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[AlanC9]

argonian persona wrote...

If Skyrim is Oblivion 1.5, what does that make Mass Effect 3 relative to Mass Effect 2? Especially with brand new features like roll!

You miss the point, again.

Being Oblivion 1.5 doesn't make Skyrim bad, or even mediocre. It just makes Skyrim non-revolutionary

There is a basic structure, then its freedom. Who is your character? What is his or her backstory? Well...its whatever you want it to be. I certainly am not forced to being a human. That's example #1...I have more abilities and options to role-play right off the bat. I do what I want when I want. I don't have to play any quest I don't want after escaping my execution. 

Freedom.

Yay.

Or rather, meh. 

I've always preferred CRPGs with less freedom, myself. (And if someone wants to say that those aren't really RPGs, fine with me.)

Modifié par AlanC9, 10 janvier 2012 - 11:14 .

[Il Divo]

Bleachrude wrote...

Best RPG - Either Deux Ex:HR or Witcher 2 or Dark Souls I can see winning

Agreed. Human Revolution probably had one of my favorite settings in a game, and Dark Souls just caught me completely by surprise. Absolutely fantastic game.  

[argonian persona]

Nashiktal wrote...

Skryim isn't oblivion 1.5. If it was oblivion 1.5 it probably would have added more things than it removed.

I'm looking forward to the morrowind remake mods, that will bring skyrim up to speed. Unfortunate that fans have to be the ones to add content that was already available in previous iterations.

Perks replacing attributes was fine with me. And you enjoyed Repair spamming hammers?

Morrowind is fantastic..just remember who now controls Morrowind (yes, the Aldmeri Dominion through political imposition, but the Argonians!)

[argonian persona]

AlanC9 wrote...

argonian persona wrote...

If Skyrim is Oblivion 1.5, what does that make Mass Effect 3 relative to Mass Effect 2? Especially with brand new features like roll!

You miss the point, again.

Being Oblivion 1.5 doesn't make Skyrim bad, or even mediocre. It just makes Skyrim non-revolutionary

There is a basic structure, then its freedom. Who is your character? What is his or her backstory? Well...its whatever you want it to be. I certainly am not forced to being a human. That's example #1...I have more abilities and options to role-play right off the bat. I do what I want when I want. I don't have to play any quest I don't want after escaping my execution. 

Freedom.

Yay.

Or rather, meh. 

I've always preferred CRPGs with less freedom, myself. (And if someone wants to say that those aren't really RPGs, fine with me.)

I never made any assertion whatsoever Skyrim was revolutionary. What arguments have I asserted in any of my dialogue where I've made that claim? I keep seeing that word....revolutionary. I'm the fps genre we are im the CoD era and they haven't done anything remotely revolutionary.

I would like to know where I can find an open world game with the amount of engrossing detail Skyrim has in its environments. RDR was fantastic, but the amount of detail doesn't even come close. It's so beautiful and engrossing!

[didymos1120]

argonian persona wrote...


I never made any assertion whatsoever Skyrim was revolutionary. What arguments have I asserted in any of my dialogue where I've made that claim?

Your constant references to a "post-Skyrim era" clearly imply that it initiated some sort of revolution.  You also made this specific claim:

argonian persona wrote...

One thing you may see implemented more in the post-Skyrim era is the utilization of so-called perks. Mastered by Bethesda in Fallout 3 with Bethesda's formula used by Obsidian in New Vegas and revolutionized in Skyrim, perks enable fun choices in player Skill each time a level is raised without distributing a massive amount of points from a pool.

[Boomer-Australia]

A post skyrim era well as much as I love The Elder Scrolls (my favourite game is TESIV) and as great as skyrim is it hasn't ratified the gaming industry and the RPG genre. 
Plus perks have been around for decades and has been used in many games they may of became more popular in Fallout 3,NV and Skyrim  but many games have used them hell Call of Duty uses perks ever since COD4.
Not all RPG's will have perks because one (awesome) game uses them and the simple get points and level up system is basic but effective.
Some may depict this as a "Post Skyrim Era" but some people will depict it as a "Post Call of Duty Era" and to be correct and fair its not a post era since it didn't ratify gaming as a whole but a certain sector of it

[AlanC9]

argonian persona wrote...
I never made any assertion whatsoever Skyrim was revolutionary. What arguments have I asserted in any of my dialogue where I've made that claim? I keep seeing that word....revolutionary. I'm the fps genre we are im the CoD era and they haven't done anything remotely revolutionary. 

OK... but then the "era" term doesn't mean anything. We're in the "era" of whatever game in the category sold big recently. Whoop-de-friggin-do.

I would like to know where I can find an open world game with the amount of engrossing detail Skyrim has in its environments. RDR was fantastic, but the amount of detail doesn't even come close. It's so beautiful and engrossing!

Why are you asking that question here? Wherever you get such a game from, it won't be Bioware. Unless TOR counts? I don't know anything about that one.

[Il Divo]

AlanC9 wrote...

OK... but then the "era" term doesn't mean anything. We're in the "era" of whatever game in the category sold big recently. Whoop-de-friggin-do.

This gave me a good chuckle.

[AlanC9]

jreezy wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
We're in the "era" of whatever game in the category sold big recently. Whoop-de-friggin-do.

Call of Duty still then.

