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[Ahglock]

Gatt9 wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Is Skyrim that much more successful than Oblivion?

They have already shipped 10 million copies.  I think oblivion sold in the 5 million range.  

I posted links a dozen pages back give or take,  but I'll summarize it here again.

You've gotta be *really* careful with any numbers Bethesda hands out.  They made a big announcement about 4.6 million units with Fallout 3,  but when you did the math on the NPD numbers,  being very generous with the unknowns*,  you end up around 1.8 million units sold.

From everything I've seen,  Bethesda overships by a very large margin,  and makes announcements about it.  Looks like they try to trick people into thinking they're missing something to get extra sales.

When I went christmas shopping,  my Best Buy had between 40-50 copies of Skyrim on each platform.  Which reminded me very heavily of how Circuit City was loaded down with Fallout 3 copies,  that they couldn't give away at 50% off,  not too long after release.

Plus,  let's be serious here.  Morrowind sold 4 million,  Oblivion sold around 4 million,  Skyrim's suddenly going to double that?  It's the same game,  I don't see how they're suddenly going to sell twice as many units of the same game.

Awfully convienent for Bethesda though,  that we don't get NPD numbers anymore to see what the actual sales are.

Edit:

Almost forgot my explaination...

*The PS3/PC version of Fallout 3 never hit the charts,  so you do the math by assuming it sold 1 unit less than the lowest reported game.  I.e.,  if Game #10 sold 100,000 units,  you assume Fallout 3 PS3 sold 99,999.  It's being very generous,  because that's not the right number,  the right number is inargueably lower.

Dude.   Fallout 3 had roughly 7 million in sales, not shipped sales.  Conspiracy theory rant all you want, but their games sell really well.  

[AlanC9]

Ahglock wrote...
But if you want the sales numbers not including direct digital downloads form steam.

3,941,739 Xbox360
2,693,254 PS3
1,620,904 PC packaged retail discs 

Or a bit over 8 million copies sold so far even when not including steam downloads.  

Were those supposed to be links?

[argonian persona]

Ahglock wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Is Skyrim that much more successful than Oblivion?

They have already shipped 10 million copies.  I think oblivion sold in the 5 million range.  

I posted links a dozen pages back give or take,  but I'll summarize it here again.

You've gotta be *really* careful with any numbers Bethesda hands out.  They made a big announcement about 4.6 million units with Fallout 3,  but when you did the math on the NPD numbers,  being very generous with the unknowns*,  you end up around 1.8 million units sold.

From everything I've seen,  Bethesda overships by a very large margin,  and makes announcements about it.  Looks like they try to trick people into thinking they're missing something to get extra sales.

When I went christmas shopping,  my Best Buy had between 40-50 copies of Skyrim on each platform.  Which reminded me very heavily of how Circuit City was loaded down with Fallout 3 copies,  that they couldn't give away at 50% off,  not too long after release.

Plus,  let's be serious here.  Morrowind sold 4 million,  Oblivion sold around 4 million,  Skyrim's suddenly going to double that?  It's the same game,  I don't see how they're suddenly going to sell twice as many units of the same game.

Awfully convienent for Bethesda though,  that we don't get NPD numbers anymore to see what the actual sales are.

Edit:

Almost forgot my explaination...

*The PS3/PC version of Fallout 3 never hit the charts,  so you do the math by assuming it sold 1 unit less than the lowest reported game.  I.e.,  if Game #10 sold 100,000 units,  you assume Fallout 3 PS3 sold 99,999.  It's being very generous,  because that's not the right number,  the right number is inargueably lower.

Dude.   Fallout 3 had roughly 7 million in sales, not shipped sales.  Conspiracy theory rant all you want, but their games sell really well.  

Way better than BioWare rpgs. Skyrim almost tripled DA2 sales....in 48 hrs.

Found this article interesting:

http://www.computera...-steam-records/


Calling The Elder Scrolls a behemoth. And its an rpg. Valve also confirms it shatters Steam records.

It's already affecting DA3...but how will it impact Mass Effect 3? Has it already impacted ME3 development last second? Dlc?

[argonian persona]

One way it didn't impact it was marketing.

While Mass Effect 3 decided to portray metal and non-traditional Mass Effect music. Also, as can be seen in this trailer, exploration is just as important in rpg marketing as combat. There's combat I'm this trailer, but also exploration. Showing scenery, the outside of a dungeon, spanning cities with the fully explorable wilderness backdrops, showing off lighting effects while exploring a cave section in Bleak Falls Barrow, and the list goes on.

This, right here, is how to make an epic trailer.

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=PjqsYzBrP-M

Modifié par argonian persona, 04 janvier 2012 - 06:50 .

[TexasToast712]

 In March people will be like, "What the hell is a Skyrim?"

