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[TheMakoMaster]

jreezy wrote...

What's the question mark for?

im just lolz-ing at the "post skyrim era" word choice in the title.  despite the nuances, skyrim is the same as oblivion...is the same as morrowind....etc.  i see no era.

also, i just ninjaed myself in between a double post 

Modifié par TheMakoMaster, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:18 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Nvm I will edit this into a post sequel!

Where does everyone get that DAIII will be directly influenced by Skyrim?  All I remember was a BioWare employee stating that they, with all games, look at what others have done and, if applicable, how they can incorporate that in their game.  The "media" decided to jump on it and declare that Skyrim will be changing DAIII.  Seriously, separate sensationalist titles and opinions from actual facts.

"I definitely admire the scope of what Bethesda's built. It's a beautiful looking world you can lost in," says Muzyka. "And the lore is very rich so you feel like you're moving through a world with history and that your actions have consequences. That's been a big thing for us in our games, too."

"We think that Dragon Age II[/i] succeeded in a lot of ways but we've thought a lot about how to recapture some of things that Dragon Age Origins[/i] did well, too." 


Source: kotaku.com/5869773/skyrims-success-hasnt-changed-plans-for-the-next-dragon-age

Even that article is sensationalized, as you can't know if Skyrim will affect DAIII development or not.  The point is though, from here and other media sites, nowhere has there been word Skyrim will affect DAIII, or anyother non-Bethesda game.  

A lot of ME is the combat, especially with the class specific powers added in ME2.  In fact, combat and character/plot interaction are fairly split, with the rest just auxillary in all the games.  Yet, ME3 is fleshing out the leveling system beyond what either game had done, weapon mods return...ME3 is refining what makes ME work.  Just like Skyrim with TES.  No need for extra fluff that in the end don't really add anything to the game.

As for landscape design, heck, I'd love updated UE work put into Mass Effect, but that would mean at least two more years down the line if we want the newest, shiny stuff.  But again, it's just fluff.  Same with the exploration, which was great for only the first planet and for only a few minutes before Mako rage and boredom set in.

No, I'd rather BioWare refine the plot, characters, writing, combat, and the rest that makes Mass Effect the franchise it is before trying to impress me with parlor tricks.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:35 .

[argonian persona]

Let's see what ME3 sales look like when they're out. I wonder if they'll even approach half of Skyrims'. It'll be interesting.

Lol I liked that pic of the eras.

[Epic777]

argonian persona wrote...

Let's see what ME3 sales look like when they're out. I wonder if they'll even approach half of Skyrims'. It'll be interesting.

Lol I liked that pic of the eras.

Will skyrim even sell 1/2 of the total sales of pokemon red/blue?

[argonian persona]

Epic777 wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

Let's see what ME3 sales look like when they're out. I wonder if they'll even approach half of Skyrims'. It'll be interesting.

Lol I liked that pic of the eras.

Will skyrim even sell 1/2 of the total sales of pokemon red/blue?

What is that? Games moms get their 7 year olds?

[didymos1120]

Oh, ignorant you!

[Gatt9]

argonian persona wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Epic777 wrote...
I don't think will influence gaming like GTA III did (prime example).

Take notes OP, if a game did deserve an "era" dedicated to it, this is it.

I'll reserve for now. The era has just begun.

Skyrim is already influencing DA3's development. Just go to the DA2 forums and see the topics about it. The Drs. of BioWare were questioned about Skyrim and what they are going to do with DA3 now because of Skyrim. There's articles in the threads, too, for an interesting read.

In short, looks like DA3 is going to be much, much more open-world.

You continue to betray that you are very young.

1.  This is the fifth time Bethesda's released the same game with fewer features. 

2.  Bioware did what you keep calling "Open World" with Baldur's Gate,  and abandoned it for good reason.

Bethesda is just not all that important,  and never has been.  They're a one-trick pony,  reusing a 15 year old design over and over.  Ironically,  they are the epitome of failure to evolve.

