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[Blacklash93]

I've heard a lot of different opinions regarding the, as most say, "All Bi" romances.  I'm interested in seeing whether or not people would like Bioware to continue this style of implementation with the romances (at least with DA). So... what's your opinion? I'd also like to hear your reasons to why you hold that opinion. Debates are welcome, but not heated arguments.

Any blatant attacks on anyone or any group of people will be reported. Just because someone wants this style of romances doesn't mean they want to cheapen your game experience and just because someone doesn't want this style of romances doesn't mean they're homophobic. Try to see others' perspectives and most importantly be respectful. So play nice.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 29 décembre 2011 - 08:48 .

[jlb524]

Yes, plz.

Why? I dunno, I like choices and it provides choices fairly.

I don't think it's fair that heterosexual-PCs can pick from all the LIs that they would possibly be interested in while homosexual-PCs are stuck with one.

Of course, you may say 'Lol, life isn't fair!' but I think this unfairness is pretty easy to fix.

Modifié par jlb524, 29 décembre 2011 - 05:58 .

[Ihatebadgames]

I think they should all be bi as then everyone gets the story lines they like.My MaleSheps are straight and my FemSheps are gay.Can't romance a male love interest,but want to see as many story lines as possible.

[Rawgrim]

I found it very unrealistic that all of the love interests in the game was bisexuall. I am sure it had something to do with the game being rushed, though. If i remember correctly, playing a male or female in the game had no bearing on anything at all. Iam all for gay rights and all that, but i don`t like guys hitting on me. And having my Hawke accidentally ending up in a gay relationship with anders, was most uncool (clocked a convo option by mistake, and that was that).

[Angangseh]

I do prefer the "All Bi" Romances. At first i was skeptical because I thought it was unrealistic but then I realized that it is an Role Playing Fantasy Game and you should be able to role play as whom ever you like and romance which ever companion(s) which are available to you. In addition I also realized that it wasn't necessarily a bad thing because it gives you a lot more choice - you don't have to role a gender you may not want to just to romance the LI that you want.

However it would be better if all the character that were Bi matched their character, for example Isabela is Bi and it is part of her character but I couldn't see a character like Morrigan ever being bi because it doesn't fit in with her character or the was she was raised. Bad examples I know but there you have it.

Modifié par Angangseh, 29 décembre 2011 - 06:14 .

[Atakuma]

Rawgrim wrote...

I found it very unrealistic that all of the love interests in the game was bisexuall. I am sure it had something to do with the game being rushed, though. If i remember correctly, playing a male or female in the game had no bearing on anything at all. Iam all for gay rights and all that, but i don`t like guys hitting on me. And having my Hawke accidentally ending up in a gay relationship with anders, was most uncool (clocked a convo option by mistake, and that was that).

The male/female option has never had any bearing on anything important in a bioware game.

[alex90c]

Rawgrim wrote...

I found it very unrealistic that all of the love interests in the game was bisexuall. I am sure it had something to do with the game being rushed, though. If i remember correctly, playing a male or female in the game had no bearing on anything at all. Iam all for gay rights and all that, but i don`t like guys hitting on me. And having my Hawke accidentally ending up in a gay relationship with anders, was most uncool (clocked a convo option by mistake, and that was that).

you dont like guys hitting on you?

oh man, inb4 YOURE A DIRTY HOMOPHOBE

[Rawgrim]

Atakuma wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I found it very unrealistic that all of the love interests in the game was bisexuall. I am sure it had something to do with the game being rushed, though. If i remember correctly, playing a male or female in the game had no bearing on anything at all. Iam all for gay rights and all that, but i don`t like guys hitting on me. And having my Hawke accidentally ending up in a gay relationship with anders, was most uncool (clocked a convo option by mistake, and that was that).

The male/female option has never had any bearing on anything important in a bioware game.

Yes it has had a bearing on plenty of games. If you played a male in BG2 and romanced Jaheira, for example, you got some quests related to that. Couldn`t get those if you were female, since everyone wasn`t gay in BG2. I do belive Kotor had similar things as well. In BG2 you could also make Aerie pregnant. that couldn`t happen if you were female. As a male in Dragon age Origins, you could do the dark ritual and create a god-child. You couldn`t do that as a female (Could have alistair do it though). So yes. Being a male or a female did have bearings in older Bioware games.

