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[Soul Strider]

If you aren't an mage healer  do you think  Wynne mandatory for every viable party? Because I want to put more interesting characters in my party but I am not seing myself managing to finish the game without an healer.

Modifié par Soul Strider, 01 novembre 2009 - 04:10 .

[Servant of Nature]

Morrigan can be a healer too, only reason Wynne makes things easier is because she had Group Heal the moment you get her, Morrigan would have to wait to become a spirit healer to get that, but she can still use healing spells.

[jlb524]

You could use potions to heal.

[minamber]

The basic heal spell is probably necessary for any mage (it's only one talent though, so the cost is not high), but I think that unless you play on a hard difficulty setting, you should be able to get by without a dedicated healer.

It would be pretty stupid of the devs, imho, if they forced you to take a specific NPC unless you played a specific class.

[Teemu733]

They should've offered more mage companions, because right now, you're forced to group with either Morrigan or Wynne if you don't want to play a mage. Apparently, a party without a healer is really gimped.

[Grimpeaper]

I was kinda worried about this myself... But, screw it, gotta risk it to get the biscuit.

[DalishRanger]

Potential Spoiler?:



Alistair is the only mandatory permanent party member. The others might join you for short stints when you first run into them, but none are required in the long run. So, no, Wynne is not required.

[Soul Strider]

DalishRanger wrote...

Potential Spoiler?:

Alistair is the only mandatory permanent party member. The others might join you for short stints when you first run into them, but none are required in the long run. So, no, Wynne is not required.

I was not talking about mandatory for the storyline, I was talking  about the game being impossible to finish without a dedicated healer like Wynne

[Nial Black-Knee]

I don't think you are going to get either mage in the first quarter of the game anyway, so I would hope healing potions et al, would be reasonably plentiful.

[DalishRanger]

Soul Strider wrote...

DalishRanger wrote...

Potential Spoiler?:

Alistair is the only mandatory permanent party member. The others might join you for short stints when you first run into them, but none are required in the long run. So, no, Wynne is not required.

I was not talking about mandatory for the storyline, I was talking  about the game being impossible to finish without a dedicated healer like Wynne

Ah, I see. My mistake.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Nial Black-Knee wrote...

I don't think you are going to get either mage in the first quarter of the game anyway, so I would hope healing potions et al, would be reasonably plentiful.

Up till Ostagar, correct, after Ostagar, Morrigan joins the party fairly soon after from what I've seen on a live stream of someone playing the game. Wynne I guess is dependent on how you tackle the journey.

I reckon considering there is certain points when you can annoy wynne, that it isn't an absolute necessity to keep her in the group to complete the game even if you aren't a mage or have got morrigan to take 2nd specialisation in spirit healer.

I am sure I read somewhere that there are certain specialisations party members won't accept, somehow I imagine Spirit Healer to be one Morrigan wouldn't.

[Grengrad]

In the Warden's Quest, Spain tried to go without Wynne and were stuck on a boss for an hour, and that was at normal difficulty.

Wynne is basically forced on you if you want to play any higher difficulty, unless you want to be a healer yourself.

There is nothing wrong with being forced to take a healer, but if we are being forced to take one, we should have more than 1 choice.

[Obidex]

I do not think a healer is necessary with proper potion management and a strong dedicated Damage line up..shock team with hp breaks

[mrmoneda]

DalishRanger wrote...

Potential Spoiler?:

Alistair is the only mandatory permanent party member.

You can remove Alistair from the party if you wish. No companion is mandatory.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

True the only thing about Alastair is that he will stick with you like glue up until landsmeet at least. Wardog also if you have him in the group is 100% loyal.



As said before considering you can end up killing Wynne, then there just has to be a way for you to get to the end of the game without a healer, it just means better management of potions and taking down the enemies faster.

[sypherin]

Yeah I really don't like Wynne either she's too fruity old.

Modifié par sypherin, 01 novembre 2009 - 08:13 .

[AffectedFiddle]

There is a healing line of spells available to all mages. Not as specialised as Wynn perhaps, but viable for Morrigan.

[Arttis]

With lots of health,crowd control,buffs and potions you could do the entire game with a warrior only party.Sure it is probably gonna be a lot harder.I do think it is possible.

[Suhiira]

No NPC is mandatory.

Some however will be more useful then others.

And depending on the class you choose some may be even more, or less, useful in your party.

[Forwen]

I really wish she wasn't this crucial.

[Khaydarin]

I just wish she wasnt so old

[Ajyk]

I don't mind having a dedicated healer in my group, though I'm going to experiment with using a lot of crowd control just to see if non boss fights can be cleared easily without it.

[Saivlin]

I would expect that one's chosen game difficulty would affect the necessity of having a dedicated healer. It is probably relatively easy to get by without a dedicated healer on Easy, difficult but definitely possible on Normal, and very expensive on Hard (ie, you'll probably need to buy a lot of potions).



In any event, I have heard that the game is balanced around a party consisting of one warrior, one rogue, one mage, and one free slot. From this, there are two immediately relevant logical inferences. First, that the game is likely to be more difficult if the chosen party deviates from this balance. Second, it is probably expected that a member of the group will have the Heal spell.



I would expect that having a mage that is primarily DPS, but with Heal to function as a backup in case of potion shortages or great necessity, is likely expected as part of the game balance. Furthermore, I would expect that having either two mages that are primarily DPS, but still have the Heal spell, can allow one to subsist entirely on discovered potions. Last, I would expect that mages specced for full fledged group support, either Wynne or the PC's mage, should largely eliminate the need for health potions, excepting dire emergencies.



There is evidence for this view based on the Gamebomb gameplay video. Their group was Mordecai the Primal DPS mage (and did have the heal spell) and Allistair, along with two Tower Guard NPCs that appeared to be warriors, and the difficulty was stated as Normal. The player was not really paying much attention, was not using intelligent tactics for the battles, and still managed to persist using Health potions as the primary healing source. Members of his party repeatedly died (largely from lack of attention), and he played very poorly (I really don't like being this critical of him, but it's true), and he still managed to make it through, albeit very narrowly at the end. Therefore, a player that is paying attention and using smart tactics (focus fire, defensive options, hitting with AoEs before sending the melee in, etc) can very probably manage without having a dedicated healer.

[jlb524]

I agree with what Saivlin is saying. As long as Morrigan has a heal, you should be good. Wynne offers more healing opportunities, if you want to get fancy with the healing tactics.



In my first playthrough, I'm going for a Spirit Healer, because I like the tactics of being in the healing/supporting role. I like defense and long battles. If you're a more offensive player, using Morrigan with a heal and some health potions is good enough.

[SamoanX]

lol I like how everyone is saying "with proper management" or "If you did it like this" you can go without a healer when barley anyone's played the game....



but hey I'll do it too, if you want to beat the game, get a healer. Impossible otherwise ^^