Even after Grand Theft Auto,  Red Dead Redemption,  and Saint's Row showed them what open world should be,  they still keep reusing the same design.  Even after Everquest,  Asheron's Call,  and World of Warcraft showed them how they could create a world with reasons to keep playing,  they still keep reusing the same design.*

Nor did they "Influence" DA3,  Bioware's aware of the fact that Dragon Age is a tainted property now,  especially after the interviews following it's release.  They're just looking for *anything* that might save it,  because they already know it's going to be a really hard sell.  Especially since some of their employees made the mistake of blaming the fanbase instead of owning up to the game's problems,  and it *really* didn't help that one of their writers professed a dislike of video games. 

Bethesda didn't start an "Era".  Bethesda can't even learn from other people's experiments in Open-World design.  No one is going to try and copy their 15 year old design.  They'll go look at all the other titles that did it far,  far,  better.  Seriously,  what does Bethesda have that others haven't done much better?  Bugs? 

*Asheron's Call is a prime example of things to implement in Open Worlds.  Randomized loot that can be recycled to boost weapons you use if you're not going to use what you found,  spells learned from scrolls dropped randomly,  keys as rare drops for killing critters that open uber-chests,  quests that span many levels.  Gambling games that yield trinkets for houses,  and pulls on uber-chests.  WoW does some thing similiar,  Everquest has rare drop items.

 

You're totally right.
7 of 20 = 35%

For the 360:
99 shooters+dlc vs 215 Platformer, Realtime Strategy, Flight, Puzzle, Role-Playing, Party, Racing and Fighting games+dlc. = 31.5%

Still cherry picking the answers you want I see.  Note how you pick only one platform,  throw Live Arcade and throwing DLC in there as well, to decrease the percentages.  Shooters are oversaturated,  not really sure why you're trying to argue they aren't.

I'd go dig up actual numbers,  but really,  that's more time than I care to waste on an internet arguement with someone that's obviously just going to try to skew numbers any way possible.

[ArkkAngel007]

argonian persona wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

Let's see what ME3 sales look like when they're out. I wonder if they'll even approach half of Skyrims'. It'll be interesting.

Lol I liked that pic of the eras.

Will skyrim even sell 1/2 of the total sales of pokemon red/blue?

What is that? Games moms get their 7 year olds?

So you are going to completely ignore the most refined, successful, and beloved RPG in this industry, just because it's a household name and children enjoy it?  Just so that your sales figures declaring Skyrim's victory in the RPG market are revolutionary?  Pokemon is beyond a game; it's a culture.  Games (video games and card games), various merchandise, brand stores, airliners...

Oh, and guess what?  It's an RPG with multiplayer, and it is still a fully functional and rocking game.

Even better, it's timeless.  Sure, there will be Marios, CoDs, Halos, and plenty of other franchises that will span multiple generations.  I highly doubt, however, that any of those will connect those generations as much as Pokemon does.  Whatever Skyrim, or TES as a whole, doesn't even exist in comparison in what Pokemon has accomplished for this industry.

And no, Mass Effect will never come close to that.  It won't be as big as that, or Star Wars, or Star Treck...but you know what?  That's ok...heck, it's great.  This trilogy is special.  It's what we here love, and sometimes love to hate, and it works for us. 

So next time you get into some debate, especially coming into a community forum such as this, take a step back and make sure you realize where your stance lies in the greater scheme of things, and where those things all stand.  

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 02 janvier 2012 - 07:15 .

[argonian persona]

I found this quote interesting from Dr. Ray Muzyka:

"(The next Dragon Age) is gonna have the best of features from prior Dragon Age games, but it's also gonna have a lot of things I think players are going to find compelling from some of the games that are out now that are doing really well with more of an open world feel. We're checking (Skyrim) out aggressively. We like it. We're big admirers of (Bethesda) and the product. We think we can do some wonderful things."

http://m.wired.com/g...2/dragon-age-3/


This is an interesting quote, although it seemingly isn't good for DA fans who dislike Bethesda and open world games. I'm not a DA fan per se, although I loved Origins, but this new direction has piqued my interest and if enough of what I enjoy in TES is present in DA3 then I'll likely be a buyer even though I avoided DAII.

