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[ODST 5723]

Crimson, it sounds like you're arguing that ME1 and ME2 weren't both great games, when despite their flaws, they were. It sounds like you view ME2 as a step down on your primary criteria while I view it as a step up.

Knowing this, do you really think its necessary to continue to argue tastes and preferences? This is what I was talking about earlier when I said that both of us could argue this for days and still be utterly convinced of our positions.

[PsychoWARD23]

Liara has a breathing mask in ME3, it was in the Gamer magazine issue or whatever that magazine's called.

[didymos1120]

Yeah, we know. It's kind of the entire reason this thread exists.

[Sgt Stryker]

Phaedon wrote...

Yeah. The problem here is that hours=/=seconds.

Envirosuit= Suit that is designed to offer you significant protection for prolonged exposure to a specific element.

Using a ME1 hardsuit to deal with a dangerous enviroment is like handling plasma with a cooking glove.

I'm still amazed that people continue to take gameplay mechanics (in this case mechanics which are meant to be an incentive to remain in the MAKO) at face value.

[Il Divo]

crimzontearz wrote...

I dare say Deus Ex had the best idea when it came to inventory

now if only I could bring myself to play that game again but the lack of proper NG+ in a game with progression is a killer for me

I would be comfortable with this.

[didymos1120]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

I'm still amazed that people continue to take gameplay mechanics (in this case mechanics which are meant to be an incentive to remain in the MAKO) at face value.

Or, alternately, an incentive to wear some really ugly armor.

[Sgt Stryker]

@didymos

Actually I liked the way the Explorer series looked.

[didymos1120]

Explorer wasn't bad. The other lines though....

[Xeranx]

Ursa is nice as well. At least light to medium are better than heavy though. I did like the Gladiator line also.

[Lotion Soronarr]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
The entire point of the mass rectuiment was to GET more manpower. How did you miss that?

And why exactly would you need non-soldiers on the mission you had?

And yes, Kasumi not cloaking on her own (Apart from SS) and Thane not being sneaky is just game mechanics. Same with Legion not being able ot hack into ATM's and forward you trillions of credits, and headshots not always inflicting instantly lethal damage, and regenerating health.

Saying "Durr it's just BioWare's fault" just to say it doesn't make you look any smarter.

Well it is BioWare's fault.
They could have made the levels so that sneaking is viable. If not the levels themselves, they could have at least made a mission or two where Thanes, Kasumis and Tali's skillsets were actually IMPORTANT.

You can say "it's game mechanics" all you want, it won't change a damn thing. At the end of the day it's BioWare who choses the game mechanis. They could have implemented all the things you mentioned and made them part of the gameplay - or at elast, part of the STORY. You could have had a justification for Tali, Thane and Kasumi, like you had for Morodin.

[Abraham_uk]

I'm surprised. I didn't expect a thread about breathing masks would be so popular. 31 pages on. Well I have this to say.

What actually happens if an astronaut goes into space with just a breathing mask and half naked? Don't they freeze or swell up?

In Final Fantasy 4, everyone went into space just wearing their costumes and no breathing equipment. Must be magic.

In Mass Effect, there must be some Mass Effect field keeping them alive.

[Lotion Soronarr]

ODST 5723 wrote...

Crimson, it sounds like you're arguing that ME1 and ME2 weren't both great games, when despite their flaws, they were. It sounds like you view ME2 as a step down on your primary criteria while I view it as a step up.

Knowing this, do you really think its necessary to continue to argue tastes and preferences? This is what I was talking about earlier when I said that both of us could argue this for days and still be utterly convinced of our positions.

The only things ME2 does better is the inventory and the gunplay mechanics.

From the story/plot/structure and universe building it is worse than ME1 is every way. This isn't even debatable.

[didymos1120]

Xeranx wrote...

Ursa is nice as well. At least light to medium are better than heavy though. I did like the Gladiator line also.

Those aren't Devlon armors, which are the ones that provide hazard protection (and are largely really ugly).

[didymos1120]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


From the story/plot/structure and universe building it is worse than ME1 is every way. This isn't even debatable.

Oh, it's debatable alright.  It's just not worth debating with people who like to assert that matters which have a large subjective component aren't even debatable.

[ODST 5723]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ODST 5723 wrote...

Crimson, it sounds like you're arguing that ME1 and ME2 weren't both great games, when despite their flaws, they were. It sounds like you view ME2 as a step down on your primary criteria while I view it as a step up.

Knowing this, do you really think its necessary to continue to argue tastes and preferences? This is what I was talking about earlier when I said that both of us could argue this for days and still be utterly convinced of our positions.

The only things ME2 does better is the inventory and the gunplay mechanics.

From the story/plot/structure and universe building it is worse than ME1 is every way. This isn't even debatable.

