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[Mclouvins]

1136342t54 wrote...

Thoth_Amon wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 In March people will be like, "What the hell is a Skyrim?"

Hmmm, I don't know about that.  The Creation Kit on Steam is going to add a lot of life to it.  

Besides, everyone knows March is all about Max Payne 3.  

That is the main problem I have with Bethesda. They sometimes rely too much on the modding community to make their games more interesting and warrant more than just one or 2 playthroughs. Then again the mods are amazing enough to make the game replayable and far more awesome. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

They sort of rely on the community to fix their games too much as well. Oblivion unoffical patch anyone?

[AlanC9]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...


It is interesting that TES still keeps concepts that DA2 and ME2 abandoned, such as a silent PC. We will never be sure if it was because or despite that, but the series sold a silly number of copies.

Oh, please. A spoken PC is just irrelevant to TES games, which aren't interested in dialog and character in the first place.

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 janvier 2012 - 10:30 .

[neenee77]

argonian persona wrote...

Paper thin story???

Lol.

It's a million times better than DAII's story.

Problem is.....it isn't a cinematic movie.

Anyways, back on topic....

When ME3 is released, how will it be received??? Will it gain the new fans it wanted while abandoning those who loved the games and watched it die? Or will it fall flat on its face and bomb? I've already heard grumblings similar to mine.

I personally loved DA2 and that was my first game back. I loved it because of the character interactions which were amazing! Second game back was ME2 because of the story, choices, and character interactions, and consequences for decisions made in me1 (or in my case interactive comic).
Now I just bought skyrim 5 after my husband rented it and I have logged in about 80 + hours so far and i love it! I agree the story is good, the exploration is awesome and there definately isn't a shortage of quests (this could be a pro and con though). It is a different game compared to mass effect. ME isn't open world and me3 will not be open world either but we will be able to go to multiple places on planets this time. so that does open it up a bit.
I dont think that me3 will fall flat at all. I think that it will actually please everyone. plus it will tell a good story and have great character interactions. I think it will gain alot of new fans. I think that most (but not all) of these grumblings are from purists that dont know what they are talking about. the reason that they dont know what they are talking about is that 2 different teams worked on this game and that the teams were complete (meaning a full team, no one was left to take up the slack of someone that needed to be there because they were working on multiplayer).  Multiplayer is and for the last time OPTIONAL. OPTIONAL.  also there are different modes for the game so that a person can focus on story, rpg, combat so that really can please everyone. could this just be the optomist in me,... yep. but i dont think so. bioware does listen to their fans. and after da2's complaints (repeatative dungeon maps and the fact that you could not change the outcome) I really believe that ME3 will be the epic conclusion that they say it will be. I look at it this way if they dont deliver then people wont buy anymore and they are not going to let that happen. they just wont. its not smart from a business perpective. I think it will be a happy medium. in saying that i am sure that there will be some purists that will hate it but they wont have anything to base their anger on because they didn't even buy a copy in the first place. they just cancelled their pre-order when they heard multiplayer and i took that copy so...
btw i may or may not play the multiplayer, as i dont care one way or another about it. it does give me the option to play with my brother and his wife when they buy a copy.

now if skyrim could just add the character interactions and real consequences for your actions like in me and da that would be a perfect game. oh and fix the bugs.

Modifié par neenee77, 04 janvier 2012 - 11:17 .

[neenee77]

HiroVoid wrote...

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

OMG

...They said hey had seperate teams working on SP and MP. So, there's no resources being sucked up for one or the other, and you don't need to play MP if you don't want to.

It does make me wonder though...is it put on the same disc as one of the single-player discs which in turn makes less space for single-player content.  Also, is the MP counted into the budget that ME3 was given to develop with?

to answer this question again: they have gone to a differnet disc format. the new format can have triple the amount of data that the old format had. so there. yep its all on one disc. and no it will not suck up more of the single player experience.

[argonian persona]

AlanC9 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...


It is interesting that TES still keeps concepts that DA2 and ME2 abandoned, such as a silent PC. We will never be sure if it was because or despite that, but the series sold a silly number of copies.

Oh, please. A spoken PC is just irrelevant to TES games, which aren't interested in dialog and character in the first place.

Could you imagine PC voiceovers for 10 different races? Yowza...that'd be a lot. Also, not desirable.

[best_eva]

argonian persona wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...


It is interesting that TES still keeps concepts that DA2 and ME2 abandoned, such as a silent PC. We will never be sure if it was because or despite that, but the series sold a silly number of copies.

Oh, please. A spoken PC is just irrelevant to TES games, which aren't interested in dialog and character in the first place.