What happened? EA saw Skyrim $$$. And Skyrim is an rpg?! EA wants. Badly. This is new. This hasn't occurred before. But why is it occurring?

We will see as we go, but hopefully this new phenomena eventually helps reverse the trend of ME towards Gears. When Tue self-proclaimed push for the CoD crowd doesn't go se well as BioWare plans, their focus will shift. And at the very least, as it seems they are doing now anyways, they'll probably try to bring the 'best of all worlds' together, and if they are taking pointers from Skyrim for DA3, it is probable it we will see an impact on future ME games.

ME3 was pretty much done with development by the time EA saw Skyrim $ales numbers. But from here on out, look for there to be a steady influence, as popular and high selling shooters and action games have up until now (Call of Duty, Gears of War, God of War).

Add to that lost of monetary influences The Elder Scrolls.

It's a brand new era in a sense due to the fact Skyrim is an...........RPG.

[Gatt9]

jreezy wrote...

emanziboy wrote...
Wii Sports: 79.7 million

Ridiculously impressive.

Gets even more interesting when you discover Angry Birds has been downloaded over 400 million times.  So if Skyrim's an Era,  Angry Birds is an Epoch.

Modifié par Gatt9, 02 janvier 2012 - 07:15 .

[Gatt9]

argonian persona wrote...

What happened? EA saw Skyrim $$$. And Skyrim is an rpg?! EA wants. Badly. This is new. This hasn't occurred before. But why is it occurring?

We will see as we go, but hopefully this new phenomena eventually helps reverse the trend of ME towards Gears. When Tue self-proclaimed push for the CoD crowd doesn't go se well as BioWare plans, their focus will shift. And at the very least, as it seems they are doing now anyways, they'll probably try to bring the 'best of all worlds' together, and if they are taking pointers from Skyrim for DA3, it is probable it we will see an impact on future ME games.

ME3 was pretty much done with development by the time EA saw Skyrim $ales numbers. But from here on out, look for there to be a steady influence, as popular and high selling shooters and action games have up until now (Call of Duty, Gears of War, God of War).

Add to that lost of monetary influences The Elder Scrolls.

It's a brand new era in a sense due to the fact Skyrim is an...........RPG.

EA doesn't care about Skyrim.  They'd make more in a day releasing a new Ultima than Bethesda has made through it's whole lifetime.

You also might want to be real careful when claiming Skyrim is an RPG,  in most RPG forums you'll get shredded in minutes.  Oblivion,  and Skyrim,  are widely considered to be Adventure games by RPGers.  Even ME2 and Diablo are going to get more credit for being an RPG than Oblivion or Skyrim.

One poster on the Fallout 3 board said it best...

"Bethesda doesn't make RPGs.  Bethseda makes games with an RPG sticker on the package for people who hate RPG's but want to tell their friends they play them."

[AlexXIV]

argonian persona wrote...

It's a brand new era in a sense due to the fact Skyrim is an...........RPG.

Ah yes, "RPGs" ...

[Inspectre]

Gatt9 wrote...

Shooters are oversaturated,  not really sure why you're trying to argue they aren't.

Because they aren't.

I'd go dig up 'actual' numbers, but really, that's more time than I care
to waste on an internet arguement with anyone.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 02 janvier 2012 - 07:23 .

[ArkkAngel007]

argonian persona wrote...

I found this quote interesting from Dr. Ray Muzyka:

"(The next Dragon Age) is gonna have the best of features from prior Dragon Age games, but it's also gonna have a lot of things I think players are going to find compelling from some of the games that are out now that are doing really well with more of an open world feel. We're checking (Skyrim) out aggressively. We like it. We're big admirers of (Bethesda) and the product. We think we can do some wonderful things."

http://m.wired.com/g...2/dragon-age-3/


This is an interesting quote, although it seemingly isn't good for DA fans who dislike Bethesda and open world games. I'm not a DA fan per se, although I loved Origins, but this new direction has piqued my interest and if enough of what I enjoy in TES is present in DA3 then I'll likely be a buyer even though I avoided DAII.

Snip

Ok, you got me on that quote, as long as it is an accurate quote. But that doesn't mean it will change anything.  And it has nothing to do with the money...it's that what Bethesda's titles do is impressive, despite the bugs.  

