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[Epic777]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MELTOR13 wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Yep, Witcher 2, DE:HR and Alpha protocol are what we should be comparing mass effect to and in that case, the ME games fare poorly...hell, they fare poorly compared to DA:O and that's a bioware game

Didn't Alpha Protocol suck? It got lackluster reviews across the board. I couldn't play DE:HR more than a couple of hours before giving up on it. Don't play PC games, so I haven't played Witcher 2, but I have read and heard that it was quite a game. 

Alpha Protocol had some pretty weak graphics and gameplay, but it was great in the writing and choices departments. Definitely underrated.

Argh its like Arcanum (made by the same people) all over again. That game is probably the hardest game I remember 'reviewing'. How do you rate a game the is good at the elements of its own genre but is poor on video game elements and technical excellence? 

[Chuvvy]

jreezy wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Can't see how you can compare Skyrim and ME3, besides killling things. They are two completely different types of RPG's. (Someone post a Captain Obvious img for my post.)

I can't see how people make statements like this. It really is puzzling.

Elaborate. Skyrim is a very different type of RPG. Skyrim is an open world do anything kill anything game. It's not story drivin, nor is it character drivin. It's first person melee comabt compared to third person gun combat. Your PC is chosen by you and isn't really a character more of a porxy through wich you experience skyrim. There are no relationships with the characters in the game, they're just there. It's apples and oranges. You'd be much better off comparing the ME franchise (ME1 to a lesser extent) to Uncharted franchise and Skyrim to Dark Souls. Those are games I can draw similarities between.

Modifié par Slidell505, 31 décembre 2011 - 05:58 .

[Il Divo]

Biotic Sage wrote...

And I really have to agree with you.  Both types of games have their merits.  Player choice can be very empowering; focused narrative / authorial direction can give us a powerful story.  I like both types, but they are really different experiences.  Personally, I usually prefer a game to lean toward the linear side of things but still have elements of player choice (e.g. Mass Effect / KOTOR / Dragon Age).

I tend to lean that way too. As you say, the Bethesda style of freedom and an open world provides its own benefits, but the one thing the Bethesda game typically lacks is what I call "ultimate satisfaction", that feeling at having finished the experience and can comfortably say to have completed the game. With Bethesda games, the experience tends to be over when I get bored with any character concept, which means that the end of the experience is always rather flat, in comparison to Bioware and games of other genres.

Modifié par Il Divo, 31 décembre 2011 - 06:08 .

[didymos1120]

jreezy wrote...

Simple: Comparisons are easy to make.

One can even compare apples and oranges. Turns out, they have a hell of a lot in common.

[Inspectre]

JeffZero wrote...
Hell, sure it was mostly randomly-generated and there's nothing nearly so immersive about a top-down camera angle, but who cares about technology and graphics and other stupid things only Call of Duty players like?

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Someone ban the troll.

[Fiery Phoenix]

You don't ban someone for expressing an opinion.

[argonian persona]

What would you like to see from Skyrim implemented into future ME games?

[Fiery Phoenix]

argonian persona wrote...

What would you like to see from Skyrim implemented into future ME games?

I think Dragon Age could use from Skyrim than could Mass Effect. It's more in line with it than Mass Effect.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 31 décembre 2011 - 06:26 .

[mybudgee]

People who played GTA should be dragged into the street and shot. Back on topic, I have not gotten into Skyrim yet, as my buddy is gonna lend/give me his 360 copy when he is sick of it. But I have heard only good things, and I am excited. But many of the posts on this thread make a good point; ME and TES are very different, even though they are both RPG's. Sadly, true RPG's seem to be an endangered species in the gamer landscape.

[firefireblow]

a game that WON'T COMPLETELY destory my console. Yea ME wins.

RIP my PS3.

[Il Divo]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

What would you like to see from Skyrim implemented into future ME games?

I think Dragon Age could use from Skyrim than could Mass Effect. It's more in like with it than Mass Effect.

I could definitely see a parallel for why Skyrim would be a better template, but even better (imo) would be to draw inspiration from Dark Souls, given Bioware's attempts at wanting to combine quick, responsive controls with an in-depth RPG system. I love Skyrim's perk system, but DA2's issues seemed less about perk/talent customization, which would be what Skyrim could provide, and more with actual gameplay presentation, where Skyrim is a bit too different to have an impact.

Modifié par Il Divo, 31 décembre 2011 - 06:29 .

[AtreiyaN7]

*rolleyes* You know what ME3 looks like to me? A totally different game from Skyrim, which does not make it inferior because it lacks a sandbox envionment. The ME series has always been aRPG-oriented with a focus on story and combat. Skyrim was gorgeous graphically, but it's not as if it did anything groundbreakingly new in terms of gameplay. I mean, hello Obivion, Morrowind, FO3, etc.. Skyrim is a brilliant sandbox game, so I enjoy it for what it is. I don't expect every other game I play to be like it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Il Divo wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

What would you like to see from Skyrim implemented into future ME games?