I'm still in the Half-Life era, myself. And will probably stay there since I don't think Episode 3 will ever ship.

[Il Divo]

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm still in the Half-Life era, myself. And will probably stay there since I don't think Episode 3 will ever ship.

Don't remind me. At this point, I don't think Valve can get away with releasing another Episode; we need a full-fledged Half-Life 3. Borealis here I come!

[DiebytheSword]

Il Divo wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm still in the Half-Life era, myself. And will probably stay there since I don't think Episode 3 will ever ship.

Don't remind me. At this point, I don't think Valve can get away with releasing another Episode; we need a full-fledged Half-Life 3. Borealis here I come!

If there is one thing I have learned from loving Valve, it is that I will enjoy the fruits of waiting patiently.

[Il Divo]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm still in the Half-Life era, myself. And will probably stay there since I don't think Episode 3 will ever ship.

Don't remind me. At this point, I don't think Valve can get away with releasing another Episode; we need a full-fledged Half-Life 3. Borealis here I come!

If there is one thing I have learned from loving Valve, it is that I will enjoy the fruits of waiting impatiently.

In my case.

But you're probably right either way. I was too young when Half-Life came out to really appreciate it, so I wasn't really anticipating the release of Half-Life 2. At the least, this makes me appreciate the wait the original fans had to suffer through. And considering the final product, it was damn well worth it.

Modifié par Il Divo, 11 janvier 2012 - 06:39 .

[DiebytheSword]

Il Divo wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm still in the Half-Life era, myself. And will probably stay there since I don't think Episode 3 will ever ship.

Don't remind me. At this point, I don't think Valve can get away with releasing another Episode; we need a full-fledged Half-Life 3. Borealis here I come!

If there is one thing I have learned from loving Valve, it is that I will enjoy the fruits of waiting impatiently.

In my case.

But you're probably right either way. I was too young when Half-Life came out to really appreciate it, so I wasn't really anticipating the release of Half-Life 2. At the least, this makes me appreciate the wait the original fans had to suffer through. And considering the final product, it was damn well worth it.

HL1 came out after college for me, and around some very difficult times.  HL1 was one of my escapes, and the wait for HL2 was excruciating, but not nearly as bad as the wait for HL3 after the Episodic content.

Mods were just hitting their stride at the time, and I think that helped me coast through the wait.

[Il Divo]

DiebytheSword wrote...

HL1 came out after college for me, and around some very difficult times.  HL1 was one of my escapes, and the wait for HL2 was excruciating, but not nearly as bad as the wait for HL3 after the Episodic content.

Mods were just hitting their stride at the time, and I think that helped me coast through the wait.

I think what did it is that with HL1, the implication was that it was a completely stand alone product. As was HL2. But then with the episodic content and mentions of Episode 3 and the cliffhanger ending, people more than ever were anticipating the next installment, which so far we have no word on.

[Gold Dragon]

"Post Skyrim"? Did Skyrim fall off the grid while my back was turned?

Anyways: Skyrim is a Sandbox RPG. Be whatever you want (within the game's limitations), Do what you wish. YOU tell the story.

Mass Effect is a Storybook RPG. You assume the Role of Lt. Commander Shepard, and dictate his/her actions thoughout a story told by others.

[StephanieBengal]

To the idiot that created this thread (yes you pal) I'm amazed that this has gotten so many pages. You can't even compare these games.

Stupid.

[Icinix]

You see - the thing is - every now and then a game like Skyrim comes out - and it gets rave reviews and people cry how wonderful gaming is because people are creating actual games that people can live and breathe in. Games that don't restrict you, but set you free.

People all over the world raise their hands in joy at new found freedom of the future of what games will hold.

Meanwhile - game developers all over say "Nah, too hard, too expensive." and resume work on their FPS.

Then we spend the next few years playing shooters before another game thats open gets released and heralds a new age and the pattern repeats.

I miss the 90's.

[Epic777]

I wonder if we are in the era of' BIoshock'? It did have a big impact on Skyrims gameplay.

[DarthSliver]

Icinix wrote...

You see - the thing is - every now and then a game like Skyrim comes out - and it gets rave reviews and people cry how wonderful gaming is because people are creating actual games that people can live and breathe in. Games that don't restrict you, but set you free.

People all over the world raise their hands in joy at new found freedom of the future of what games will hold.

And after they enjoy it for a bit they begin to run into the game breaking bugs good old Bethesda always leaves in their games. Doing research they learn that Bethesda is nortorius for releasing their games in buggy states and rely on patches to do the job they did it so they could get it out on a cool release date. 

So than people put the game down to wait on the patches, hoping one of them would fix the main troubles they were having with the game.

End of Story.


A game is only as great as it works, most day 1 patches are meant to fix the bugs publishers miss in their rush to get the game gold. If the game has a gamebreaking bug and the day 1 patch doesnt fix it than their is a high possiblity the purchaser will get bored of waiting for the fix and end up forgetting about the game and not caring about it by the time it does get fixed. This is the fate Bethesda has placed on Skyrim, which i did find to be awesome, but Skyrim is in no way great when its broken and there lies the problem. 


COD is the era that lives, look at games conforming to the style of COD or alot more shooter games. 

[GayFemshep]

God damn it. Now all I want is Bioshock Infinite.