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[Cultist]

Would you like to see evil and\\or malicious companions in Dragon Age 3?
Not scoundrels or opportunists but cruel and ruthless party members
like Edwin, Viconia, Bishop or One-Of-Many?
Dragon Age 2, as well as DA:O got only "grey" companions. But would you like to see someone who is actually evil? Like tevinter magister, who is not repenting for owning slaves and abusing his power, blood mage, who wish to butcher templars or consort with demons. Assassins without moral code, reaver who fights just to spill more blood and defeat more foes?
We got a lot of good and neutral ones, but not a single bad guy\\girl on our side. the closest one to "evil companion" was Morrigan.

Modifié par Cultist, 30 décembre 2011 - 10:58 .

[Rawgrim]

Absolutely. I would also like companions that try to completely boss my character around and control him\\her. All the companions so far have been catering to my character.

[esper]

No character is good and evil in dragon age, escpially not companions which we gets to know and thus know but their strong side and their bad side.
I am glad that we have done away with good/neutral/evil
Grey characters are interesting black and white are not.
And I don't doubt that Zevran is ruthless, his humor does not mean that he isn't ready to kill who ever is in his way.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

How about seeing evil Player Character who betray and murder his companion, in order to receive powerful artifact from demon, instead?

Oops that's Skyrim.

On serious note, yeah it's probably an interesting twist to add more dimension on companion relationship.but I doubt it would appeal BioWare's goody two shoes main protagonist. It's just doesn't suit the role of their character. 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 30 décembre 2011 - 11:18 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Evil for evil's sake characters?

No.

Evil for PLOT'S sake characters?

Yes. If it creates an interesting story and isn't just a charicature of being bad, then I'd be for it, if it fits into the story that Bioware created.

A former Tevinter slave trader/blood mage, interested in only coin and power and who has racist views on non-humans, for example, is a pretty evil guy in my book. To have a reason for him to be in your party and for him (or her, I guess, no sense in being evil-prejudiced) to have an interesting story that people can connect with, would be good. But again, evil just for evil's sake I'd be against.

[jmadsen]

a compaion that is just as evil like one of many would be ****ing awesome.

[Riffuel_Raffit]

Well, in Dragon Age the characters are more fleshed out than in Baldurs Gate - Edwin worked there, but wouldn´t in DA I think.
So, like others here said, morally ambiguous characters that add to the story yes, evil for evil´s sake, no.
It would be nice to have a Yoshimo-character again, one that pretends to be on your side just to betray you later.
But since many people heavily disliked Zevran turning on you if your approval was too low, I guess that won´t happen again.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I'd like to see a thing were a character changes to be good or bad by observing your actions

[CARL_DF90]

Interesting concept but only if said character is well written and is portrayed in a way that is believable. Example, you have to CONSTANTY reign in that character with a conversation/coercion point check otherwise he or she could go rogue on you. It HAS to be interesting and engaging and not a throw away party member. You MUST have a very REAL and important reason to want to keep this character. I'm not just talking about usefulness in combat mind you. Importance to overall plot and/or to you as a possible love interest. It depends on sooo many things. Oy! What a can of worms you opened up op!

[snfonseka]

Shades of grey is better than black and white.

[ReallyRue]

'Evil' like Morrigan? Sure, I'd be interested, providing it's not just 'for teh lulz'. Morrigan came across like that sometimes, but with her background, it made sense. Similar with Velanna. If there was another 'evil' character, I'd like it to make sense and have complex reasons behind it and all that.

[Cultist]

I never mentoned evil for evil sake. Edwin wanted power above all, Bishop was a killer that was forced to serve you, One-Of-Many simply hungered, HK-47 was a droid and hated living creatures, Viconia used to think in drow categories and just don't care for somewone's sufferings.
Every "Evil" characher could be motivated to join your Hero. Tevinter magister - to gain power or exact vengerance, Blood Mage - to keep away from templars, Demons - well, just to have fun in the world along with you.
Althou, I am very sad that BioWare cut off "hardening" option from DA2. The feature was represented in KOTOR2: Sith Lords, but undeveloped - there, as you remember, you can influence your companions to shift towards Dark of Light side. the bad thing is - it was just cosmetic. But in Origins you could turn Alister and Lelian to be "hardened". Not turned evil but just less idealistic. Should this idea be improved and you can change and influence your companion's alignments, that would be awesome.

[CARL_DF90]

^ Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Arthur Cousland]

Evil is fine as long as they're not a pain to have around or just ****y for no reason. I'd end up not bringing them along much. HK-47 was a good example of an "evil" character who was also nice to have around, and a decent bodyguard. Velanna was a companion who I'd like to have seen put to the torch. It seemed like she was ****y long before she left her clan.

I'd love to have an "evil" reaver companion. There hasn't been one yet in the DA games, and I liked Nyree from Redemption. Someone who enjoys pain and making themselves stronger at their enemy's expense.

