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[J4N3_M3]

to me it's pretty simple, I take what I can get. I don't like helmets because especially during Tali's loyalty mission and her trial, it irked me a lot that I couldn't see Shepard's facial expression during his/her speech. Stupid helmet! Yes I'm a face person in that regard. But those breathing masks are even worse. Especially when you combine them with the armor and suits the squadmates are wearing during certain missions...oh wait, they aren't. See what I mean? I lol-ed - seriously, I did, when I took Jack on the derelict reaper for the first time and she stood there in her regular clothes and a breathing mask. I mean seriously? In the final during ME1 Shepard even told the squaddies to suit up when they had to go outside. I loved that. Sure, helmets again and all but it made sense. So to bring this post to an end: I prefer helmets and armor over what we have right now and breathing masks because at least it makes sense. I rather curse at things that make sense than shaking my head over something that's totally ridiculous.

PS: while I'm at it: I would love armor for Jack that she touches up with spraypaint and stickers! I can't be the only one seeing her pulling a Full Metal Jacket reference here by adding a PEACE sign to her helmet

[Armass81]

Yeah i dont get why they make all these elaborate info on the planets and their conditions, all the the explained things and "supposed" hard scifi explanations in the codex about everything, and then send some crewmates down to hostile environments with just breathing masks and completely exposed skin or in skimpy clothes. Cause you know "it doesnt need to be 100% realistic and we like making breathing masks!" Makes no damn sense... How hard is it to simply make an all purpose vacuum armor and helmet for all the characters? You did it in ME1.

Of course if the environments arent that hostile, except for breathing, then it works, but id imagine some places would have been more than just breathing hazards in ME2 and in ME3. If theyre not, just say so.

Modifié par Armass81, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:02 .

[Phaedon]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Breathing mask is ONLY aspect of the Mass Effect franchise I dislike. Why you say? Why would I hate such a small thing, so insignificant?

So, there you are in a spacecraft, the year is *insert arbitrary future sci-fi date here* and you have a tango tailing you. The aft section is gone, blown to the infinite corners of the universe and the only option is to go EVA. You yank the "breathing mask" from the forward compartment and jettison yourself into the abyss. But what is this? Nope, you're dead, dead as a self respecting man's penis at a Justin Bieber concert. You know why? Vacuum, that's why. That "breathing mask" you thought was going to save your life doesn't work in a vacuum where the temperature and negative pressure kill you almost instantly.

Why Liara, Samara and Miranda have the magical ability to waltz out into a FREAKING OPEN VACUUM and not have their eyes glass over is a miracle of the many gods we all believe in.

Well, it's that in the only two occasions in BioWare games were we exited a spaceship into complete vacuum, we were wearing: a) A huge, fat, suit that rendered you extremely slow, A full suit with a fractured oxygen tank. 

[Welsh Inferno]

Eh, I don't understand why you can't just give us both full helmets and the breathers. Choice.

[Phaedon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I hate them because they add elements of unecessary stupidity to the setting.

It is stupid.

The mask's IQ too low for your standards?

It hurts suspension of disbelief.

Oxygen masks. They are sort of a real thing. People sometimes, like, er, use them, you know.
And, you know, some times people use them when they could have used a full gas masks! Incredible! 

I know that you are going to be surprised by this, but sometimes people just need oxygen, not full skin protection. Like, I don't know, pilots?

It makes the characters look stupid for doing it.

Last time I checked, no one interacted with vacuum while wearing a breathing mask yet, and no one wore a breathing mask in an enviroment with a real toxicity hazard, like the ones which we had in ME1. So, your point is?

They could just as well have characters poke a power outlet with their finger.

UGH!

They wouldn't have power outlets that you can touch with your fingers in the future. There's a thing called Ultra-Supah Safety Futuristic Power Outlets you know. Not to mention that most appliances would be able run on batteries for months.

The  comment about power outlets is stupid,
It hurts my suspension of disbelief,
makes people look stupid for posting it asgfh angst stupid terrible stupid askdfk

Modifié par Phaedon, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:08 .

[CptBomBom00]

WTF? how can ppl whine about breathing masks, for me at least they could have ass tight sealed helmets that would make their eye balls pop out, and I wouldn't give **** about it, what I'm trying to say is I don't care whether a character is wearing a breather mask or a helmet, I just want to play freaking demo already.
*starts crying*
No body understands me.

BTW: who's playing Halo Reach here on 360?

[Captain Crash]

Sometimes aesthetics are acceptable over facts.   Its needed in my opinion in this case.    Yeah I get why some people want to stick to hard facts.  But when omni-blades can now hurt people breather masks are way down the list in things that I can tolerate.


I hate having conversation in a full space helmet just for the stats. In fact I hope Shepard gets a mask this time round.


Also thats a nicer on the eyes then full helmets right  :happy:


 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:10 .

[CroGamer002]

^Though some people like to have helmets all the time on. :-)

[Phaedon]

Captain Crash wrote...
 But when omni-blades can now hurt people breather masks are way down the list in things that I can tolerate.