[Cloaking_Thane]

I like both games alot, but after 1 Skyrim or ES playthrough youve pretty much played them all. Not so with BW games. Companions are much better in BW games also.

[Double_02]

Is this topic even related to Mass Effect anymore?

[Epic777]

Well lets wait and see if this is really the 'age of skyrim' <- basically has a direct and profound influence on gaming. There is thing to remember success != influence. Bioshock the series has not had a profound influence on gaming despite being a critical and commercial success.

IMHO we are still in the 'age of GTA III', 'Rainbow Six' and 'BG II:SOA'

[ediskrad327]

Skyrim era LOL

[GMagnum]

omg nooooo i think psyduck cast confuse ray on dis topic sum1 help tbh

[AlanC9]

argonian persona wrote...
 Also, as can be seen in this trailer, exploration is just as important in rpg marketing as combat.

So how come KotOR was a success? That game has even less exploration than either ME game. 

(I would have preferred that approach for ME, but I know I'll never sell you on that kind of RPG.)

[ediskrad327]

jreezy wrote...

ediskrad327 wrote...

Skyrim era LOL

Is that all you come in here to contribute? You've posted several times already that you think that the phrase "Skyrim era" is funny.

i do not remember posting that in this thread at all before, to say something that "contributes" Skyrim was good but hardly something that would mark an era

[chothug]

 This is a Bioware Forum. Ofcourse there will be more biased views against Skyrim. When you hear 1 negative thing about a game, you will believe it and spread the word. Hearing 1 thing and trying to tell others will be different. Fanboys, biased persons, and people that just hate. Skyrim is different in many ways than Mass Effect and vice versa. We all have our own opinions/point of views about each game. We should respect each others point of views.
Something we all need to learn...

Either way Mass Effect 3 is coming out in March, and hopefully it will still has its RPG elements in there. =)

[DarthSliver]

jreezy wrote...

ediskrad327 wrote...

Skyrim era LOL

Is that all you come in here to contribute? You've posted several times already that you think that the phrase "Skyrim era" is funny.

Actually Skyrim era is a LOL because Skyrim has no era when the game doesnt work properly. It has too many bugs and this isnt the first Bethesda title that has been released with this. PC version only works well because of mods nothing else or nothing the devs actually did. The devs actually broke the game further trying to fix the issue, its like Microsoft not actually knowing why the 360 goes RROD because there are many factors that cause it that it can be a number of things. Skyrim is nothing when half the people who purchase it cant enjoy it because of gamebreaking bugs. 

Mass Effect 3 is going to be great and Skyrim will be forgotten that is all there is to it. Skyrim era ended early if there ever was an era when people who brought it realized how poor the coding in the game was. 

[GayFemshep]

My roommate is actually playing this Skyrim right now. It's had four major game breaking bugs in the first hour.

Seriously? How did that much did they go though this game before it went gold??

Modifié par GayFemshep, 04 janvier 2012 - 08:03 .

[log1x_dr4g0n]

jreezy wrote...

Double_02 wrote...

Is this topic even related to Mass Effect anymore?

Nope. It should be locked.

Or just stop posting in it and let the thread die. lol

[Thoth_Amon]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 In March people will be like, "What the hell is a Skyrim?"

Hmmm, I don't know about that.  The Creation Kit on Steam is going to add a lot of life to it.  

Besides, everyone knows March is all about Max Payne 3.  

[AtreiyaN7]

chothug wrote...

 This is a Bioware Forum. Ofcourse there will be more biased views against Skyrim. When you hear 1 negative thing about a game, you will believe it and spread the word. Hearing 1 thing and trying to tell others will be different. Fanboys, biased persons, and people that just hate. Skyrim is different in many ways than Mass Effect and vice versa. We all have our own opinions/point of views about each game. We should respect each others point of views.
Something we all need to learn...

Either way Mass Effect 3 is coming out in March, and hopefully it will still has its RPG elements in there. =)

You do realize that quite a few of us enjoy Skyrim, right? However, since Skyrim does nothing revolutionary in terms of gameplay and is basically the same as every other TES game (only with better graphics), it hardly seems lke it's done anything game-changing enough to merit this overblown proclamation of it suddenly being a post-Skyrim era. I love the game, but seriously? It's a bit much. I didn't see anyone declaring a post-Fallout 3 era or a post-Oblivion era. I'm sure Skyrim's success means it will be influential in RPG-land, but it doesn't mean every current and future game should ape it. Sometimes the sandbox thing isn't appropriate, but more open worlds and exploration are certainly nice if viable (and appropriate) in a game. Story-wise, Skyrim was better than Oblivion, but it does kind of suffer in comparison to games with a tighter narrative and more colorful characters. Also, as much as I enjoy Skyrim, the favorite abilities system & keybinds sucked.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 04 janvier 2012 - 09:34 .

