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[slimgrin]

AlexXIV wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Nonsense. Just make a good sequel. Quality sells. Look at ME2.

Fixed.

TW2 uses superior tech to both Skyrim and ME2.  Doesn't matter if you like it or not. They took the leap that Bethesda didn't. Also, TW2 was one of the most popular RPG's last year, not sure what you're on about. 

When have good RPGs ever been about 'superiour tech'? TW2 was worse than DA2 and Skyrim last year, which makes it a bad example how to make a good sequel tbh. Also ignoring all that happened in TW1 wasn't really what made it a good sequel either. If they didn't rush the ending and at least made decisions you made before count in the end it would have been ok, but not like that. It is just another example of RPGs becoming action adventures.

Every year games will be about superior tech. That is a fact. Your take on TW2..well, count yourself in the minority.

[Ahglock]

slimgrin wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Nonsense. Just make a good sequel. Quality sells. Look at ME2.

Fixed.

TW2 uses superior tech to both Skyrim and ME2.  Doesn't matter if you like it or not. They took the leap that Bethesda didn't. Also, TW2 was one of the most popular RPG's last year, not sure what you're on about. 

When have good RPGs ever been about 'superiour tech'? TW2 was worse than DA2 and Skyrim last year, which makes it a bad example how to make a good sequel tbh. Also ignoring all that happened in TW1 wasn't really what made it a good sequel either. If they didn't rush the ending and at least made decisions you made before count in the end it would have been ok, but not like that. It is just another example of RPGs becoming action adventures.

Every year games will be about superior tech. That is a fact. Your take on TW2..well, count yourself in the minority.

Your opinion on what games are about is both an opinion, not a fact and disheartening.  IMO the quality of a game is almost never about the tech.   Opinions like yours are why we get games with crap game play but with flashy appearances.

[slimgrin]

Tech is what opens up new avenues in gameplay. Otherwise we'd all still be playing turn based games. Better tech is just what the industry needs. You wanna play board games go ahead. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 janvier 2012 - 02:57 .

[Mr_Mole]

Since when is Skyrim suddenly the standard by which all other games are measured? I mean, it was alright, but it didn't have the characterization of a BioWare game that I look for, nor did it have a very coherent story for that matter. I mean, it was 'Highlander' with dragons, FFS! Even the much-vaunted revamped gameplay felt barely evolved from what Oblivion offered years ago. In truth, I thought Morrowind was better, despite it looking like a bag of dicks by today's standards.

Although, judging by a recent article I read somewhere, BioWare was impressed enough that they're borrowing Bethesda's open-world approach for Dragon Age 3, which certainly sounds all well and good provided that the storyline isn't compromised to accommodate the newfound freedom.

[KotorEffect3]

Mr_Mole wrote...

Since when is Skyrim suddenly the standard by which all other games are measured? I mean, it was alright, but it didn't have the characterization of a BioWare game that I look for, nor did it have a very coherent story for that matter. I mean, it was 'Highlander' with dragons, FFS! Even the much-vaunted revamped gameplay felt barely evolved from what Oblivion offered years ago. In truth, I thought Morrowind was better, despite it looking like a bag of dicks by today's standards.

Although, judging by a recent article I read somewhere, BioWare was impressed enough that they're borrowing Bethesda's open-world approach for Dragon Age 3, which certainly sounds all well and good provided that the storyline isn't compromised to accommodate the newfound freedom.

Thing is I don't think Bioware needs an open world approach to their games.  DAO was not open world and look how great that was.  Not saying DA 3 should be a DAO clone but DA 3 should have more in common with DAO than it should with Skyrim,  I loved Skyrim but that kind of game is not bioware's style but this is getting off topic.  

[Mr_Mole]

^^ One word, two letters: EA.

[Ahglock]

slimgrin wrote...

Tech is what opens up new avenues in gameplay. Otherwise we'd all still be playing turn based games. Better tech is just what the industry needs. You wanna play board games go ahead. 

Tech can make things better and can imrpove game play, but it is not what games are about.  And if you want to knock board games I think you may have proved my point.  There are a lot of board games that are a blast to play, but if you are stuck on the superifcial of  tech you wont be able to see what real quality is.  

[wolfennights]

In the post Skyrim era, all the Reapers will be replaced with dragons.

[Mr_Mole]

slimgrin wrote...

Tech is what opens up new avenues in gameplay. Otherwise we'd all still be playing turn based games. Better tech is just what the industry needs. You wanna play board games go ahead. 

So, increased development costs to appease graphics ****s is going to lead to more varied styles of gameplay? Yeah, somehow I don't think so. Case in point: Final Fantasy XIII. If I remember rightly, DA:O did alright for itself in the gameplay department despite looking pretty subpar. And yet DA2, well... Let's not go there.

[Alex_SM]

It's not just "better graphics". Havok engine was "tech" and it added lots of gameplay possibilities. The destruction engine (don't know the name) in Red Faction franchise is "tech", and it's a critical gameplay point. 

Cryengine 2 is "tech" but the way it draws the world, and everything it allows, makes Crysis gameplay as it is. 

Not everything is about tech, but tech is not just about making things prettier.

Modifié par Alex_SM, 08 janvier 2012 - 03:37 .

[slimgrin]

If you consoles guys want to be left playing the modern equivalent of pacman forever, claiming the high ground because of crappy graphics, go right ahead. The rest of the world will move on. Convincing console gamers of new tech is like convincing the old timers I know of who haven't even touched a computer, that it is indeed worth their while. Both are stubborn to a fault. Open your mind. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 janvier 2012 - 11:02 .