I think Dragon Age could use from Skyrim than could Mass Effect. It's more in like with it than Mass Effect.

I could definitely see a parallel for why Skyrim would be a better template, but even better (imo) would be to draw inspiration from Dark Souls, given Bioware's attempts at wanting to combine quick, responsive controls with an in-depth RPG system. I love Skyrim's perk system, but DA2's issues seemed less about perk/talent customization, and more with actual gameplay presentation.

Yeah, it seems BioWare are already going the Skyrim route for DA3. They've said the world will be bigger than DAO's and DA2's and are "aggressively checking out [Skyrim]" for inspiration.

[Chuvvy]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

You don't ban someone for expressing an opinion.

The BSN has no ****ing clue what a troll is. Someone expresses an opinion and they assume he's trolling. What's really funny is that most of the time when someone is actually trolling they can't tell.

[Il Divo]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Yeah, it seems BioWare are already going the Skyrim route for DA3. They've said the world will be bigger than DAO's and DA2's and are "aggressively checking out [Skyrim]" for inspiration.

Which does kinda worry me, since the things I would want Bioware to take from Skyrim aren't really related to the world size. I think Bioware should be more concerned about providing a sense of scale, rather than trying. to just make the world bigger. DA:O did this perfectly, imo. You could even argue that DA:O's world was a tad bigger than it needed to be, given the complaints with the Deep Roads and Sacred Temple.

Modifié par Il Divo, 31 décembre 2011 - 06:35 .

[ArkkAngel007]

argonian persona wrote...

What would you like to see from Skyrim implemented into future ME games?

Was that your actual point in making this topic.  If so, why didn't you just say that?  May have still turned out the same way, but much less inflaming.

Yet, what could it be?  Ok, maybe a sword for my vanguard profile but c'mon, almost everything in Skyrim would not be applicable in a Mass Effect game.  Alchemy, smithing, lockpicking, shield, vampires, werewolves, dragons (ok, maybe one dragon would be ok), magic, shouts, etc....none of these features/things would work.  

There is one thing that isn't so much a feature, but a lack of one.  There is no behavior alignment in Skyrim from what I can tell, and to that I wish Mass Effect would not have.  I find the alignment system archaic and a bit of a crutch in plot movement, so seeing more games move away from it, the better in my opinion.

[AlexXIV]

Slidell505 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

You don't ban someone for expressing an opinion.

The BSN has no ****ing clue what a troll is. Someone expresses an opinion and they assume he's trolling. What's really funny is that most of the time when someone is actually trolling they can't tell.

Troll. Nah, just kiddin'.

And to say something OT: Is the Skyrim era not over yet? Then it will be over on March 6.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 31 décembre 2011 - 06:37 .

[firefireblow]

Ah, how far south threads go at 1 in the morning.

[Savber100]

argonian persona wrote...

What would you like to see from Skyrim implemented into future ME games?

For me, I think Skyrim's concepts should be used for Dragon Age III rather than the Mass Effect franchise. 

Why? 

Mainly because Mass Effect has found its identity in becoming a third-person action title with RPG elements (or vice versa as some people prefer to say). The bigger set scenes and the more action-heavy sets don't bother me as much because I know that Bioware has already set one vision throughout the board. They KNOW who they're aiming and as a result they excelled at it with the release of ME2. Complain about the direction of ME2 all you want but at least ME know the direction it's going. 

Dragon Age on the other hand is a unmitigated mess. Bioware has NO clue on where the franchise should be going after Origins. So what did we get? A cluttered, incohesive disaster that didn't know who to pander to. It tried to please everyone and failed to please anyone. Now it has lost the very uniqueness that made it special as it continues to try to find the best way to be the "best of both worlds" which isn't going to happen if they don't return to the basics and regain it's own original indentity and vision which was to be a spiritual successor to the classic RPGs of old. 

Modifié par Savber100, 31 décembre 2011 - 06:37 .

[didymos1120]

Slidell505 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

You don't ban someone for expressing an opinion.

The BSN has no ****ing clue what a troll is.

It's one of those things, like 'FPS' or 'retcon' or 'plot hole' or 'lowest common denominator', that people around here think is just a way to say "This is something I personally disliked."

Modifié par didymos1120, 31 décembre 2011 - 06:40 .

[Ricinator]

i for one don't think ME3 is an RPG anymore. sure you can mod weapons, but was there intention really to do that for the RPG crowd? less choice in everything dialogue, and a semi-rail story because sheperd has to do specific things to defeat the reapers.....

i guess they threw away the ME1 dream after they tasted the money from ME2. way to go Eaware

[didymos1120]

firefireblow wrote...

Ah, how far south threads go at 1 in the morning.

Not everyone is on Eastern time.