[Dutchess]

I didn't really mind it in DA2, but I think it would have been odd in DAO if for instance Alistair would have been bi as well. I suppose it depends on how it's done and how the characters are written. If it is handled the same way as in DA2, I think it is a good solution to allow same sex relationships. It might be unrealistic in a certain way, but it is a game and more aspects of the romance options are unrealistic.

[Rawgrim]

It would be better if the game had an option during character creation, actually. Gay, Bi or Hetero. That would remove all of the possible complaints anyone would have about the issue.

[Realmzmaster]

Rawgrim wrote...

I found it very unrealistic that all of the love interests in the game was bisexuall. I am sure it had something to do with the game being rushed, though. If i remember correctly, playing a male or female in the game had no bearing on anything at all. Iam all for gay rights and all that, but i don`t like guys hitting on me. And having my Hawke accidentally ending up in a gay relationship with anders, was most uncool (clocked a convo option by mistake, and that was that).

If you have the Exiled Prince, Sebastian is a love interest and not homosexual. The romamce is simply platonic.

[Rawgrim]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I found it very unrealistic that all of the love interests in the game was bisexuall. I am sure it had something to do with the game being rushed, though. If i remember correctly, playing a male or female in the game had no bearing on anything at all. Iam all for gay rights and all that, but i don`t like guys hitting on me. And having my Hawke accidentally ending up in a gay relationship with anders, was most uncool (clocked a convo option by mistake, and that was that).

If you have the Exiled Prince, Sebastian is a love interest and not homosexual. The romamce is simply platonic.

I do have that DLC, but I didn`t use Sebastian much (got him way too late in the game).

[jlb524]

Rawgrim wrote...
Yes it has had a bearing on plenty of games. If you played a male in BG2 and romanced Jaheira, for example, you got some quests related to that. Couldn`t get those if you were female, since everyone wasn`t gay in BG2. I do belive Kotor had similar things as well. In BG2 you could also make Aerie pregnant. that couldn`t happen if you were female. As a male in Dragon age Origins, you could do the dark ritual and create a god-child. You couldn`t do that as a female (Could have alistair do it though). So yes. Being a male or a female did have bearings in older Bioware games.

Only in deciding who you could romance or not...outside of that...no real bearing.

[Atakuma]

Rawgrim wrote...

Yes it has had a bearing on plenty of games. If you played a male in BG2 and romanced Jaheira, for example, you got some quests related to that. Couldn`t get those if you were female, since everyone wasn`t gay in BG2. I do belive Kotor had similar things as well. In BG2 you could also make Aerie pregnant. that couldn`t happen if you were female. As a male in Dragon age Origins, you could do the dark ritual and create a god-child. You couldn`t do that as a female (Could have alistair do it though). So yes. Being a male or a female did have bearings in older Bioware games.

I said important things, you might have gotten a quest here and there but that was rare and for the most part The games are pretty gender neutral. As for the dark ritual, they gave you an easy alternative so that doesn't count in my book.

[Rawgrim]

It does have bearings on how the endings are as well, not just quests here and there. I guess quests and the endings of a roleplaying game isn`t an important factor...

[jlb524]

Rawgrim wrote...
It does have bearings on how the endings are as well, not just quests here and there. I guess quests and the endings of a roleplaying game isn`t an important factor...

The only times gender has mattered in BW games is when:

1)  the male PC could posibly impregnate a female...that only happens twice?  (and with Aerie you have to fully romance her to even know that this is possible).

2)  some sleaze-bag hits on the female PC (like Harkin)

3)  to prevent a female PC from initiating a romance or even flirting with a female NPC (or male PC with male NPC) even though the romance content itself is typically not all that gendered...I know b/c I've played a lot of 'hacked' BW f/f romances.

Modifié par jlb524, 29 décembre 2011 - 06:43 .

[Rawgrim]

jlb524 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
It does have bearings on how the endings are as well, not just quests here and there. I guess quests and the endings of a roleplaying game isn`t an important factor...

The only times gender has mattered in BW games is when:

1)  the male PC could posibly impregnate a female...that only happens twice?  (and with Aerie you have to fully romance her to even know that this is possible).