Could you imagine PC voiceovers for 10 different races? Yowza...that'd be a lot. Also, not desirable.

Yowza, meow, woot there it is:lol:, loser

[The Elder King]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...


It is interesting that TES still keeps concepts that DA2 and ME2 abandoned, such as a silent PC. We will never be sure if it was because or despite that, but the series sold a silly number of copies.

Did you mean ME, not ME2, right? Because I think that the ME IP was never developed to have a silent PC.

[The Elder King]

jreezy wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...


It is interesting that TES still keeps concepts that DA2 and ME2 abandoned, such as a silent PC. We will never be sure if it was because or despite that, but the series sold a silly number of copies.

Did you mean ME, not ME2, right? Because I think that the ME IP was never developed to have a silent PC.

Using the Mass Effect series, no matter which game, doesn't work too well in this example considering it never had a silent PC to begin with.

You're right, but using ME is better than ME2. ME could've abandon the tradition of Bioware of making games with silent PC. ME2, instead, didn't abandon anything, considering that is a sequel of game with a voiced PC.

[argonian persona]

neenee77 wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

Paper thin story???

Lol.

It's a million times better than DAII's story.

Problem is.....it isn't a cinematic movie.

Anyways, back on topic....

When ME3 is released, how will it be received??? Will it gain the new fans it wanted while abandoning those who loved the games and watched it die? Or will it fall flat on its face and bomb? I've already heard grumblings similar to mine.

I personally loved DA2 and that was my first game back. I loved it because of the character interactions which were amazing! Second game back was ME2 because of the story, choices, and character interactions, and consequences for decisions made in me1 (or in my case interactive comic).
Now I just bought skyrim 5 after my husband rented it and I have logged in about 80 + hours so far and i love it! I agree the story is good, the exploration is awesome and there definately isn't a shortage of quests (this could be a pro and con though). It is a different game compared to mass effect. ME isn't open world and me3 will not be open world either but we will be able to go to multiple places on planets this time. so that does open it up a bit.
I dont think that me3 will fall flat at all. I think that it will actually please everyone. plus it will tell a good story and have great character interactions. I think it will gain alot of new fans. I think that most (but not all) of these grumblings are from purists that dont know what they are talking about. the reason that they dont know what they are talking about is that 2 different teams worked on this game and that the teams were complete (meaning a full team, no one was left to take up the slack of someone that needed to be there because they were working on multiplayer).  Multiplayer is and for the last time OPTIONAL. OPTIONAL.  also there are different modes for the game so that a person can focus on story, rpg, combat so that really can please everyone. could this just be the optomist in me,... yep. but i dont think so. bioware does listen to their fans. and after da2's complaints (repeatative dungeon maps and the fact that you could not change the outcome) I really believe that ME3 will be the epic conclusion that they say it will be. I look at it this way if they dont deliver then people wont buy anymore and they are not going to let that happen. they just wont. its not smart from a business perpective. I think it will be a happy medium. in saying that i am sure that there will be some purists that will hate it but they wont have anything to base their anger on because they didn't even buy a copy in the first place. they just cancelled their pre-order when they heard multiplayer and i took that copy so...
btw i may or may not play the multiplayer, as i dont care one way or another about it. it does give me the option to play with my brother and his wife when they buy a copy.

now if skyrim could just add the character interactions and real consequences for your actions like in me and da that would be a perfect game. oh and fix the bugs.

One thing you neglected to discuss was Origin. However, I don't think the complaining is exclusively from purists. Its good BioWare is remaining optimistic with ME3. I for one am keeping an open mind by the fact I'm continuing to hope for the best and will be looking aggressively at reviews, analysis, fan feedback and scores of the game before determining its value, but no buy until then. And im skeptical.

I'm open to new concepts (Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning...very excited...a true hybrid) but can the same be said about the crowd BioWare covets? Lots of individual's consoles might as well be called Madden Box or Call of Duty Box, because that's all they buy and play and wouldn't care less about Mass Effect. Mass Effect 3 may receive a rise in revenue, but it won't touch Skyrim and it will be because of PS3.

I can tell you're an employee, and I appreciate your optimism, but myself and a large part of the fanbase disagree with a few things you discussed.

