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[Bogsnot1]

Donnstar wrote...

BSN complains about everything. Eyebrows to breathing masks.

You forgot about the taste of Tali's bodily fluids.

[didymos1120]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Donnstar wrote...

BSN complains about everything. Eyebrows to breathing masks.

You forgot about the taste of Tali's bodily fluids.

I don't think they were complaining about that.  More like "happily imagining".

[didymos1120]

True.

[Cypher0020]

I didn't mind the masks really... the helmet IMO was cooler. Glad Shep keeps it.

Eh, guess it won't be too much of a deal

[Reptilian Rob]

Breathing mask is ONLY aspect of the Mass Effect franchise I dislike. Why you say? Why would I hate such a small thing, so insignificant?

So, there you are in a spacecraft, the year is *insert arbitrary future sci-fi date here* and you have a tango tailing you. The aft section is gone, blown to the infinite corners of the universe and the only option is to go EVA. You yank the "breathing mask" from the forward compartment and jettison yourself into the abyss. But what is this? Nope, you're dead, dead as a self respecting man's penis at a Justin Bieber concert. You know why? Vacuum, that's why. That "breathing mask" you thought was going to save your life doesn't work in a vacuum where the temperature and negative pressure kill you almost instantly.

Why Liara, Samara and Miranda have the magical ability to waltz out into a FREAKING OPEN VACUUM and not have their eyes glass over is a miracle of the many gods we all believe in.

[didymos1120]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

 That "breathing mask" you thought was going to save your life doesn't work in a vacuum where the temperature and negative pressure kill you almost instantly.

Wrong.  One, there isn't "negative pressure" in a vacuum.  There's zero pressure.  Two, the differential isn't enough to cause instant death. Instant mild discomfort, sure, and you wouldn't want to spend a whole lot of time in such conditions as swelling would get worse over time, but not death.  Three: you also wouldn't insta-freeze, as the only way to shed heat in a vacuum is by radiating, which is quite slow (hence why the Codex makes such a big deal about starships and heat).  Four: it's actually the lack of oxygen which causes death so quickly in vacuum conditions.

That said: a breathing mask would still be a terrible idea.  Without a full suit with a good seal, your lung tissue, which is rather fragile (unlike your skin) would rupture due to the mask effectively forcing you to hold your breath.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 décembre 2011 - 10:18 .

[brainless78]

didymos1120 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

 That "breathing mask" you thought was going to save your life doesn't work in a vacuum where the temperature and negative pressure kill you almost instantly.

Wrong.  One, there isn't "negative pressure" in a vacuum.  There's zero pressure.  Two, the differential isn't enough to cause instant death. Instant mild discomfort, sure, and you wouldn't want to spend a whole lot of time in such conditions as swelling would get worse over time, but not death.  Three: you also wouldn't insta-freeze, as the only way to shed heat in a vacuum is by radiating, which is quite slow (hence why the Codex makes such a big deal about starships and heat).  Four: it's actually the lack of oxygen which causes death so quickly in vacuum conditions.

That said: a breathing mask would still be a terrible idea.  Without a full suit with a good seal, your lung tissue, which is rather fragile (unlike your skin) would rupture due to the mask effectively forcing you to hold your breath.

Yeah, there's zero pressure in a vacuum. The difference with your internal body pressure will be enough to pop your eyes and eardrums though. Not to mention the blood in your veins.
But yeah, the question is difficult. Not "how much time will you last in vacuum", but "what will kill you first".

Caution NSFW (Event Horizon airlock scene) http://www.showcase....7/original.aspx

[AgitatedLemon]

How is that NSFW? It doesn't show anything at all, just a few blood trickles.

[brainless78]

Just to be on the safe side, that's all. At first i was going to post the image directly.
better in video

Modifié par brainless78, 29 décembre 2011 - 10:44 .

[mineralica]

Breathing masks for emergency situations like "some bastard vented air out of room"? I like. Definitely better than fully sealed helmet appearing from nowhere (battle for Citadel, end of ME1).

Toggles for helmets? Freaking brilliant.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

brainless78 wrote...

Just to be on the safe side, that's all. At first i was going to post the image directly.
better in video

\\

good old movie

[bennyjammin79]

Oh it's this topic again. Hello there, how are you?

Also:

mineralica wrote...

Breathing masks for emergency situations like "some bastard vented air out of room"? I like. Definitely better than fully sealed helmet appearing from nowhere (battle for Citadel, end of ME1).

Toggles for helmets? Freaking brilliant.

This.

[Candidate 88766]

Frankly, unless the characters are in a vacuum or a really hostile atmosphere I'd rather they had masks so I can see their faces when they talk. A lot of work has gone into the facial animations - it'd be a shame to cover them up just because they're in a slightly chilly room.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 29 décembre 2011 - 11:07 .

[Saber Wolf]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Frankly, unless the characters are in a vacuum or a really hostile atmosphere I'd rather they had masks so I can see their faces when they talk. A lot of work has gone into the facial animations - it'd be a shame to cover them up just because they're in a slightly chilly room.

And I think this is exactly the case, and I have nothing against that.

[didymos1120]

brainless78 wrote...

Yeah, there's zero pressure in a vacuum. The difference with your internal body pressure will be enough to pop your eyes and eardrums though. Not to mention the blood in your veins.
But yeah, the question is difficult. Not "how much time will you last in vacuum", but "what will kill you first".

Caution NSFW (Event Horizon airlock scene) http://www.showcase....7/original.aspx

Um, again: no.  Here. Here. And here. Also: your citation is a screencap from a movie?

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 décembre 2011 - 11:09 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Breathign masks are stupid. I hate them because I feel they do a disservice to the franchise.