[wsandista]

Yes, as long as it isn't overdone, no "I'm going to go on a rampage and butcher this village just cause I'm evil" kind of character.

If there is a straight-up evil companion he should have a solid motive for being evil. I dont think a One-Of-Many would work as well as a Bishop in DA3.

[Gunderic]

Cultist wrote...

I never mentoned evil for evil sake. Edwin wanted power above all, Bishop was a killer that was forced to serve you, One-Of-Many simply hungered, HK-47 was a droid and hated living creatures, Viconia used to think in drow categories and just don't care for somewone's sufferings.

that's more or less evil for the sake of it.

and no I actually really prefer the grey characters. One 'evil' character I found interesting, which I actually prefer to call 'grey evil', since she had to lose a good part of her humanity just to survive, was Pisha from VTM: Bloodlines.

Come to think of it, the game had a good deal of so-called 'grey evil' characters.

Modifié par Gunderic, 30 décembre 2011 - 05:06 .

[LinksOcarina]

Funny, Anders and Fenris were already evil, depending on how you played Dragon Age II.

You can make the argument for shades of gray to their personalities, but in the end they are polar opposites of each other and could become major adversaries to you as a rival. At least, that is the perspective my Hawkes had with them.

[artifact]

I would love to see more darker and less one-sided characters. Someone like Duncan conscripting resistant PCs and his actions with Ser Jory at the Joining constrasted with the caring shown in Duncan's personality. A 'the ends justifies' the means Warden or Templar or Jowan (sp?) the bloodmage who just wanted to be loved, but with more depth than one-sided Fenris, Anders, and Merrill.

I thought Merrill was pretty grey with her self-centered and selfish actions and meglomaniac desires.

[Orian Tabris]

artifact wrote...

I would love to see more darker and less one-sided characters. Someone like Duncan conscripting resistant PCs and his actions with Ser Jory at the Joining constrasted with the caring shown in Duncan's personality. A 'the ends justifies' the means Warden or Templar or Jowan (sp?) the bloodmage who just wanted to be loved, but with more depth than one-sided Fenris, Anders, and Merrill.

I thought Merrill was pretty grey with her self-centered and selfish actions and meglomaniac desires.

Merrill isn't self-centred, selfish or megalomanic. She's actually quite caring. You obviously didn't romance her. When she moves in with Hawke, she spends most of her time down in the Alienage, instead of living it up in hightown with the rich people (but she goes back to Hawke's house at night or before s/he notices she'd left). She cries for Pol when he dies, and gives you rivalry points if you blame Pol, himself for getting scared. You don't even have to romance her to see shes not grey. She's misguided and curious.And she never strived for anything other than helping her clan (i.e. fixing the mirror)  No, the only grey companions in DA2 were Carver, Fenris, Isabela and Anders. Possibly Sebastian too, with his anger, near the end of Act 3.

Overall, none of those 3 are one-sided. Anders gets consumed by hatred for Templars and the Chantry, but before that, he had many opinions on things - whether or not he vocalised them. Fenris is often willing to kill someone (Hadriana, Varania, that Tevinter slaver guy when you first meet Fenris). If you romance him, he gets confused after "being with" Hawke, he's never felt anything like it, mostly because he knows little beyond mages, blood magic and slavery. He's never known love and affection, prior. Merrill is a very nice person, despite falling to blood magic. Similar to Fenris, she's unfamiliar with the outside world.

On a different note, I would love to see a companion who doesn't have much in the way of morality. Someone who sees not black and white, but rather is unknowingly black and white themselves. I'd like to be able to explore their beliefs (or lack thereof), and their blinded intricacies

[Il Divo]

Eh, evil is a bit of a loaded term, especially in a setting like Dragon Age which doesn't employ a clear morality system in the style of DnD or KotOR. I would definitely like to see more emphasis on morally ambiguous/questionable characters, especially if well-written. Obsidian pulled it off with KotOR 2 and I'd say Kreia is one of the best characters ever written.

[addiction21]

I prefer a morally grey character.

[Cultist]

Hmm, who is more evil - mage who turn to blood magic out of desperation, trying to save his life or templar, who wishes to protect mages by opressing them intesnively?

[ladyofpayne]

Oh yes. Evil like Morinth or Ammon Jerro. Morrigan isn't evil. Gascard Dupui is a good choise. And as LI I want bad guy too. because danger is soo sexy.

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 01 janvier 2012 - 10:07 .

[sylvanaerie]

I have enough trouble grouping with fanatic characters as it is. I spend most of my game grouped with Varric, Aveline and Bethany (in act 1) and Varric/Aveline and Merrill mostly because Merrill doesn't ****** moan and whine like Anders does at everyone. I play to have fun not psychoanalyze sociopathic companions.

So put me down for a big...



to evil companions. I much prefer the areas of grey that Bioware provides for us.