[1136342t54_]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 In March people will be like, "What the hell is a Skyrim?"

Hmmm, I don't know about that.  The Creation Kit on Steam is going to add a lot of life to it.  

Besides, everyone knows March is all about Max Payne 3.  

That is the main problem I have with Bethesda. They sometimes rely too much on the modding community to make their games more interesting and warrant more than just one or 2 playthroughs. Then again the mods are amazing enough to make the game replayable and far more awesome. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

[AngryFrozenWater]

The approach of Bethesda is completely different from what BioWare is doing.

BioWare had two great franchises (Dragon Age and Mass Effect) and instead of improving and expanding what they had, they looked at the latest trends in other games from other companies and hope that by mimicking those they'll satisfy the stockholders. The RPG market was seen as a niche market and thus that has got to go. Both franchises show the signs of that.

Beth has the TES franchise in which it tries to improve and expand its basic formula (a sandbox RPG with a lot of freedom for the player). They don't look much at the latest trends and in general the franchise is true to itself. Beth gave Skyrim a lot of love and attention. That shows. Is it perfect? Most certainly not. But the flaws and bugs don't keep the fans from playing it.

Beth also believes in modding and tries to deliver great tools for that. Too bad Sony and Microsoft didn't want to support mods on their system. Beth certainly tried. Instead Beth found a partner in Steam to improve the modding experience on the PC platform. A new Steam service will be introduced which allows easy access to gamer created mods. That is dedication.

It is interesting that TES still keeps concepts that DA2 and ME2 abandoned, such as a silent PC. We will never be sure if it was because or despite that, but the series sold a silly number of copies.

I think that if the doctors want to learn anything from Skyrim, then maybe the best thing they can do is look at BW's own franchises first and determine what worked and what not. Maybe they should look also at Beth's general approach and not Skyrim's features.

Another good thing BW should do is be less aggressive when it comes to privacy rights. With that I mean is that it should make collecting telemetric data "opt-in" and not a vague "opt-out". Maybe they should ask their colleagues over at Origin to do the same. You know, not supporting SOPA is not enough if Origin violates the gamer's privacy anyway.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 janvier 2012 - 09:44 .

[argonian persona]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 In March people will be like, "What the hell is a Skyrim?"

Hmmm, I don't know about that.  The Creation Kit on Steam is going to add a lot of life to it.  

Besides, everyone knows March is all about Max Payne 3.  

Ouch. Max Payne and Rockstar. Together? Look out!

[argonian persona]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

The approach of Bethesda is completely different from what BioWare is doing.

BioWare had two great franchises (Dragon Age and Mass Effect) and instead of improving and expanding what they had, they looked at the latest trends in other games from other companies and hope that by mimicking those they'll satisfy the stockholders. The RPG market was seen as a niche market and thus that has got to go. Both franchises show the signs of that.

Beth has the TES franchise in which it tries to improve and expand its basic formula (a sandbox RPG with a lot of freedom for the player). They don't look much at the latest trends and in general the franchise is true to itself. Beth gave Skyrim a lot of love and attention. That shows. Is it perfect? Most certainly not. But the flaws and bugs don't keep the fans from playing it.

Beth also believes in modding and tries to deliver great tools for that. Too bad Sony and Microsoft didn't want to support mods on their system. Beth certainly tried. Instead Beth found a partner in Steam to improve the modding experience on the PC platform. A new Steam service will be introduced which allows easy access to gamer created mods. That is dedication.

It is interesting that TES still keeps concepts that DA2 and ME2 abandoned, such as a silent PC. We will never be sure if it was because or despite that, but the series sold a silly number of copies.

I think that if the doctors want to learn anything from Skyrim, then maybe the best thing they can do is look at BW's own franchises first and determine what worked and what not. Maybe they should look also at Beth's general approach and not Skyrim's features.

Another good thing BW should do is be less aggressive when it comes to privacy rights. With that I mean is that it should make collecting telemetric data "opt-in" and not a vague "opt-out". Maybe they should ask their colleagues over at Origin to do the same. You know, not supporting SOPA is not enough if Origin violates the gamer's privacy anyway.

I feel, too, BioWare should release toolkits....dev toolkits...for fans to mod the games and have fun with it. Obviously redistribution is theft, but fans modding owned, purchased copies? Fans would create amazing level designs and robust rpg mechanics such as convenient and efficient inventory systems, loot, new missions, you name it.

And, just maybe, modders could add in sick weapons, new biotic powers and new characters....ala Blasto.

I must say....it'd be sweet exploring on an open world planet that's very detailed and has artwork like Avatar with Shepard holding the classic RPG-90 from GoldenEye 007.

Modifié par argonian persona, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:05 .