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[jlb524]

tmp7704 wrote...
You've said the thread answered your question with nothing but silence and telling you to shut up. Even though you were actually also given multiple posts which tried to provide you with actual answer, ones which you did acknowledge, with responses you simply couldn't understand that reasoning. So how was your description which omitted that not a lie?

That's why i asked -- because your description was false, it got me curious whether you're knowingly making the stuff up and thought no one would call you out on it, or if you somehow mentally blocked everything that didn't match your interpretation, and genuinely believe your recollection of events is true.

Though at this point the wide-eyed innocence act gets bit too tiresome, so nevermind.

Yes

jlb524 wrote...

Ah yes, it's totes okay that both Morrigan and Leliana would want to make it with this guy:

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

But it's not totes okay that Merrill and Isabela could possibly want to make it with my atttactive and charming femaleHawke.

[rak72]

Ryzaki wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That is true.

I however do not see someone as vain as Morrigan seriously romancing a Warden that looked like that. The others? Yeah sure. Morrigan? Nah.

Like I said earlier in the thread - Morigans main goal was the OGB.  She is going to play nice with him no matter what he looks like or what his race.  And besides - ugly guys get beautiful girls all the time.  There are many more variables involved other than looks. Plus, if you spent 2 years traveling with Oghren, that might start looking pretty good.

Playing nice =! willing romancing him if she didn't have to.

Remember the Warden can be female and her only way of getting the OGB can be Alistair. She certainly didn't bother to play nice with him. She's banking on the Warden wanting to live enough to sleep with her. Sleeping with him before then is simply a bonus. One that I don't see her going with if she finds him ugly.

...and yeah no. 2 years with Oghren is still just no. Morrigan can seduce a random villager in town if she starts getting that desperate. (Plus she wasn't with the Warden for 2 years).

Ugly guys get beautiful girls when they have money all the time. Warden's pretty damn broke until endgame.

It would make her objective a lot easier if they were already knockin boots.  I know the developers say otherwise, but I think of the Wardens jorney as 2 years since Wynn told my mage that it has been a year since they left the tower after the first treaty is complete.

It's not just about the money either, girls fall all over super confident bad asses all the time - which the warden is.  Plus he's good in bed.

[jlb524]

Female Warden is very good in bed.

Leliana told me this.

And she's confident!

Modifié par jlb524, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:05 .

[rak72]

jlb524 wrote...

Female Warden is very good in bed.

Leliana told me this.

And she's confident!

That's not the point.  The question is why would Morrigan want to get with the super ugly Warden.  That is one of the reasons.

[Ryzaki]

rak72 wrote...
It would make her objective a lot easier if they were already knockin boots.  I know the developers say otherwise, but I think of the Wardens jorney as 2 years since Wynn told my mage that it has been a year since they left the tower after the first treaty is complete.

It's not just about the money either, girls fall all over super confident bad asses all the time - which the warden is.  Plus he's good in bed.

It would. But it's not at all necessary to her goal. The thing that makes her goal easiest is that it saves the Warden's life. That doesn't change just because they're sleeping together.

Sorry gonna go with devs word over yours. It's only been a year during the Warden's journey (less then that actually. DAO is six months while Awakening is another six I believe).

Again does Morrigan really seem the type to let someone not overly attractive touch her? I'm not seeing it. I could see Morrigan grinning and bearing it for the sake of the OGB but before that? Nope.

And this isn't even getting into the whole "Ugly warden might be the white knight type that she can't stand." thing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:09 .

[jlb524]

rak72 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Female Warden is very good in bed.

Leliana told me this.

And she's confident!

That's not the point.  The question is why would Morrigan want to get with the super ugly Warden.  That is one of the reasons.

But if a hot female can twinge her thang very well, why wouldn't she want to get with her?

[Ryzaki]

Plus female might put in a good word for her with Alistair if she trusts her. The whole "I love you and even though I don't want to I have to do this so you'll live my love." thing.

Actually it would benefit Morrigan greatly to either be sweet on Alistair or the femWarden. But she doesn't? Why? Because they're probably not her type.

Not sure why ugly male Warden gets a pass.

And those ugly men who get all the females are almost always very powerful, rich and influential. The Warden has none of that during most of the game. Being a good lay is great but...don't see Morrigan starting a relationship over it. Especially not with someone who needs a bag over his head.

She's very prideful. She would want her lover to be the envy of everyone not a "ewwww he's pretty fugly. Why is she with him?" type.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:14 .

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

Plus hot female might put in a good word for her with Alistair if she trusts her.

That's how my Morrigan/FemaleWarden romance worked XD

Morrigan suckered her in!

Morrigan:  Go convince your best friend to have sex with me baby.

Warden:  dur.. Okay!  Do we get to have sex then?

Morrigan:  Eh, nah.

Warden:  Why why why?  *broken heart*

Actually, FemWarden/Morrigan makes for a great romance if you like your heart to be trampled on.  I never felt so depressed when I did that playthrough...and I loved it!

Modifié par jlb524, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:15 .

[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Plus hot female might put in a good word for her with Alistair if she trusts her.

That's how my Morrigan/FemaleWarden romance worked XD

Morrigan suckered her in!

Morrigan:  Go convince your best friend to have sex with me baby.

Warden:  dur.. Okay!  Do we get to have sex then?

Morrigan:  Eh, nah.

Warden:  Why why why?  *broken heart*

Really though I'm not thinking Morrigan's a mastermind at wanting that OGB. It looks like she thought the "It'll save your life plus you can sleep with me." would be the big sell. Alas with my femWarden and Alistair it resulted in a.

"Yeah no. GTFO thx." 