[bennyjammin79]

Now, now didy. His name does say it all.

[LTiberious]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I should start off by saying to Terror K that I am sorry for belittling his concern (in the last thread). While I personally find people who get upset over seemly minor details to be overreacting, that doesn't give me the right to make light of his concern. He is concerned because, for him at least, it is an immersion breaker and anything that breaks our players immersion in the games is taken seriously by the dev team. I only said it in that manner as I know Terror has been here a long time and I thought, from prior conversations, we had a certain raport between us. Obviouly I misjudged the situation and my phrasing was uncalled for.

That being said, the dev team looks at issues like this and makes judgements. They listen to fans and, when possible, work to accomodate as many fans as possible. It is listening to them like this that has created things like helmet toggles to try to accomodate a wide variety of interests. There are reasons to have breathing masks in game. And I don't mean "the team was too lazy to make helmets" or whatever, but some fine story based reasons (like one area where "someone" has vented the atmosphere out of a room you are passing through). The team has spent a lot of time making facial animations and dialogs that we want you to see faces for. Now, as I mentioned, toggles, situations where masks are appropriate, etc so sometimes you will see a breathing mask. Hopefully people will look at it and eitehr accept it, or at worst begrudgingly understand why they were used.

as i said before - Chris, get a vacation ffs. The problem is in you being nervous

[AgitatedLemon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Breathign masks are stupid. I hate them because I feel they do a disservice to the franchise.

So you hate them because you hate them because you hate them?

Ok.

[bennyjammin79]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Breathign masks are stupid. I hate them because I feel they do a disservice to the franchise.

This kind of thing is the only disservice to the franchise. 

[Biotic Sage]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I should start off by saying to Terror K that I am sorry for belittling his concern (in the last thread). While I personally find people who get upset over seemly minor details to be overreacting, that doesn't give me the right to make light of his concern. He is concerned because, for him at least, it is an immersion breaker and anything that breaks our players immersion in the games is taken seriously by the dev team. I only said it in that manner as I know Terror has been here a long time and I thought, from prior conversations, we had a certain raport between us. Obviouly I misjudged the situation and my phrasing was uncalled for.

That being said, the dev team looks at issues like this and makes judgements. They listen to fans and, when possible, work to accomodate as many fans as possible. It is listening to them like this that has created things like helmet toggles to try to accomodate a wide variety of interests. There are reasons to have breathing masks in game. And I don't mean "the team was too lazy to make helmets" or whatever, but some fine story based reasons (like one area where "someone" has vented the atmosphere out of a room you are passing through). The team has spent a lot of time making facial animations and dialogs that we want you to see faces for. Now, as I mentioned, toggles, situations where masks are appropriate, etc so sometimes you will see a breathing mask. Hopefully people will look at it and eitehr accept it, or at worst begrudgingly understand why they were used.

Good form, Chris. 

While I understand your frustration with Terror, I was concerned with the dismissiveness of your response to him.  I'm glad that you clarified your statement and that feedback is still at the center of Bioware's mantra. 

My feedback: While I myself would personally prefer helmets/whole-body insulators, I can respect the decision to go in the direction of more face being visible.  While I'm sure it won't hurt my enjoyment of the game, I do believe that this kind of thing (style over in-universe-logic) hurts the Mass Effect franchise as a whole because it undermines its sci-fi legitimacy.  Fantasy space opera (Star Wars) can certainly be good, but I felt from the first two Mass Effect games (especially ME1) that you guys had something special with the universe you created, a sci-fi universe with a really unique feel, art style, and great lore that also had a very welcome dose of realism.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 29 décembre 2011 - 11:28 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Breathign masks are stupid. I hate them because I feel they do a disservice to the franchise.

So you hate them because you hate them because you hate them?

Ok.

I hate them because they add elements of unecessary stupidity to the setting.

It is stupid.
It hurts suspension of disbelief.
It makes the characters look stupid for doing it.

They could just as well have characters poke a power outlet with their finger.

[brainless78]

didymos1120 wrote...

brainless78 wrote...

Yeah, there's zero pressure in a vacuum. The difference with your internal body pressure will be enough to pop your eyes and eardrums though. Not to mention the blood in your veins.
But yeah, the question is difficult. Not "how much time will you last in vacuum", but "what will kill you first".

Caution NSFW (Event Horizon airlock scene) http://www.showcase....7/original.aspx

Um, again: no.  Here. Here. And here. Also: your citation is a screencap from a movie?

It was meant to illustrate that being exposed to vacuum is going to be nasty.

Now, thanks for the links though. Now i know this depiction is hardly realistic (though i somewhat suspected it thanks.) Still, 5 to 10 seconds of consciousness in a vacuum and after that ...

Water vapor also begins forming in soft tissue causing the body to swell, perhaps to as much as twice its normal volume if not constrained by a suit. Over the next 30 to 60 seconds, heart rate slows, blood pressure drops, and blood circulation stops. Gases and water vapor rapidly escape through the mouth and nose causing these parts of the body to drop to near freezing temperatures. The rest of the body cools more slowly.

It doesn't take away the fact that having a breather mask in vacuum is really a stupid idea. If there's no other choice, fine, i'll deal with it. I'll just have a hard time suspending my disbelief, as this is a feeling i can't help but have when seeing this.

Oh, and mr "Hisnamesaysitall", i know this screen name is self discrediting, but come on.

Modifié par brainless78, 29 décembre 2011 - 11:45 .

[Ziggy]

Helmets and proper armour are my pref.

Garrus and Grunt were the only ones in me2 who looked like they were meant to be there, the others looked like they'd just come off some weird kinky cat walk.

Still, eyeroll then back to game.

Modifié par Em23, 29 décembre 2011 - 11:45 .