Thanks.  I'm glad you can tell me about my own tastes and preferences regarding story/plot/structure and the universe... especially which characters I find more appealing and what dialogue I found to be superior.

I obviously share the same opinion as you, as does everyone else... so that can't possibly be debatable.

[AgitatedLemon]

And why exactly would you need non-soldiers on the mission you had?

You don't know what specialists are, do you?

Why does the army field engineers and medics and mechanics, when they could just use more grunts?

Stupid logic is stupid.

[AgitatedLemon]

Abraham_uk wrote...

I'm surprised. I didn't expect a thread about breathing masks would be so popular. 31 pages on. Well I have this to say.

What actually happens if an astronaut goes into space with just a breathing mask and half naked? Don't they freeze or swell up?

In Final Fantasy 4, everyone went into space just wearing their costumes and no breathing equipment. Must be magic.

In Mass Effect, there must be some Mass Effect field keeping them alive.

It's been going on for 31 pages, but only a handful of replies past page 5 actually have to do with breathing masks :|

[Alex_SM]

ME2 is a more exciting and involving game, but once you start to think calmly about the world it show it's clearly much more incoherent than ME1 and ignores lots of lore elements explained in both ME and ME2.

It's a lot like the movie Armageddom (even plot structure is the same). One hell of a ride, extremelly exciting and full of WOW moments. But if you look carefully it's easy to see that nothing makes any sense. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:30 .

[ODST 5723]

You're forgetting the thread prior to this one that was closed due to all of the intentional quote pyramiding.

[Razorsedge820]

I can't believe this thread is still going, my pimp hand is getting awfully twitchy.

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:31 .

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I dare say Deus Ex had the best idea when it came to inventory

now if only I could bring myself to play that game again but the lack of proper NG+ in a game with progression is a killer for me

I would be comfortable with this.

If it was explained in-game that Shepard's crew all got cybernetic augmentation allowing them to survive comfortably in toxic enviroments, and they're never shown in vacuum, I'd be comfortable with it too 

[Abraham_uk]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

I'm surprised. I didn't expect a thread about breathing masks would be so popular. 31 pages on. Well I have this to say.

What actually happens if an astronaut goes into space with just a breathing mask and half naked? Don't they freeze or swell up?

In Final Fantasy 4, everyone went into space just wearing their costumes and no breathing equipment. Must be magic.

In Mass Effect, there must be some Mass Effect field keeping them alive.

It's been going on for 31 pages, but only a handful of replies past page 5 actually have to do with breathing masks :|

Well there is only so much you can say about the topic. Breathing masks areimportant, but so are space and environmental suits. Going into space half naked is a stupid idea.

Yes I said it, Going into space half naked is a stupid idea. Go try it for yourselves.

That probably sums up pages 1-5. As for the rest of the pages probably banter about why some feel ME 1 is better than ME 2 and why some feel ME 2 is better than ME 1. Am I correct.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I dare say Deus Ex had the best idea when it came to inventory

now if only I could bring myself to play that game again but the lack of proper NG+ in a game with progression is a killer for me

I would be comfortable with this.

If it was explained in-game that Shepard's crew all got cybernetic augmentation allowing them to survive comfortably in toxic enviroments, and they're never shown in vacuum, I'd be comfortable with it too 

He's already part cyborg, and we do have those codex entries regarding genetic engineering being used to alter human DNA in various ways. And Shepard was dead for a two year gap, which is the perfect time to shoe-horn in new technology and science. Bioware had everything they needed to make it work. All that's missing is the actual explanation.

Modifié par Il Divo, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:35 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Abraham_uk wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

I'm surprised. I didn't expect a thread about breathing masks would be so popular. 31 pages on. Well I have this to say.

What actually happens if an astronaut goes into space with just a breathing mask and half naked? Don't they freeze or swell up?

In Final Fantasy 4, everyone went into space just wearing their costumes and no breathing equipment. Must be magic.

In Mass Effect, there must be some Mass Effect field keeping them alive.

It's been going on for 31 pages, but only a handful of replies past page 5 actually have to do with breathing masks :|

Well there is only so much you can say about the topic. Breathing masks areimportant, but so are space and environmental suits. Going into space half naked is a stupid idea.

Yes I said it, Going into space half naked is a stupid idea. Go try it for yourselves.

That probably sums up pages 1-5. As for the rest of the pages probably banter about why some feel ME 1 is better than ME 2 and why some feel ME 2 is better than ME 1. Am I correct.

You forgot "****** BW can't follow their own lore WTFKNHSDKNVKNDG"

[Il Divo]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


From the story/plot/structure and universe building it is worse than ME1 is every way. This isn't even debatable.

Oh, it's debatable alright.  It's just not worth debating with people who like to assert that matters which have a large subjective component aren't even debatable.

Pretty much this.