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[N7Raider]

Alex_SM wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Dude, skyrim will not sell over 20 million units, look at the sales data it does not have the legs to do so.
You contradicted yourself, you're saying Gears 3 nor Halo 3 could've innovated anything because the influence was already there well than how can skyrim influence anything when it changed nothing?  

No, I didn't contradicted myself. 

I'll show it with an example:

"Game A" uses "feature A" and sells gazillions of units. -> Everybody rips-off "feature A". 

"Game B" uses again "feature A" and sells gazillions of units. -> No one rips-off anything, because they already did it. 

Now, on the other hand.

"Game C" uses "feature C" and no one copies it. 

"Game D" uses again "feature C" and sells gazillions of units -> Everybody rips-off "feature C". 


See? That's what I'm saying. 

No you did because in this scenario skyrim is game B and it used feature A, it did nothing to revolutionize rpgs or open world games.  And you can keep lying to yourself and act like this is the first AAA game Bethesda has had but anyone with some sense can tell that this is not their first huge game, it may have gotten off to a bigger start but it is not their first huge game, this is not an ignored formula, this is not their first top selling game as you've put it.  

I never said this is their first big game or the first which sells well. I'm saying this is the first who enters in competition at the "Call of Duty level". And that's why it may be a game-changer, because the rest of the developers may start thinking about "appealing the Skyrim crowd", like they now try to appeal the "Call of Duty crowd". 

Yes you did you said this was there first big mega blockbuster and even at that this still does not compete with call of duty over 3 platforms skyrim still hasn't sold as much as MW3 on 360 alone.  I thnk you're getting sold and shipped confused, shipped does not mean sold.  Ya know what answer me this one question, what did skyrim change?  What is so revolutionary about it that there is now a skyrim crowd like you say.  

Modifié par N7Raider, 02 janvier 2012 - 03:29 .

[Alex_SM]

didymos1120 wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

I never said this is their first big game or the first which sells well. I'm saying this is the first who enters in competition at the "Call of Duty level". And that's why it may be a game-changer, because the rest of the developers may start thinking about "appealing the Skyrim crowd", like they now try to appeal the "Call of Dury crowd". 

It's got a looooong way to go before it gets there.  MW3?  Sold 6.5 million on launch day.  Skyrim?  Has sold about 3.5 million in over a month.  Not bad at all, but not even remotely in the same league.

Oh, you didn't read the previous posts LoL

Skyrim's numbers: 

Bethesda claims: 10 Millions physical units shipped (Dec 16)
Valve says: Best digital opening ever.
VGChartz says: Around 9 millions (but they don't measure digital copies). 

My bet: If we take everything into account, the game is somewhere around 11 millions.

[didymos1120]

Alex_SM wrote...

Oh, you didn't read the previous posts LoL

Yes, lol, I did.  I just don't much credit a bunch of unsubstantiated speculation when there's actual data to look at.

[N7Raider]

didymos1120 wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

Oh, you didn't read the previous posts LoL

Yes, lol, I did.  I just don't much credit a bunch of unsubstantiated speculation when there's actual data to look at.

THANK YOU!

[Alex_SM]

N7Raider wrote...

Yes you did you said this was there first big mega blockbuster and even at that this still does not compete with call of duty over 3 platforms skyrim still hasn't sold as much as MW3 on 360 alone.  Ya know what answer me this one question, what did skyrim change?  What is so revolutionary about it that there is now a skyrim crowd like you say.  

Because it's their first megablockbuster. This one already sold in 50 days more than Oblivion in 5 years or fallout 3 in 4. 

Modern Warfare 3 is going to be the best selling game  in this generation, I'm not questioning that. But Skyrim is going to be top3.

There's nothing revolutionary about Call of Duty, and there is a Call of Dury crowd. 

But, there are a lots of things that make Skyrim different from 99% of games: Gives freedom. It gives the player a f***ing country. That, in the time of game worlds being smaller than my room, it's something. 

And I'm done with this argument. I get it, you hate it, but try to think a bit leaving all that anger behind. 

[shepskisaac]

Alex_SM wrote...

I never said this is their first big game or the first which sells well. I'm saying this is the first who enters in competition at the "Call of Duty level".