[Joccaren]

Post Skyrim era it will feel much the same. A semi-linear story in a semi-linear world. It will, of course, have better dialogue and characters than Skyrim did (Lets be honest, pretty much EVERY NPC in that game felt empty and shallow. There was no depth to 99% of them, and that 1% you would spend 0.15% of your time around). The environments, whilst not as large as a whole continent, will feel more alive than Skyrim's, and the combat will hopefully be more exciting (After right clicking to swing a sword at an enemy 1000 times, it kinda gets old).
Skyrim was a good game, but it and the ME series are rather different. Skyrim focuses on the large, open world feel, and giving the player the ability to do anything, whilst ME focuses on smaller environments, and the details within, and making the decisions the player makes matter in at least some small way (What did killing Alduin really do? You got called 'Dovahkiin' by the guards sometimes. Nothing else acknowledged it [And that damn Companions guy who 'has never heard of [you]', even though you just saved the world, are Thane of the hold he is in [And the whole of Skyrim basically], leader of every other guild and chosen of every Daedric Lord.]).
Will it sell as much as Skyrim? Who's to know. I personally don't think so. Skyrim had a rather aggressive campaign with its adds, and showcased the game as a whole with them rather than the improvements to the combat and a few set pieces [as an example, the main trailer showed you locations in the world, and focused not as much on the combat. I personally, and many others I have spoken to, think of this as a better approach than the current ME marketing. We want to see more environments, preferably without a fight going on or Shepard standing around].
Whatever the case, I will be getting ME3, and will likely play it more than Skyrim. Skyrim suffers from what I call the 'Deus Ex Jack of all Trades Syndrome' (Thankyou to Ben 'Yahtzee' Croshaw for coming up with this [Basic overview: In Deus Ex, you are given the opportunity to approach battles in different ways, but by the end you will approach everything basically the same way as everyone else. Allowing you to master everything takes any form of replayability out of the game, as you have experienced everything it has to offer in the first playthrough], whilst Mass Effect tends to have at the very least Story replayability, and usually also class replayability to try things out in a different way.

Those are my personal views on this issue. Thankyou and good day.

[shepskisaac]

jreezy wrote...

Speaking of, I hope to get the new Tomb Raider as soon as it releases. Hopefully it isn't releasing too close to Max Payne 3, Hitman Absolution, or BioShock Infinite

Dunno when BioShock & Hitman are getting released, but Tomb Raider is slated for Q3 2012 and considering that it's been in developement for 3 years now, I doubt it's gonna get delayed. MP3 is getting released in March

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

How is this thread still going?

[1136342t54_]

Mclouvins wrote...
They sort of rely on the community to fix their games too much as well. Oblivion unoffical patch anyone?

Which is my main problem with them. I won't lie I enjoyed Oblivion but the mods are what really made the game very playable. Many PC games do have modding communities that carry the game but it didn't necessarily need it to fix the game. Freaking vanilla Oblivion just doesn't feel right compared to the modded one. 

[log1x_dr4g0n]

Awesomness wrote...

How is this thread still going?

Because...people keep posting in it.

[Gatt9]

argonian persona wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...


It is interesting that TES still keeps concepts that DA2 and ME2 abandoned, such as a silent PC. We will never be sure if it was because or despite that, but the series sold a silly number of copies.

Oh, please. A spoken PC is just irrelevant to TES games, which aren't interested in dialog and character in the first place.

Could you imagine PC voiceovers for 10 different races? Yowza...that'd be a lot. Also, not desirable.

It's a Bethesda game,  it'd be one voice actor 10 times.

One thing you neglected to discuss was Origin. However, I don't think the complaining is exclusively from purists. Its good BioWare is remaining optimistic with ME3. I for one am keeping an open mind by the fact I'm continuing to hope for the best and will be looking aggressively at reviews, analysis, fan feedback and scores of the game before determining its value, but no buy until then. And im skeptical

Obviously,  you aren't being honest here.

http://www.metacriti...crolls-v-skyrim

5.2 rating,  how skeptical are you when you're labeling a game fans gave a 5.2 as the second coming?

I'm open to new concepts (Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning...very excited...a true hybrid) but can the same be said about the crowd BioWare covets? Lots of individual's consoles might as well be called Madden Box or Call of Duty Box, because that's all they buy and play and wouldn't care less about Mass Effect. Mass Effect 3 may receive a rise in revenue, but it won't touch Skyrim and it will be because of PS3.

You're still failing to realize Bethesda's long history of playing games with numbers. 

I can tell you're an employee, and I appreciate your optimism, but myself and a large part of the fanbase disagree with a few things you discussed.

Actually,  given what I've seen from Bethesda,  I'd say the odds are better that you're an employee for them.

[LOLZAO]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 In March people will be like, "What the hell is a Skyrim?"

By March i will still be playing Skyrim.

[neenee77]

[quote]argonian persona wrote...


