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[Whereto]

Ehh it would be nice to have a helmet for everyone with proper armour, but I can live. I think.

[Candidate 88766]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
 A toxic atmospehre is NOT vacuum?
Stop trolling me.

Are you actually being serious? 

A vacuum is the absence of atmosphere. So he is right, a toxic atmosphere is not a vacuum.

[Candidate 88766]

Whereto wrote...

Ehh it would be nice to have a helmet for everyone with proper armour, but I can live. I think.

Kinda feel the same. In some cases I'd prefer to see them in proper armour. In other cases I'd like to be able to see their faces.

[Someone With Mass]

Even if the armor in Mass Effect isn't really made to absorb bullets, it'd be nice to have. Looks a little more professional when they're not skipping about in skin-tight leather.

[brainless78]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

There have been very few occasions where you have been in a vacuum in ME. The only examples I can think of are outside the Citadel Tower and at the end of Arrival - otherwise, neither Shepard or any squadmembers have been in a vacuum.
There was that one planet with a chlorine atmosphere in ME2, but the only real damage from chlorine comes from breathing it in. It can irritate the eyes, but in the future I imagine you can get contact lenses to prevent that, allowing far more visibility than a mask might allow.
And as for the Quarian Fleet, its hardly a stretch to imagine that the new Normandy has a decontamination system in the airlock like the old Normandy.
And finally, why are people saying that soldiers all wear helmets? Most of Shepard's crew aren't soldiers, not in the traditional sense. And soldiers that do wear helmets nowadays wear them to protect their heads from bullets - people in ME have shields to do that. 

These are some examples of modern-day soldiers wearing breathing masks:
*snip*
*snip*
No exposed skin at all. Oh, wait...

That's not NBC protection.
NBC looks like this, and it's fully sealed:

Modifié par brainless78, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:00 .

[Whereto]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Whereto wrote...

Ehh it would be nice to have a helmet for everyone with proper armour, but I can live. I think.

Kinda feel the same. In some cases I'd prefer to see them in proper armour. In other cases I'd like to be able to see their faces.

And I think that is what most people feel about the issue.

[HolyAvenger]

Say it with me folks:

Mass. Effect. Fields.

If it doesn't make sense, a mass effect field did it.

[Shepard the Leper]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

There have been very few occasions where you have been in a vacuum in ME. The only examples I can think of are outside the Citadel Tower and at the end of Arrival - otherwise, neither Shepard or any squadmembers have been in a vacuum.

The Collector Ship is in a vacuum; Shep escapes the Derelict Reaper in a vacuum; Shepard enters the Collector base in a vacuum; Shepard fights on top of the Shadow Broker vessel in a vacuum - in those examples the game doesn't show or hint towards anything else. And in that case the tiniest of holes in any suit would kill the person in it.

Masks are ok in other environments, but they won't work in space. And since the excursions into space (vacuum) are slim, I would have expected Bioware to at least add full helmets for everyone during those scenes.

[Phaedon]

1) I agree that my grasping skills are. That is quite the deep and eloquent deduction.

2) 'A toxic atmosphere is not vacuum'
Oh my goodness- Why,just why. This is just tragic to say the least.

3) Wikipedia should have a list of armed conflicts in 2011. Check each party involved, their numbers, and how many of them were part of an organized army that actually issued them helmets or even standardized uniforms.

4) I don't care what tacticool games have taught you, but most real mercs don't even have standardized uniforms. Again, look at theyear that just passed.

5) Well, seeing that the Cerberus agents survived enough to get indoctrinated, that certainly would not have been the problem unless they forgot to breathe. The air was fully breathable.

6) The landing bay's door is not permanently open, and is within the ship ME field.

[Whereto]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

There have been very few occasions where you have been in a vacuum in ME. The only examples I can think of are outside the Citadel Tower and at the end of Arrival - otherwise, neither Shepard or any squadmembers have been in a vacuum.

The Collector Ship is in a vacuum; Shep escapes the Derelict Reaper in a vacuum; Shepard enters the Collector base in a vacuum; Shepard fights on top of the Shadow Broker vessel in a vacuum - in those examples the game doesn't show or hint towards anything else. And in that case the tiniest of holes in any suit would kill the person in it.

Masks are ok in other environments, but they won't work in space. And since the excursions into space (vacuum) are slim, I would have expected Bioware to at least add full helmets for everyone during those scenes.

I'd do believe though that the collector base is a sealed environment. If it was a vacuum wouldn't there be some organic elements frozen? Maybe my space biology is stuffed... Also Garrus does normally wear a helemt in a toxic environment and he didn't have one on along with none of the crew, which would of died when you got them out of the pods

[didymos1120]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


No. Jumping from ship to ship in NOT vaucum?

Not if it's in an atmosphere, no.

A toxic atmospehre is NOT vacuum?

Um, it's an atmosphere.  So it's not by definition.

No. It's in the gravity well. And even if it was in the atmospehre of a brown dwarf, that atmospehre would be anything but healthy for exposed skin.

"Typical atmospheres of known brown dwarfs range in temperature from 2200 down to 750 K"

Realistically, full hardsuits wouldn't be able to keep you cool in those temperatures anyway. You'd need some serious active cooling to cope. The lack of helmets is kind of moot, given that. They really shouldn't have made Mnemosyne such a young, active dwarf.  And even being in the very upper reaches of the atmosphere doesn't help on that score.