Not entirely true, Battlefield 3 already sold 10 million so that's another game that is enetring COD/GTA mega-blockbuster level of sales. But of Skyrim BF3 is another shooter, while Skyrim is an RPG. I definitely agree Skyrim's success will be reflected in the industry.

[Bat32391]

I wasn't aware it was the post skyrim era, I thought it was 2012

[Alex_SM]

didymos1120 wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

Oh, you didn't read the previous posts LoL

Yes, lol, I did.  I just don't much credit a bunch of unsubstantiated speculation when there's actual data to look at.

Bethesda ships 10 millions: http://www.xxlgaming....asp?which=1623

Bethesda ships 10 millions: http://oneclick.indi...e/09lU3Vueps3Bo

Bethesda ships 10 millions + Steam record: http://lifeongames.c...in-the-process/

Bethesda ships 10 millions: http://www.destructo...im-218011.phtml

Bethesda ships 10 millions (in french): http://www.google.es...3V9jqJ1PPuu3PbA

Bethesda ships 10 millions (Spanish): http://www.eurogamer...lones-de-skyrim

Skyrim fastest selling on Steam: http://ironhammers.org/?p=8896

Skyrim sells 9 Millions of physical copies according to VGChartz: http://www.vgchartz....s=50&sort=Total

And there are thousands more. It just need a 10 seconds search. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 02 janvier 2012 - 03:39 .

[Alex_SM]

IsaacShep wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

I never said this is their first big game or the first which sells well. I'm saying this is the first who enters in competition at the "Call of Duty level".

Not entirely true, Battlefield 3 already sold 10 million so that's another game that is enetring COD/GTA mega-blockbuster level of sales. But of Skyrim BF3 is another shooter, while Skyrim is an RPG. I definitely agree Skyrim's success will be reflected in the industry.

The first "bethesda game" ^^

[N7Raider]

Alex_SM wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Yes you did you said this was there first big mega blockbuster and even at that this still does not compete with call of duty over 3 platforms skyrim still hasn't sold as much as MW3 on 360 alone.  Ya know what answer me this one question, what did skyrim change?  What is so revolutionary about it that there is now a skyrim crowd like you say.  

Because it's their first megablockbuster. This one already sold in 50 days more than Oblivion in 5 years or fallout 3 in 4. 

Modern Warfare 3 is going to be the best selling game  in this generation, I'm not questioning that. But Skyrim is going to be top3.

There's nothing revolutionary about Call of Duty, and there is a Call of Dury crowd. 

But, there are a lots of things that make Skyrim different from 99% of games: Gives freedom. It gives the player a f***ing country. That, in the time of game worlds being smaller than my room, it's something. 

And I'm done with this argument. I get it, you hate it, but try to think a bit leaving all that anger behind. 

I genuinely have no idea how to make this any clearer, skyrim WILL NOT be in the top 3 games sold ths generation.  CoD, Halo, GTA, GoW will make up that list skyrim will NOT  be on it, this is an asinine argument on your part where are getting this data that supposedly points to skyrim selling 20 million units?  It is not theire first major blockbuster, it's sold more than Oblivion and Fallout but those were not indie games are you even reading my posts?  It doesn't matter that it outsold oblivion in it's first 50 days pretty much everyone who's gonna get this game already has it, it does not have the legs to get to the sales numbers you are suggesting it will get too.  Freedom is a total bull**** argument tons of games give you freedom even you admit the only thing it does differently is give you a bigger map.  How funny that it's now at the point where you're grasping at straws to try to come up with an argument you're done, the only thing I'm getting mad at here is your stupidity and your unbelievable thick headedness providing statistics you have no data to back up.  First you say sales=impact, than buzz=impact, now you're saying no one's ever played Fallout or Oblivion and the fact that just because skyrim has more hype than those 2 games it's going to revolutionize gaming as we know it?  This is absurd, you can't even give one feature of this game that is truly revolutionary other than the over sized map but that was in Oblivion and Fallout but than you refuse to acknowledge that those games actually sold and were not ignored like you claim they were.  Here's a word of advice for you SHIPPED does not mean SOLD, you're making yourself look dumber than the OP.  

Modifié par N7Raider, 02 janvier 2012 - 03:50 .

[Mclouvins]

Alex_SM wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

Oh, you didn't read the previous posts LoL

Yes, lol, I did.  I just don't much credit a bunch of unsubstantiated speculation when there's actual data to look at.