[/quote]

One thing you neglected to discuss was Origin. However, I don't think the complaining is exclusively from purists. Its good BioWare is remaining optimistic with ME3. I for one am keeping an open mind by the fact I'm continuing to hope for the best and will be looking aggressively at reviews, analysis, fan feedback and scores of the game before determining its value, but no buy until then. And im skeptical.

I'm open to new concepts (Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning...very excited...a true hybrid) but can the same be said about the crowd BioWare covets? Lots of individual's consoles might as well be called Madden Box or Call of Duty Box, because that's all they buy and play and wouldn't care less about Mass Effect. Mass Effect 3 may receive a rise in revenue, but it won't touch Skyrim and it will be because of PS3.

I can tell you're an employee, and I appreciate your optimism, but myself and a large part of the fanbase disagree with a few things you discussed. [/quote]


you are a troll aren't you? no i am an unemployed mother of a disabled child. gaming had become a way to destress. as for origin i dont care at the moment. i am playing on my ps3 and i dont think my computer would be good enough to play me3 on anyway. I couldn't play swtor so...

Modifié par neenee77, 05 janvier 2012 - 03:25 .

[argonian persona]

LOLZAO wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 In March people will be like, "What the hell is a Skyrim?"

By March i will still be playing Skyrim.

Lol me, too. Because who needs "replayability" with 400 hour first playthroughs? And that's by sticking with a strict mage character.

People put large emphasis on replayability in those small 40 hour playthroughs. Myself included.

[Bleachrude]

I honestly think part of Skyrim's appeal is that it IS a TES game. We don't get TES games every year, hell we don't even get them every 3 years..It is closer to 4-5 years before you get a new one and I think that is part of its appeal...

By the time the next TES game comes out, everyone will have upgraded their computers and we will also be well into the next console cycle..

(Again, I'm kinda wondering how people can say Skyrim is better than Oblivion when Oblivion actually has the common populace actually react in more appropriate ways than they do in Skyrim. In terms of plot and NPC interaction, Skyrim has actually done worse than Oblivion IMO)

[GLaDOScake]

 OK... Is everyone ready for this...  I'm not sure if I should say it...  
Almost afraid as soon as I hit the "submit" button there'll be a knock on the door.

Ok... here it goes...
I didn't like Skyrim.  I tried playing it, quit.... tried again.... quit again.... seriously sat down and said I bought this game and will get through at least the main story!  ...  ..     ....  ...   quit again.  
(It was boring)    < I'm just asking for it I guess.      But seriously, I don't understand where the fun comes from in that game.

""knock""  ""knock""

Oh! shoot no!  How do I unsubmit!  quick! 

Modifié par GLaDOScake, 05 janvier 2012 - 03:58 .

[ArkkAngel007]

argonian persona wrote...

LOLZAO wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 In March people will be like, "What the hell is a Skyrim?"

By March i will still be playing Skyrim.

Lol me, too. Because who needs "replayability" with 400 hour first playthroughs? And that's by sticking with a strict mage character.

People put large emphasis on replayability in those small 40 hour playthroughs. Myself included.

Yes "small" 40 hour playthroughs for people who have careers where they can't sit around and blow off work so they can spend most of thier life in a fantasy world, and may want to do more with their vacations like spend time with their families.  

Seriously, what are you trying to prove?  This has little to do with Mass Effect 3 aside to prove that Skyrim is a superior and unsurpassable title, and this is all this topic has turned into.  Don't try to place a blame on anyone else on here, in which most have been rather reasonable and politely debated your every claim and suggestion, with many of those even having the grace to concede on points where you would not have.  

Excuse the starkness of this, but I really feel that my patience needed to be set aside, as no one else really came out to say what was needed to without trying to bait or be immature about it.

[AlanC9]

Gatt9 wrote...
Obviously,  you aren't being honest here.

http://www.metacriti...crolls-v-skyrim

5.2 rating,  how skeptical are you when you're labeling a game fans gave a 5.2 as the second coming?

Oh, great... now you're using Metacritic user scores as evidence? Any system that easily spoofed shouldn't be used for anything.

[Darthsam]

"Post Skyrim era" is quite a silly concept, Skyrim, as it is an awesome game, did not bring anything new to the series nor to the game indusrty, so it really cant be regard as a monumental thing.
TES series' best selling points are sandbox gameplay and its excellent modding community, and ME is all about focused narrative, deep characters and great dialogue/script which Bethesda doesnt give a crap about. They are vastly different games the OP's question is like asking "In what light will The Dark Knight Rises be viewed in the post-Harry Potter era?"