And again, Skyrim isn't the best selling RPG nor is it revolutionary or anything.  Sorry to say, but it's leading me to assume you are too young to remember anything beyond the past two game generations.  That or you just are really stubborn and don't know when to concede when points in your argument fail.  The last option is that you are trolling, but I'd rather think better of you than that.

[argonian persona]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

Let's see what ME3 sales look like when they're out. I wonder if they'll even approach half of Skyrims'. It'll be interesting.

Lol I liked that pic of the eras.

Will skyrim even sell 1/2 of the total sales of pokemon red/blue?

What is that? Games moms get their 7 year olds?

So you are going to completely ignore the most refined, successful, and beloved RPG in this industry, just because it's a household name and children enjoy it?  Just so that your sales figures declaring Skyrim's victory in the RPG market are revolutionary?  Pokemon is beyond a game; it's a culture.  Games (video games and card games), various merchandise, brand stores, airliners...

Oh, and guess what?  It's an RPG with multiplayer, and it is still a fully functional and rocking game.

Even better, it's timeless.  Sure, there will be Marios, CoDs, Halos, and plenty of other franchises that will span multiple generations.  I highly doubt, however, that any of those will connect those generations as much as Pokemon does. 

And no, Mass Effect will never come close to that.  It won't be as big as that, or Star Wars, or Star Treck...but you know what?  That's ok...heck, it's great.  This trilogy is special.  It's what we here love, and sometimes love to hate, and it works for us. 

So next time you get into some debate, especially coming into a community forum such as this, take a step back and make sure you realize where your stance lies in the greater scheme of things, and where those things all stand.  

Timelessness, or longevity? Where are the Pokemon games at nowadays? TES has been around since 1994...I've played them all. So I'm not sure what you're getting at. Pokemon was a fad, just like gigapets, just like pogs. It's burnt and gone. Starting with TES: Arena up until now, spanning 18 years, each successive title has gotten progressively more popular. By golly, what behemoth will TES VI be?

Btw....no dlc or expansions have hit yet. Since CoD gets to add in maps and such, I'm counting dlc and expansion revenues to total sales of Skyrim. A massive expansion is coming.

EA and others won't be able to re$I$t looking at TES.

I give Mass Effect more credit than you. It won't be as big as Star Wars (probably), but i think it is better, even though I like Star Wars and Star Trek.

[argonian persona]

Gatt9 wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

What happened? EA saw Skyrim $$$. And Skyrim is an rpg?! EA wants. Badly. This is new. This hasn't occurred before. But why is it occurring?

We will see as we go, but hopefully this new phenomena eventually helps reverse the trend of ME towards Gears. When Tue self-proclaimed push for the CoD crowd doesn't go se well as BioWare plans, their focus will shift. And at the very least, as it seems they are doing now anyways, they'll probably try to bring the 'best of all worlds' together, and if they are taking pointers from Skyrim for DA3, it is probable it we will see an impact on future ME games.

ME3 was pretty much done with development by the time EA saw Skyrim $ales numbers. But from here on out, look for there to be a steady influence, as popular and high selling shooters and action games have up until now (Call of Duty, Gears of War, God of War).

Add to that lost of monetary influences The Elder Scrolls.

It's a brand new era in a sense due to the fact Skyrim is an...........RPG.

EA doesn't care about Skyrim.  They'd make more in a day releasing a new Ultima than Bethesda has made through it's whole lifetime.

You also might want to be real careful when claiming Skyrim is an RPG,  in most RPG forums you'll get shredded in minutes.  Oblivion,  and Skyrim,  are widely considered to be Adventure games by RPGers.  Even ME2 and Diablo are going to get more credit for being an RPG than Oblivion or Skyrim.

One poster on the Fallout 3 board said it best...

"Bethesda doesn't make RPGs.  Bethseda makes games with an RPG sticker on the package for people who hate RPG's but want to tell their friends they play them."

TES has more in common with paper ad pencil rpgs than almost any game I know. You create your own adventure instead of being hand-held through a plot and movie cutscenes.