[jlb524]

I think they seriously missed out on eliminating the FemWarden/Morrigan romance...damn that was tough. Morrigan just wants your ass to go over to Alistair to convince him to sleep with her. It's brutal and heart-wrenching...it's great!

"I don't want you right now b/c you can't get me pregnant...so be gone with you!"

*cries*

The MaleWarden 'let's spend one last night together' stuff is weak-sauce compared to that drama.

Modifié par jlb524, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:21 .

[tmp7704]

Ryzaki wrote...

Not sure why ugly male Warden gets a pass.

Out of necessity, because the game has no way to judge whether the player's character looks attractive.

The only practical way to ensure that would be by locking down appearance customization and providing you with some fixed looks instead. Except that'd be for many pretty much a disaster instead of an actual solution to the problem, so it's probably better they don't try to "fix" that.

Modifié par tmp7704, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:23 .

[jlb524]

tmp7704 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Not sure why ugly male Warden gets a pass.

Out of necessity, because the game has no way to judge whether the player's character looks attractive.

The only practical way to ensure that would be by locking down appearance customization and providing you with some fixed looks instead. Except that'd be for many pretty much a disaster instead of an actual solution to the problem, so it's probably better they don't try to "fix" that.

I think it best that they don't fix the gender thing.

[tmp7704]

jlb524 wrote...

I think it best that they don't fix the gender thing.

Unlike the looks, character's gender is something the game can determine quite easily.

[jlb524]

tmp7704 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I think it best that they don't fix the gender thing.

Unlike the looks, character's gender is something the game can determine quite easily.

Okay, why should it limit based on gender then?

[Ryzaki]

tmp7704 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Not sure why ugly male Warden gets a pass.

Out of necessity, because the game has no way to judge whether the player's character looks attractive.

The only practical way to ensure that would be by locking down appearance customization and providing you with some fixed looks instead. Except that'd be for many pretty much a disaster instead of an actual solution to the problem, so it's probably better they don't try to "fix" that.

True.

But I like the gender blindness of the DA2 LIs (to an extent anyway. They do still recognize my Hawke's gender). I'm not fond of the 2 or more straight LIs and one token bi LI of each gender thing.

[tmp7704]

jlb524 wrote...

Okay, why should it limit based on gender then?

For the reasons we've already discussed a few pages back, and which you said you couldn't understand.

[jlb524]

tmp7704 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Okay, why should it limit based on gender then?

For the reasons we've already discussed a few pages back, and which you said you couldn't understand.

Realism?  Character integrity?

[Ryzaki]

Realism would severely lessen poor Shep's choices of romantic partners.

1 alien being interested is already a stretch. 4 is downright ludicrous. (Liara, Thane, Tali and Garrus being the four).

[tmp7704]

Ryzaki wrote...

But I like the gender blindness of the DA2 LIs (to an extent anyway. They do still recognize my Hawke's gender). I'm not fond of the 2 or more straight LIs and one token bi LI of each gender thing.

I don't really like the "make them bi because yay, content sharing" approach myself, neither in DAO nor DA2. I'd much rather the content was produced to match character design, not the other way around (meaning characters having whatever orientation the writers would feel suit them the most)

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

Realism would severely lessen poor straight Shep's choices of romantic partners.

1 alien being interested is already a stretch. 4 is downright ludicrous. (Liara, Thane, Tali and Garrus being the four).

We can't have that.

tmp7704 wrote...
I don't really like the "make them bi because yay, content sharing" approach myself, neither in DAO nor DA2. I'd much rather the content was produced to match character design, not the other way around (meaning characters having whatever orientation the writers would feel suit them the most)

Which is fine...but that's not the issue raised in this thread.

Given the 'BW approach' of open romances...why limit with just gender?

Modifié par jlb524, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:35 .

[Abispa]

NOT EVERYONE IS "BI" IN DA2. And not everyone will be "bi" in future games. Most, but not all, of the LOVE INTERESTS will probably be "bi" or "hero-sexual" in future DA games. Only FOUR of the eight possible party members were "bi" and one of the LI was still "straight."

EDIT: Sorry, for some reason when I opened this thread it was only showing me the first two pages. Now that my post is in there the others have shown up. I see it's been covered.

Modifié par Abispa, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:37 .

[Ryzaki]

tmp7704 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

But I like the gender blindness of the DA2 LIs (to an extent anyway. They do still recognize my Hawke's gender). I'm not fond of the 2 or more straight LIs and one token bi LI of each gender thing.

I don't really like the "make them bi because yay, content sharing" approach myself, neither in DAO nor DA2. I'd much rather the content was produced to match character design, not the other way around (meaning characters having whatever orientation the writers would feel suit them the most)

And how do you know that wasn't the way the characters were designed in the first place? Unless you were buzzing around in the writer's head (or the writers themselves said the characters were all made bi from straight/gay for content) there's no way to know.

[jlb524]

Abispa wrote...
NOT EVERYONE IS "BI" IN DA2. And not everyone will be "bi" in future games. Most, but not all, of the LOVE INTERESTS will probably be "bi" or "hero-sexual" in future DA games. Only FOUR of the eight possible party members were "bi" and one of the LI was still "straight."

You rock!

Nah, seriously, your posts are always entertaining XD

[tmp7704]

Ryzaki wrote...

And how do you know that wasn't the way the characters were designed in the first place? Unless you were buzzing around in the writer's head (or the writers themselves said the characters were all made bi from straight/gay for content) there's no way to know.

Think that's what Mr.Gaider pretty much said regarding it. I can't unfortunately provide a link -- there was plenty long threads about this subject in the past, and the search for this forums is woefully lacking.

[jlb524]

Merrill isn't bisexual.

She's pansexual. Cuz I say so.