Bethesda ships 10 millions: http://www.xxlgaming....asp?which=1623

Bethesda ships 10 millions: http://oneclick.indi...e/09lU3Vueps3Bo

Bethesda ships 10 millions + Steam record: http://lifeongames.c...in-the-process/

Bethesda ships 10 millions: http://www.destructo...im-218011.phtml

Bethesda ships 10 millions (in french): http://www.google.es...3V9jqJ1PPuu3PbA

Bethesda ships 10 millions (Spanish): http://www.eurogamer...lones-de-skyrim

Skyrim fastest selling on Steam: http://ironhammers.org/?p=8896

Skyrim sells 9 Millions of physical copies according to VGChartz: http://www.vgchartz....s=50&sort=Total

And there are thousands more. It just need a 10 seconds search. 

Ships 10 million does not equal sold 10 million, especially for Bethesda who has a history of pretty drastically over-shipping units compared to other publishers. N7RAIDER understands the nuance, solidarity high-five.

Modifié par Mclouvins, 02 janvier 2012 - 03:48 .

[argonian persona]

Bluko wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

Just take a look around. Everyone is excited about Skyrim, everyone loves it, everyone talks about it. It's the game of 2011 and will probably end 2012 over 15-17 millions units sold.

There wasn't so much fuzz about Oblivion or Fallout. 

Just look at steam stats, there's a lot more people playing it everyday than Modern Warfare 3 (PC). The peak of Skyrim doubles MW3 peak.  

Wow. I didn't know it was dominating MW3 on PC that badly. Steam (Valve) seems to confirm how well its selling.

It's odd seeing counter-reaction from fans in denial over objective statistics. Mathematics. For so long lots of people who disliked CoD had frustration over its influence on the gaming industry, due to CoD sales statistics. It might be the flip side of the coin, soon.

I think it is a game changer, obviously. But how far will it go? The market for TES continues to expand massively with each incremental release. Where is the endgame? How much more of a market will be obtained? Will Bethesda rpgs soon overtake total CoD sales? I believe, and you might agree, that based on statistical projection you can infer its at least a possibility.

BioWare has been adamant in wanting the CoD market for ME3, but are they neglecting the TES/Fallout market? If ME3 is indeed very linear, and we will find out if it is or not when the game is released, will it have a detrimental impact on those exhausted of restricted gameplay, and thus impact reception and sales?

Well people are getting sick of CoD. Sort of like what happened with Guitar Hero. I don't think too many are excited for MW4. CoD is fun, but it's getting to be too much of the same. You can only do the same thing so many times before it gets boring and driving yourself insane. A lot of folks grumble about changes made in the Elder Scrolls, but generally speaking they help keep the games fresh. Skyrim's dual-wielding aspect for example does much to enhance the gameplay and set it apart from other games.

I'm done with CoD myself. Black Ops is it for me as I still can't get over the fact how MW3 looks virtually indentical to MW2. I played a bit with my Step Brother and I do not regret not jumping on the bandwagon.

I'm happy Skyrim is doing well, because it is a very good game and what I'd consider ideal for an Action RPG. My only problems with it are the bugs and the fact that it has severe issues on the PS3 it seems. Hopefully Bethesda will take these issues to heart, otherwise their complaceny fixing "bugs" could start to hold them back I'm very optimistic to see what Bethesda will give us the next console generation though. I'm not sure what to think of Bioware anymore. Dragon Age: Origins did not impress me at all. And ME2 "dumbed down" some things a bit too much for my liking. For everything ME2 did better then ME1, taking a step forward, it also seemed to do something worse, taking a step back. I simply cannot consider ME2 "better" then ME1. To me both games are equally good, but for different reasons.

I really do hope ME3 is the best yet, but I fear it relies too much on ME2. Which will only make it a fixed version of ME2 at best. Although I've basically surrendered to this idea now and have my expectations for the game set pretty low.