Omni-blades can almost be replicated with 2011's technolodgy, if the codex entry for them is to be believed.

[CptBomBom00]

Even if they are having an intercourse?

[Someone With Mass]

Phaedon wrote...

Last time I checked, no one interacted with vacuum while wearing a breathing mask yet, and no one wore a breathing mask in an enviroment with a real toxicity hazard, like the ones which we had in ME1. So, your point is?

Except for the planet with chlorine gas as a part of its plant-life's way of self-defense.

[Phaedon]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Even if they are having an intercourse?

Quarians.

[CptBomBom00]

Phaedon wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Even if they are having an intercourse?

Quarians.

 

[Captain Crash]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Though some people like to have helmets all the time on. :-)

Of course thats why Blood Dragon Armour, Inferno Armour ect  are the most popular of all the armours right 


I do get what your saying Mesina dont worry.    A choice of whether to have a full helmet for you and your squad would be ideal.  That way everyones perspective would be catered for. 

[Phaedon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Except for the planet with chlorine gas as a part of its plant-life's way of self-defense.

I know that chlorine gas can be the product of reactions that are made even with regular bleach. Breathing it is the worse kind of exposure, not sure about just having it contact your skin though. I assume that the particles that are left on your skin may cause some irritation after a while, though.

Tis a good point.

Modifié par Phaedon, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:19 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaedon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I hate them because they add elements of unecessary stupidity to the setting.

It is stupid.

The mask's IQ too low for your standards?

The idea is.

It hurts suspension of disbelief.

Oxygen masks. They are sort of a real thing. People sometimes, like, er, use them, you know.
And, you know, some times people use them when they could have used a full gas masks! Incredible! 

I know that you are going to be surprised by this, but sometimes people just need oxygen, not full skin protection. Like, I don't know, pilots?

In space? Oxygen makes don't work in an eviroment where sealed sutis woudl be neede.d
And even then, Shep and his party are in comabt ones. Soldiers in armies wear helmets for a reason.

It makes the characters look stupid for doing it.

Last time I checked, no one interacted with vacuum while wearing a breathing mask yet, and no one wore a breathing mask in an enviroment with a real toxicity hazard, like the ones which we had in ME1. So, your point is?

Oh no? The derelict reaper and boarding the Collector ship are apparently nothing?

They could just as well have characters poke a power outlet with their finger.

UGH!

They wouldn't have power outlets that you can touch with your fingers in the future. There's a thing called Ultra-Supah Safety Futuristic Power Outlets you know. Not to mention that most appliances would be able run on batteries for months.

The  comment about power outlets is stupid,
It hurts my suspension of disbelief,
makes people look stupid for posting it asgfh angst stupid terrible stupid askdfk

Ah.. I see you argumetns are only matched by your eloquence and IQ.
Too bad Phadeon.
I had a better oppinion on you.

[CroGamer002]

Captain Crash wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Though some people like to have helmets all the time on. :-)

Of course thats why Blood Dragon Armour, Inferno Armour ect  are the most popular of all the armours right 


I do get what your saying Mesina dont worry.    A choice of whether to have a full helmet for you and your squad would be ideal.  That way everyones perspective would be catered for. 

I think the reason why you those 2 armors are not popular do to not being able to customize them, not just toggle on/off helmet.

But I won't argue you over that thing, it's pointless since well there should be a choice about this.


Plus I'm in "I don't give a damn" mode about this issue.


Though choice between breather mask, helmet and not have any of those despite the toxic or vacuum area, choice should exist about that.

[didymos1120]

Phaedon wrote...

I know that chlorine gas can be the product of reactions that are made even with regular bleach. Breathing it is the worse kind of exposure, not sure about just having it contact your skin though. I assume that the particles that are left on your skin may cause some irritation after a while, though.

Tis a good point.

Eyes are the more immediate concern.

[Phaedon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The idea is.

Not the syntax is.

In space? Oxygen makes don't work in an eviroment where sealed sutis woudl be neede.d

Well, it's that in the only two occasions in BioWare games were we exited a spaceship into complete vacuum, we were wearing: a) A huge, fat, suit that rendered you extremely slow, A full suit with a fractured oxygen tank.

And even then, Shep and his party are in comabt ones. Soldiers in armies wear helmets for a reason.

Fact: Most combatants of conflicts in 2011 didn't wear helmets.

Shep's party is that of: (not my words) "a ragtag group of mercenaries, criminals and outcasts"

I never saw anyone describe them as an organized army before.

Oh no? The derelict reaper

As I said, even if Cerberus forgot to install temporary ventilization and have breathable air in their research site (a very real possibility!), the Derelict Reaper is within the atmosphere of a brown dwarf.

and boarding the Collector ship are apparently nothing?

Awaiting source of how the Collector ship and the Collector base actually have vacuum, as well as how the Collectors' internal pressure is zero.

Ah.. I see you argumetns are only matched by your eloquence and IQ.
Too bad Phadeon.
I had a better oppinion on you.