[didymos1120]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

The Collector Ship is in a vacuum; Shep escapes the Derelict Reaper in a vacuum; Shepard enters the Collector base in a vacuum; Shepard fights on top of the Shadow Broker vessel in a vacuum .

Those are all incorrect. 

[Patchwork]

If seeing squadies faces is that important to BW why not have a full helmet with a clear face?

The masks just look silly imo.

[Sowtaaw]

just copy and paste the inferno armor helmets on the squadies problem solved.

[nitefyre410]

Oh old thread shut down... new thread starts and the cycle continues

[Wulfram]

Liara's unpreparedness for Vacuums will be a big problem when the secret Reaper weapon is revealed

Modifié par Wulfram, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:45 .

[Nerevar-as]

So again our party will be using masks in toxic enviroments while everyone else will be wearing sealed helmets. It´s not only vacuum, ME2 had a planet with a high concentration of chlorine in the atmosphere and the squad walked with exposed eyes and skin.

If you want to show the character faces use helmets with transparent face plates, it´s not so immersion breaking and you can still show off facial animations if it´s that important to you.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 29 décembre 2011 - 01:55 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
 A toxic atmospehre is NOT vacuum?
Stop trolling me.

Are you actually being serious? 

A vacuum is the absence of atmosphere. So he is right, a toxic atmosphere is not a vacuum.

Speed typo.

A toxic atmosphere stil lrequires a sealed suit. Not exposed skin.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
And finally, why are people saying that soldiers all wear helmets? Most of Shepard's crew aren't soldiers, not in the traditional sense. And soldiers that do wear helmets nowadays wear them to protect their heads from bullets - people in ME have shields to do that.

And shields fail.
Ever heard of protection layers?

Interesting how EVERYONE ELSE seems to have armor - mercenaries, assasins, troopers. Everyone of note who goes into combat often and expect battle has armor - except Sheppards team. GO FIGURE!

[Ianamus]

I agree that the breathing masks are ridiculous, especially in areas filled with dangerous gas (that would probably really hurt the eyes) or a vacuum (Miranda's face wouldn't be worth looking at after it explodes)

It's why I take Tali everywhere. At least she wears a full mask.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaedon wrote...

3) Wikipedia should have a list of armed conflicts in 2011. Check each party involved, their numbers, and how many of them were part of an organized army that actually issued them helmets or even standardized uniforms.

Not having acess to helmets and fighting in atmosphere is quite different from having acess to helmets and not wearing them while fighting in space.
I'm sure if those peopel were offered proper protection, they'd turn it down.
And of course, a lot of those conflict we 're talking about are guerilla warfare where the object is to blend in with the populace. Which kinda doesn't work for Sheppard.

4) I don't care what tacticool games have taught you, but most real mercs don't even have standardized uniforms. Again, look at theyear that just passed.

They don't have to be standardized to be protective. Mercenaries often purchase their own gear - depending on funds available. Tehy might wear different flack/kelvar jackets or use different guns, but they go around naked.

5) Well, seeing that the Cerberus agents survived enough to get indoctrinated, that certainly would not have been the problem unless they forgot to breathe. The air was fully breathable.

In that specific part, probably. However, jumping from the derelict reaper to the Normandy trough space..you kinda fly trough space..ya know..

6) The landing bay's door is not permanently open, and is within the ship ME field.

Ships ME field does not equal air bubble. Read what a ME field does. Holding air is not in the description.

There's a different, unexplaind bluish field for that, and it is deeper inside the ship. When Shep and team exist the shuttle, they are exposed. Tehy walk to the force field or whatever it is.

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]didymos1120 wrote...

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...


No. Jumping from ship to ship in NOT vaucum?[/quote]

Not if it's in an atmosphere, no.[/quote]

It's not.






[quote]No. It's in the gravity well. And even if it was in the atmospehre of a brown dwarf, that atmospehre would be anything but healthy for exposed skin.

"Typical atmospheres of known brown dwarfs range in temperature from 2200 down to 750 K"[/quote]

Realistically, full hardsuits wouldn't be able to keep you cool in those temperatures anyway. You'd need some serious active cooling to cope. The lack of helmets is kind of moot, given that. They really shouldn't have made Mnemosyne such a young, active dwarf.  And even being in the very upper reaches of the atmosphere doesn't help on that score.
[/quote]

Double fail by Bioware then.

[didymos1120]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Even if the armor in Mass Effect isn't really made to absorb bullets, it'd be nice to have. Looks a little more professional when they're not skipping about in skin-tight leather.

The actual purpose of armor lore-wise has to do with the fact that kinetic barriers aren't perfect.  Rounds slip through, though at reduced velocity.  The armor/ballistic fabric layer is there to catch those that aren't stopped outright but are still quite capable of injuring or killing.  If your barriers go down entirely, though, you're just hosed.  Doesn't matter how nice your hardsuit and/or helmet is at that point.

[Nexis7]

...guys you need to find more outlets

[didymos1120]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


No. Jumping from ship to ship in NOT vaucum?

Not if it's in an atmosphere, no.

It's not.

You're supposed to click the link.  The derelict is clearly within the atmosphere. The really, really hot atmosphere, granted, but the atmosphere nonetheless.