A lot of good points. I think, too, adding to what you mentioned, that development time and the time away from games plays a big impact. It's not good to mess with a formula that works, but with a CoD coming out every year, I think that's what is exhausting. Same thing beginning to happen with Assassin's Creed. The Elder Scrolls IV was in early 2006...dlc and The Shivering Isles expansion was in there (btw...that expansion was over 130 hours of gameplay. An expansion!!! Great value) but from April 2006 to November 2011 is a long time to be without a game in a series. The entire Mass Effect trilogy occurred almost within that time span, and Oblivion was out a year before Mass Effect.

I agree with you that it could have and should have been so much more. Your vision you wish it was....that's what I thought as well. How many share our perspective and gave up?

[Alex_SM]

Mclouvins wrote...

Ships 10 million does not equal sold 10 million, especially for Bethesda who has a history of pretty drastically over-shipping units compared to other publishers.

There's no way to know actual units sold until some years had passed. All the data about all games released this year is abou units shipped. The same goes for the 11 millions of units of MW3 in Xbox and the 10 millions of BF3, etc... 

[didymos1120]

jreezy wrote...

Considering shipped =/= sold I'm wondering why you posted excessive amounts of sources.

Argumentum ad nauseum.  Makes it look "factier".

[N7Raider]

Alex_SM wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

Ships 10 million does not equal sold 10 million, especially for Bethesda who has a history of pretty drastically over-shipping units compared to other publishers.

There's no way to know actual units sold until some years had passed. All the data about all games released this year is abou units shipped. The same goes for the 11 millions of units of MW3 in Xbox and the 10 millions of BF3, etc... 

damn it, you and the OP are just 2 great big contradicting fools aren't you?

I FVCKING HATE SKYRIM!!!!  I HATE IT!!!!  There I'm done with this.  

Modifié par N7Raider, 02 janvier 2012 - 03:53 .

[didymos1120]

Alex_SM wrote...

There's no way to know actual units sold until some years had passed. All the data about all games released this year is abou units shipped. The same goes for the 11 millions of units of MW3 in Xbox and the 10 millions of BF3, etc... 

No, there's actual sales data out there.  Easily found on Google.  You know: that thing you told me to use.

[Alex_SM]

didymos1120 wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

There's no way to know actual units sold until some years had passed. All the data about all games released this year is abou units shipped. The same goes for the 11 millions of units of MW3 in Xbox and the 10 millions of BF3, etc... 

No, there's actual sales data out there.  Easily found on Google.  You know: that thing you told me to use.

Yeah, and the 3,5 millions you talked about where from the second day after the release. 

[argonian persona]

N7Raider wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Yes you did you said this was there first big mega blockbuster and even at that this still does not compete with call of duty over 3 platforms skyrim still hasn't sold as much as MW3 on 360 alone.  Ya know what answer me this one question, what did skyrim change?  What is so revolutionary about it that there is now a skyrim crowd like you say.  

Because it's their first megablockbuster. This one already sold in 50 days more than Oblivion in 5 years or fallout 3 in 4. 

Modern Warfare 3 is going to be the best selling game  in this generation, I'm not questioning that. But Skyrim is going to be top3.

There's nothing revolutionary about Call of Duty, and there is a Call of Dury crowd. 

But, there are a lots of things that make Skyrim different from 99% of games: Gives freedom. It gives the player a f***ing country. That, in the time of game worlds being smaller than my room, it's something. 

And I'm done with this argument. I get it, you hate it, but try to think a bit leaving all that anger behind. 

I genuinely have no idea how to make this any clearer, skyrim WILL NOT be in the top 3 games sold ths generation.  CoD, Halo, GTA, GoW will make up that list skyrim will NOT  be on it, this is an asinine argument on your part where are getting this data that supposedly points to skyrim selling 20 million units?  It is not theire first major blockbuster, it's sold more than Oblivion and Fallout but those were not indie games are you even reading my posts?  It doesn't matter that it outsold oblivion in it's first 50 days pretty much everyone who's gonna get this game already has it, it does not have the legs to get to the sales numbers you are suggesting it will get too.  Freedom is a total bull**** argument tons of games give you freedom even you admit the only thing it does differently is give you a bigger map.  How funny that it's now at the point where you're grasping at straws to try to come up with an argument you're done, the only thing I'm getting mad at here is your stupidity and your unbelievable thick headedness providing statistics you have no data to back up.  First you say sales=impact, than buzz=impact, now you're saying no one's ever played Fallout or Oblivion and the fact that just because skyrim has more hype than those 2 games it's going to revolutionize gaming as we know it?  This is absurd, you can't even give one feature of this game that is truly revolutionary other than the over sized map but that was in Oblivion and Fallout but than you refuse to acknowledge that those games actually sold and were not ignored like you claim they were.  Here's a word of advice for you SHIPPED does not mean SOLD, you're making yourself look dumber than the OP.  