2)  some sleaze-bag hits on the female PC (like Harkin)

3)  to prevent a female PC from initiating a romance or even flirting with a female NPC (or male PC with male NPC) even though the romance content itself is typically not all that gendered.

Gender had a bearing on alot of things in BG2, for example.

If you romance Jaheira, you got several pretty big quests further on. Access to new equipment as well. She could also get kidnapped and turned into a vampire by Bodhi, You then had the option to kill her, and later travel to an old temple and ressurect her via a ritual.

If you romanced Viconia, you could convince her to become a better person (change her alignment). If you managed to do that, it had a huge bearing on her as a character. It also made a huge difference for her Ending, as well.

As a male, you could also sleep with one of the drow priestesses, to gain her trust. The game is stuffed with little things like that. All of wich has very much to do with your gender. Some also include race + gender as well.

This adds to the replayability factor of the game as well. That bit is lacking in DA2, since all the romances are exactly the same no matter what kind of character you are playing.

[Brockololly]

Not really, no. I prefer having more exclusivity in the romances and other aspects of the game and having the writers write more defined NPCs that react more to the PC. So instead of having everyone nebulously bisexual or Hawkesexual, just have defined straight, bi and homosexual characters. Like New Vegas had characters that were straight, bi and homosexual.

In DA2 it felt too much like ego stroking the PC in how everyone was jumping all over Hawke. I'd say thats a problem in all BioWare romances really, not just DA2 and I'd prefer it if there was more reactivity and maybe actual difficulty in starting romances based on who your PC was. I liked it when somebody like Aveline turned you down or when Samara turned you down or when as a male Warden, Alistair can be your best bro or as a female Warden, Morrigan can be your BFF. Those instances of the NPC having more set preferences and personalities makes for more interesting RP with defining your own PC, I think, as opposed to always getting your way.

[CuriousArtemis]

I love it and would be furious if DA3 returned to having straight-only LI options. Also, I don't really mind when a same-sex person hits on me OR my PC because I am not a gigantic homophobe.

[jlb524]

Brockololly wrote...
Not really, no. I prefer having more exclusivity in the romances and other aspects of the game and having the writers write more defined NPCs that react more to the PC. So instead of having everyone nebulously bisexual or Hawkesexual, just have defined straight, bi and homosexual characters. Like New Vegas had characters that were straight, bi and homosexual.

They say they won't do homosexual characters, so the only people benefitting from this 'exclusivity' are those that play heterosexual characters...funny how that works.

Brockololly wrote... 
In DA2 it felt too much like ego stroking the PC in how everyone was jumping all over Hawke. I'd say thats a problem in all BioWare romances really, not just DA2 and I'd prefer it if there was more reactivity and maybe actual difficulty in starting romances based on who your PC was.

It is a problem in all BW romances, including DA:O...honestly, everyone was jumping all over the Warden regardless of anything about that character besides gender.

Brockololly wrote...  
I liked it when somebody like Aveline turned you down or when Samara turned you down or when as a male Warden, Alistair can be your best bro or as a female Warden, Morrigan can be your BFF. Those instances of the NPC having more set preferences and personalities makes for more interesting RP with defining your own PC, I think, as opposed to always getting your way.

What, Zevran can't be your bro or Leliana can't be your BFF b/c they are open to both genders?

If you RP a heterosexual PC you will always get your own way because you can romance any LI of the opposite sex pretty easily.   But I guess it would be bad if homosexual PCs also got to do this...

Modifié par jlb524, 29 décembre 2011 - 06:57 .

[Rawgrim]

Every love interest in a game being bisexual, is unrealistic. Its not homophobic to want some realism in a game.

[jlb524]

Rawgrim wrote...

Every love interest in a game being bisexual, is unrealistic. Its not homophobic to want some realism in a game.

So is every LI ignoring race, class, morality and jumping in bed with the PC regardlesss.

[Rawgrim]

jlb524 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Every love interest in a game being bisexual, is unrealistic. Its not homophobic to want some realism in a game.

So is every LI ignoring race, class, morality and jumping in bed with the PC regardlesss.

Yup. And this wasn`t the case in BG2. You couldn`t romance Viconia, as an elven character. It wasn`t possible to romance Jaheira as a dwarf either. If your character was Lawful Good, Viconia was out of the picture. If you were evil, Aerie was out of the picture. Kind of what i have been saying all along.