[Mr_Mole]

jreezy wrote...

Mr_Mole wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Tech is what opens up new avenues in gameplay. Otherwise we'd all still be playing turn based games. Better tech is just what the industry needs. You wanna play board games go ahead. 

So, increased development costs to appease graphics ****s is going to lead to more varied styles of gameplay?

Practical man.

Fix'd.

[argonian persona]

Gatt9 wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

Phategod1 wrote...

I'm glad this thread is still here I just wanted to state I have played Mass Effect 1 and 2 numerous times and I never had a broken quest, so for all the accolades Skyrim will receive nothing will stick out In my mind more then broken quests in the game. So I hope ME3 will have good enough Beta testers so we wont have to put up with that BS.

I've yet to come across one broken quest in 200 hours of gameplay. I know they exist, but statistically (% of games affected) they are rare.

Can you post a link to the results of your study where you contacted every single gamer who bought a copy?

Because otherwise I strongly suspect you're just making stuff up again.

It's a hunch based off reception, but your counterarguement holds the same validity us mine. Except...you perceive its commonplace.

Have you ever played a TES game before? And if so, say, beyond ten hours?

[didymos1120]

Mr_Mole wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Tech is what opens up new avenues in gameplay. Otherwise we'd all still be playing turn based games. Better tech is just what the industry needs. You wanna play board games go ahead. 

So, increased development costs to appease graphics ****s is going to lead to more varied styles of gameplay?

"Technology improvements" doesn't simply mean "better graphics".  It includes things like scripting systems, physics engines, optimization, audio systems, content generation, AI routines of increased complexity, new hardware capabilities, etc., etc., etc.

Modifié par didymos1120, 08 janvier 2012 - 03:43 .

[AlexXIV]

jreezy wrote...

Mr_Mole wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Tech is what opens up new avenues in gameplay. Otherwise we'd all still be playing turn based games. Better tech is just what the industry needs. You wanna play board games go ahead. 

So, increased development costs to appease graphics ****s is going to lead to more varied styles of gameplay?

Straw man.

Thing is better graphics etc. are all fine and dandy but they can't forget the things that are more imporant for RPGs. Story, customisation, choices. And TW2 didn't have enough of them to make it in any way outstanding. Not to mention it was a sequel that failed to adress the prequel in any way. I mean in DA2 you at least had cameos and people still complain. In TW2 you don't even have that. For a stand-alone RPG having only one ending with a few subtle changes as to who you kill or save isn't really much. Because it'd have to compare to FONV or KotOR or Jade Empire, not to DA or ME who at least try to carry over choices from one game to the other. I mean ... choices that mean nothing. We had this topic alot already, in this very forum people shout at Bioware for their consequences being not big/good enough. But obviously in TW2 everyone is fine with them meaning nothing. That's double standart to me.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 08 janvier 2012 - 03:47 .

[Mr_Mole]

*gasps* I think I've angered the PC Collectivists. Ye Gods! Remember that developers are looking to the vast numbers of console gamers to bankroll them, while conversely, they look down on PC gamers as a minority platform prone to piracy/illegal downloading.

Sucks to be you.

Viva la console revolucion!

[KotorEffect3]

oh geez keep the platform wars out of here. Who cares who plays what on what system?

[slimgrin]

Mr_Mole wrote...

*gasps* I think I've angered the PC Collectivists. Ye Gods! Remember that developers are looking to the vast numbers of console gamers to bankroll them, while conversely, they look down on PC gamers as a minority platform prone to piracy/illegal downloading.

Sucks to be you.

Viva la console revolucion!

More like a controlled regression thanks to mama boys who stick with consoles.

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 janvier 2012 - 03:50 .

[didymos1120]

Platform wars?

<---Your PMs are thataway people.

[Mr_Mole]

Really, you can't blame the devs for selling you out; it's the few scumlords pirating the s*** out of everything not nailed down that killed the PC market. Redirect your butthurt-ness at them; I'm merely laughing at your expense after years of PC elitism overthrown at last.

[slimgrin]

Mr_Mole wrote...

Really, you can't blame the devs for selling you out; it's the few scumlords pirating the s*** out of everything not nailed down that killed the PC market. Redirect your butthurt-ness at them; I'm merely laughing at your expense after years of PC elitism overthrown at last.

Years of PC elitism? When the hell was that? Consoles have always ruied with inferior tech, sh*tty DLC, and DRM that everyone hates. Consoles have always ruled. Why do you think PC gamers hate the console industry so much?

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 janvier 2012 - 04:03 .

[Mr_Mole]

slimgrin wrote...

Mr_Mole wrote...

Really, you can't blame the devs for selling you out; it's the few scumlords pirating the s*** out of everything not nailed down that killed the PC market. Redirect your butthurt-ness at them; I'm merely laughing at your expense after years of PC elitism overthrown at last.

Years of PC elitism? When the hell was that? Consoles have always ruied with inferior tech, sh*tty DLC, and DRM that everyone hates. Consoles have always ruled. 

Don't get me wrong, anyone with half a brain can see that consoles are dragging down the PC with outmoded technology, but the customer base is a safer bet for developers than a platform home to a small rabble of thieving b*******.

And just to rub it in, Blizzard announced that Diablo 3 is to go multiplatform. The final death knell rings out across the hollow void that is gaming on a PC. Although, you guys get TOR all to yourselves. There's that at least, right?

[slimgrin]

Blizzard is dead to me. D3 already has enough strikes against it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 janvier 2012 - 11:01 .

[KotorEffect3]

Platform wars are stupid.