"My opinion is better than yours!" 

didymos1120 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

I know that chlorine gas can be the product of reactions that are made even with regular bleach. Breathing it is the worse kind of exposure, not sure about just having it contact your skin though. I assume that the particles that are left on your skin may cause some irritation after a while, though.

Tis a good point.

Eyes are the more immediate concern.

Futuristic contact lenses!  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Right? Right?

Modifié par Phaedon, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:32 .

[didymos1120]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Oh no? The derelict reaper and boarding the Collector ship are apparently nothing?

Collector ship couldn't have been in vacuum.  Collectors were flying around in there, there was no frost on anything that should have had frost on it (e.g. all the bodies), and liquids dripped from the ceiling without sublimating. The Derelict wasn't in vacuum either: most of it was sealed.  I'll give you the toxic though, as the open area was open to the brown dwarf's atmosphere.

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]Phaedon wrote...

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The idea is.[/quote]
Not the syntax is.[/quote]

No, your grasping skills are.


[quote]
[quote]In space? Oxygen makes don't work in an eviroment where sealed sutis woudl be neede.d[/quote]
[quote]Well, it's that in the only two occasions in BioWare games were we exited a spaceship into complete vacuum, we were wearing: a) A huge, fat, suit that rendered you extremely slow, A full suit with a fractured oxygen tank.[/quote][/quote]

No. Jumping from ship to ship in NOT vaucum? A toxic atmospehre is NOT vacuum?
Stop trolling me.


[quote]
[quote]And even then, Shep and his party are in comabt ones. Soldiers in armies wear helmets for a reason.[/quote]
Fact: Most combatants of conflicts in 2011 didn't wear helmets.

Shep's party is that of: (not my words) "a ragtag group of mercenaries, criminals and outcasts"

I never saw anyone describe them as an organized army before.[/quote]

Fact: Your fact is wrong.

Despite what movies tell you, soldiers and mercenaries favor any protection they can get.


[quote]
[quote]Oh no? The derelict reaper [/quote]
As I said, even if Cerberus forgot to install temporary ventilization and have breathable air in their research site (a very real possibility!), the Derelict Reaper is within the atmosphere of a brown dwarf.[/quote]

No. It's in the gravity well. And even if it was in the atmospehre of a brown dwarf, that atmospehre would be anything but healthy for exposed skin.

"Typical atmospheres of known brown dwarfs range in temperature from 2200 down to 750 K"


[quote]
[quote]and boarding the Collector ship are apparently nothing?[/quote]
Awaiting source of how the Collector ship and the Collector base actually have vacuum, as well as how the Collectors' internal pressure is zero.[/quote]

The landing bay is exposed to vacuum.

[Dave of Canada]

I don't see how it harms aesthetics that much to have helmets, how long do you spend wearing them in a full game? How much of that time is spent in conversation?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:47 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Oh no? The derelict reaper and boarding the Collector ship are apparently nothing?

Collector ship couldn't have been in vacuum.  Collectors were flying around in there, there was no frost on anything that should have had frost on it (e.g. all the bodies), and liquids dripped from the ceiling without sublimating. The Derelict wasn't in vacuum either: most of it was sealed.  I'll give you the toxic though, as the open area was open to the brown dwarf's atmosphere.

The place where shep landed on the Colelctor ship was exposed to vacuum. And since you're DEFINATELY going into enemy territory, you'd want armor.

Jumping from ship to ship, trough space - and you say it's not vacuum????

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:48 .

[Someone With Mass]

Phaedon wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Except for the planet with chlorine gas as a part of its plant-life's way of self-defense.

I know that chlorine gas can be the product of reactions that are made even with regular bleach. Breathing it is the worse kind of exposure, not sure about just having it contact your skin though. I assume that the particles that are left on your skin may cause some irritation after a while, though.

Tis a good point.

Well, it has a reaction with the proteins in your skin (I think Grunt comments about how it stings a bit, even) and if you mix it with the right kind of water, it can form hydrochloric acid, which is very corrosive.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 29 décembre 2011 - 12:50 .

[Candidate 88766]

There have been very few occasions where you have been in a vacuum in ME. The only examples I can think of are outside the Citadel Tower and at the end of Arrival - otherwise, neither Shepard or any squadmembers have been in a vacuum.
There was that one planet with a chlorine atmosphere in ME2, but the only real damage from chlorine comes from breathing it in. It can irritate the eyes, but in the future I imagine you can get contact lenses to prevent that, allowing far more visibility than a mask might allow.
And as for the Quarian Fleet, its hardly a stretch to imagine that the new Normandy has a decontamination system in the airlock like the old Normandy.
And finally, why are people saying that soldiers all wear helmets? Most of Shepard's crew aren't soldiers, not in the traditional sense. And soldiers that do wear helmets nowadays wear them to protect their heads from bullets - people in ME have shields to do that. 

These are some examples of modern-day soldiers wearing breathing masks:

 
No exposed skin at all. Oh, wait...