Individuals, like you, are going to be bitter.

[SpiderFan1217]

"Post-Skyrim Era!!" I lol'd again.Third day in a row. Keep going guys I need the laughs.

[ArkkAngel007]

Dragon XIX wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Shooters are oversaturated,  not really sure why you're trying to argue they aren't.

Because they aren't.

I'd go dig up 'actual' numbers, but really, that's more time than I care
to waste on an internet arguement with anyone.

You don't have to dig up actual numbers, and Gatt9 has a point in that shooters are oversaturated in the number that are released to cash in on Halo and CoD throughout the years.  The quality, however, is lacking.  Oversaturation doesn't necessarily mean the percentage released in comparison to other genres.  It just means that there are more released than necessary.  Action games like Batman and Uncharted, for example, are not oversaturated as most of those games are of a rather higher quality above the average and don't consistantly flood the market.

[argonian persona]

Lol. So why, may I ask, isn't EA releasing a new Ultima?

I hope they do, I love Ultima.

[ediskrad327]

"ju" was more constructive...may it rest in peace

[Shub-Niggurath64]

ediskrad327 wrote...

"ju" was more constructive...may it rest in peace

That was a great thread. I miss it.

[ArkkAngel007]

argonian persona wrote...


Timelessness, or longevity? Where are the Pokemon games at nowadays? TES has been around since 1994...I've played them all. So I'm not sure what you're getting at. Pokemon was a fad, just like gigapets, just like pogs. It's burnt and gone. Starting with TES: Arena up until now, spanning 18 years, each successive title has gotten progressively more popular. By golly, what behemoth will TES VI be?

Btw....no dlc or expansions have hit yet. Since CoD gets to add in maps and such, I'm counting dlc and expansion revenues to total sales of Skyrim. A massive expansion is coming.

EA and others won't be able to re$I$t looking at TES.

I give Mass Effect more credit than you. It won't be as big as Star Wars (probably), but i think it is better, even though I like Star Wars and Star Trek.

I'm just saying Mass Effect, even if the film(s) goes through without a hitch and is brought to theaters, won't be a cultural phenomenon.

And no, Pokemon is still alive and well.  It doesn't flood the malls with card booths or is quite as prominent as it used to be, but that comes with anything that has been around for years, such as LoTR (books and films) and Star Wars.  That doesn't mean it isn't popular.  Kids still love it, and plenty of those I know in the service find it a life saver on their slow days when off duty, since owning a handheld is cheaper and more accessible than a console.  It takes more to be a good game to connect generations together.

However, the growth of TES is only growing with the growth of gaming itself.  More potential consumers, marketing, systems developed on...these all lead to more sales.  Oblivion was a surprise to most console gamers...it was like the doors opened up and said hey, this is what you are missing on PC." (Morrowind wasn't really up to snuff on Xbox to generate enough interest from what I remember)  The sales really aren't that significant when you factor in its availability and marketing.

[argonian persona]

I hate to say it, but plain and simple, you folks are the minority. I respect your individual perspectives, I honestly do (trust me, I'm not that mean of a guy). But the gaming media and the market Bethesda has speaks for itself.

In Skyrim, my name is Gammameggon. I was separated at birth from my parents, taken away from my homeland of Black Marsh and sent se a slave to serve the Dunmer in Morrowind. After my people took control of Morrowind, I left for a new life, eager to explore the world. My travels and my interest led me to Skyrim. My blood led me to Skyrim. My...soul...led me to Skyrim. I never knew my purpose, but there I felt it calling my name. After being captured and almost executed while crossing over the border, I escaped and wandered into the unknown land called Skyrim. Home of the Nords, a land steeped in tradition, valuing hard work, grit and toughness. New to the land, I was determined to seek out the underground cult known as the Dark Brotherhood so I could learn the darkest secrets of Skyrim's infrastructure and underbelly.....


I could go on with my story....with the role I'm playing, but I'll stop there.

I don't always need my hand held. I have a good imagination. Just like I did back in the paper and pencil days.

Modifié par argonian persona, 02 janvier 2012 - 07:58 .