^^

"I hate Skyrim...I don't care what objective statistics and empirical evidence says, it will LOSE because it SUCKS."

[shepskisaac]

Alex_SM wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

Ships 10 million does not equal sold 10 million, especially for Bethesda who has a history of pretty drastically over-shipping units compared to other publishers.

There's no way to know actual units sold until some years had passed. All the data about all games released this year is abou units shipped. The same goes for the 11 millions of units of MW3 in Xbox and the 10 millions of BF3, etc... 

No. A few weeks ago EA said themselves that they've shipped 12 million units of BF3 and sold 8 million.

[timj2011]

HEY EVERYBODY, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MASS EFFECT? loljk no but srsly this thread is a joke, skyrim v COD are u cereal....

[N7Raider]

argonian persona wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Yes you did you said this was there first big mega blockbuster and even at that this still does not compete with call of duty over 3 platforms skyrim still hasn't sold as much as MW3 on 360 alone.  Ya know what answer me this one question, what did skyrim change?  What is so revolutionary about it that there is now a skyrim crowd like you say.  

Because it's their first megablockbuster. This one already sold in 50 days more than Oblivion in 5 years or fallout 3 in 4. 

Modern Warfare 3 is going to be the best selling game  in this generation, I'm not questioning that. But Skyrim is going to be top3.

There's nothing revolutionary about Call of Duty, and there is a Call of Dury crowd. 

But, there are a lots of things that make Skyrim different from 99% of games: Gives freedom. It gives the player a f***ing country. That, in the time of game worlds being smaller than my room, it's something. 

And I'm done with this argument. I get it, you hate it, but try to think a bit leaving all that anger behind. 

I genuinely have no idea how to make this any clearer, skyrim WILL NOT be in the top 3 games sold ths generation.  CoD, Halo, GTA, GoW will make up that list skyrim will NOT  be on it, this is an asinine argument on your part where are getting this data that supposedly points to skyrim selling 20 million units?  It is not theire first major blockbuster, it's sold more than Oblivion and Fallout but those were not indie games are you even reading my posts?  It doesn't matter that it outsold oblivion in it's first 50 days pretty much everyone who's gonna get this game already has it, it does not have the legs to get to the sales numbers you are suggesting it will get too.  Freedom is a total bull**** argument tons of games give you freedom even you admit the only thing it does differently is give you a bigger map.  How funny that it's now at the point where you're grasping at straws to try to come up with an argument you're done, the only thing I'm getting mad at here is your stupidity and your unbelievable thick headedness providing statistics you have no data to back up.  First you say sales=impact, than buzz=impact, now you're saying no one's ever played Fallout or Oblivion and the fact that just because skyrim has more hype than those 2 games it's going to revolutionize gaming as we know it?  This is absurd, you can't even give one feature of this game that is truly revolutionary other than the over sized map but that was in Oblivion and Fallout but than you refuse to acknowledge that those games actually sold and were not ignored like you claim they were.  Here's a word of advice for you SHIPPED does not mean SOLD, you're making yourself look dumber than the OP.  

^^

"I hate Skyrim...I don't care what objective statistics and empirical evidence says, it will LOSE because it SUCKS."

Has he provided statistical evidence to support the claim that it will sell 20 million units?  NO.  Does he continue to claim that skyrim is evidently the first bethesda game to actually be a big blockbuster when I have provided data that backs the claim that Oblivion and Fallout have both sold blockbuster numbers?  YES.  Has he changed his argument every time I offered a rebuttal and then refused to see the facts?  Again YES.  Are you an objective fanboy who worships the very word skyrim who has also ignored every argument I have ever presented to you.  YES.  But now, NOW you reply to my post prove your blind fan boyism right when I say I'm done, I don't give a sh!t you're totally blind to any criticism skyrim recieves and you insist on living under the delusion that people accept the fact that we are in a post skyrim era, as I have told you previously YOU ARE A JOKE!