an argument, and/or dismissed as such? Just trying to catch up on all this fuss and throw in my two cents. We have absolutely no context to the scene taking place in the screenshot.

it was brought up a few times in this and the other threads, but glossed over because a few people with inconsistent immersion issues have teamed up with the hard science crowd to create a critical mass of ridiclousness not seen since the St. Petersburg Incident of 1853

It was glossed over because know one knows what's going on in that scene.  What was pointed out, however, was that Liara was wearing a mask and that they're back.  For all we know, Shepard and Vega could be wearing regular helmets in that scene.  Seeing as ME2 had Shepard in a helmet every time a squadmate was in a breath mask, one can reasonably believe Shepard would be wearing a helmet in that scene where Liara is wearing the breath mask again.  Vega, despite not knowing what he'll have, could also have a full helmet on in that scene since his face is completely uncovered much like Shepard's.

So you're comment makes no sense considering what we know of two out of the three characters in that shot.

Modifié par Xeranx, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:49 .

[ODST 5723]

Xeranx wrote...
It was glossed over because know one knows what's going on in that scene.  What was pointed out, however, was that Liara was wearing a mask and that they're back.  For all we know, Shepard and Vega could be wearing regular helmets in that scene.  Seeing as ME2 had Shepard in a helmet every time a squadmate was in a breath mask, one can reasonably believe Shepard would be wearing a helmet in that scene where Liara is wearing the breath mask again.  Vega, despite not knowing what he'll have, could also have a full helmet on in that scene since his face is completely uncovered much like Shepard's.

So you're comment makes no sense considering what we know of two out of the three characters in that shot.

For all we know Liara's wearing a mask for a specific purpose. While both Shepard and Vega could be wearing a helmet in that scene, they're not wearing them in that photo.  It could mean that she just stepped out of a sealed room.  It could be that she's going to be taking a different route than Shep and Vega.  Hell, we don't even know if either of them are in Shepard's party at the time.

Instead of discussing that, the anti-breather mask, "hardsuit or bust" crowd has worked themselves back into a tizzy just because they've seen the mask and its very existence has enraged them because of what enraged them in ME2.

In fact, most of the conversation hasn't even been about ME3 or that photo. It's been about ME1 and ME2.

Modifié par ODST 5723, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:57 .

[LGTX]

And that is exactly what I don't get. That you guys automatically assume that ME2 mechanics carry over to ME3 via copy/paste. Liara has breathing mask in one scene = she always has it regardless of context (something the devs could have rectified from ME2, but this thread denies as a possibility). And that Vega and Shep aren't wearing any because they'd have helmets.

For all we know, breathers are a separate class of facial cover entirely this time aroud. Why think in such cramped beliefs? ME2 is over. We never know what Bioware decided to touch up in terms of appearances and/or customization.

EDIT: ODST kinda beat me to it there.

Modifié par LGTX, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:56 .

[Ryzaki]

Because the devs pretty much admit it via Priestly's post.

[Iakus]

Xeranx wrote...
It was glossed over because know one knows what's going on in that scene.  What was pointed out, however, was that Liara was wearing a mask and that they're back.  For all we know, Shepard and Vega could be wearing regular helmets in that scene.  Seeing as ME2 had Shepard in a helmet every time a squadmate was in a breath mask, one can reasonably believe Shepard would be wearing a helmet in that scene where Liara is wearing the breath mask again.  Vega, despite not knowing what he'll have, could also have a full helmet on in that scene since his face is completely uncovered much like Shepard's.

So you're comment makes no sense considering what we know of two out of the three characters in that shot.

Indeed.  ME2 had squadmates wearing these breather masks in stupidly inappropriate situations.  Given that they're back and the initial response to the outcry was simply "We like the look.  Deal with it:" I have no faith that any care was taken to make the characters' appearance more appropriate to the environment they're in.  

[ODST 5723]

Ryzaki wrote...

Because the devs pretty much admit it via Priestly's post.

That's funny, because I take just about everything Priestly says with a grain of salt because:

1) He's said things that turn out to not be accurate later.
2) He's Evil Chris

Modifié par ODST 5723, 01 janvier 2012 - 07:00 .

[Ryzaki]

ODST 5723 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Because the devs pretty much admit it via Priestly's post.

That's funny, because I take just about everything Priestly says with a grain of salt because:

1) He's said things that turn out to not be accurate later.
2) He's Evil Chris

This isn't a plotline. He has little reason to lie about this.