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Is TIM really a bad guy or is Cerberus attacking and TIM is "faking" the total indoctrination? (Speculation)


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LTiberious wrote...

Though its not relevant to this discussion. Because its stupid to lose you'r assets without any real gain, right? :)

 

Exactly and the bring  it all full circle  if have I  have anything with TIM is that he has made some really  terrible uses of his assets with very little gain..

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Whatever you do, don't trust TIM. You're going to regret it in ME3.

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Darth Death wrote...

Whatever you do, don't trust TIM. You're going to regret it in ME3.

 

Oh  I trust  him... Trust to  do what I know a man like will do... stab me in the back.


Trust a snake to always be what it nature dictates... a snake.

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I didn't know snakes could stab people in the back. Really talented snake.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 décembre 2011 - 02:45 .


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Dave of Canada wrote...

I didn't know snakes could stab people in the back. Really talented snake.

 


Its a figure of speech 

:huh:

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But what happens if the really talented snake is mind-controlled to stab you in the back, is it still a snake then? I mean, those snake charmers are really talented.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

But what happens if the really talented snake is mind-controlled to stab you in the back, is it still a snake then? I mean, those snake charmers are really talented.

 


LOL - I swear if ever say that... you would be the first to know. :lol:

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Another insult fest ... I will lol at Forum-Rage after releasing of ME3!

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In the comics, it says he was in contact with a reaper artifact so i wouldnt be surprised if he was.

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But if he's indoctrinated, why didn't he work alongside Saren to find the Conduit? Why did he help Commander Shepard destroy the very first Human Reaper?

Modifié par JohnnyTheWolf, 31 décembre 2011 - 03:28 .


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JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

But if he's indoctrinated, why didn't he work alongside Saren to find the Conduit? Why did he help Commander Shepard destroy the very first Human Reaper?


It could be that the Reapers' precense in the galaxy and proximity is affecting those Reaper implants or whatever he has and speeding up the process.

After all, it takes longer to be indoctrinated depending on the device and proximity to the source.

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I never once thought TIM was a good guy. I hate him and Cerberus, and even my Renegade Shepard hates him. <_<

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JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

But if he's indoctrinated, why didn't he work alongside Saren to find the Conduit? Why did he help Commander Shepard destroy the very first Human Reaper?


Because the writers had none of this planned out.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 décembre 2011 - 03:40 .


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Honestly, if you believe cerberus is right in anything they do other than wanting to kill the reapers then you are an idiot.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 03:40 .


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Dave of Canada wrote...

JohnnyTheWolf wrote...

But if he's indoctrinated, why didn't he work alongside Saren to find the Conduit? Why did he help Commander Shepard destroy the very first Human Reaper?


Because the writers had none of this planned out.

 


^  and it shows.

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Or it was before Mac Walters had the "ingenious" idea of giving Cerberus a leader, which they didn't need at all and did better without, so he could then turn Mass Effect into Cerberus Effect and let almost all the comics and books revolve around them.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Or it was before Mac Walters had the "ingenious" idea of giving Cerberus a leader, which they didn't need at all and did better without, so he could then turn Mass Effect into Cerberus Effect and let almost all the comics and books revolve around them.

Exactly. Cerberus ruined Mass Effect. It seems like everything Mass Effect related revolves around cerberus. Seriously, I want to kill cerberus more than I want to kill the reapers. I dont understand why Bioware cant think of anything else. Every ****ing comic and novel is about cerberus making some experiment that goes wrong. FFS.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 03:53 .


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Didn't care much about it as I liked the group, though them going back onto almost everything from ME1 in ME3 and make Cerberus somehow involved is ridiculously stupid.

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Kid Buu wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or it was before Mac Walters had the "ingenious" idea of giving Cerberus a leader, which they didn't need at all and did better without, so he could then turn Mass Effect into Cerberus Effect and let almost all the comics and books revolve around them.

Exactly. Cerberus ruined Mass Effect. It seems like everything Mass Effect related revolves around cerberus. Seriously, think of something else Bioware, ffs.

 


I would not  say that Cerberus  ruined  Mass Effect but the miss use of Cerberus  has done some serious damage.

Now if   TIM  turning to the Reapers is not the best  Xanatos Gambit, Malnipulative Bastard move EVER   then imma be rather  dissappoint and  a lot of tables are going to flipped and a chair or two thrown.

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It's not.

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TIM is dangerous. Each man is the hero of his own story and though he may not call himself a saint, he also would not classify himself as a devil. I recall a scholar of the Third Reich that was asked if Hitler were evil and he replied absolutely. But when asked if Hitler saw himself that way he replied absolutely not. The same could be said of TIM. He has fostered experiments on children which subjected them to torture and execution (and before you go "He didn't know anything about it and stopped it when he found out!" recall that had the program been successful he would have jumped for joy. I give you the handicapped lad that was tortured in order to control the Geth as an example of this trait and the comments made by the team leader conducting the experiments. If that isn't enough for you, how about the experiments on Grayson's daughter in the Ascension project which he most certainly did know about?

Add in assassination, theft of military property, the outright murder of Alliance marines, and God knows what else and you have a clear picture of the man's character. If you experiment on people and their children, murder their leaders both civilian and military, and work on weapons projects that have backfired endangering those same people or fed human beings to your new weapons systems (Rachni and Husks) then how is any of that justified? The human colonies that TIM was wringing his hands over were his best laboratories and that's likely why he wanted the Collectors stopped because they were wrecking his investments by taking his guinea pigs.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that old blue eyes is indoctrinated because he didn't get those freaky eyes because he likes blueberry pie. He has managed to evade the military and intelligence outfits of the most powerful races in the galaxy for decades and he just doesn't have the background to manage that feat. That means that he had a helping hand and I will bet you that it was the Reapers and everybody knows how much they love us.

With friends like TIM, who needs enemies?

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nitefyre410 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or it was before Mac Walters had the "ingenious" idea of giving Cerberus a leader, which they didn't need at all and did better without, so he could then turn Mass Effect into Cerberus Effect and let almost all the comics and books revolve around them.

Exactly. Cerberus ruined Mass Effect. It seems like everything Mass Effect related revolves around cerberus. Seriously, think of something else Bioware, ffs.

 


I would not  say that Cerberus  ruined  Mass Effect but the miss use of Cerberus  has done some serious damage.

Now if   TIM  turning to the Reapers is not the best  Xanatos Gambit, Malnipulative Bastard move EVER   then imma be rather  dissappoint and  a lot of tables are going to flipped and a chair or two thrown.

no, it did.

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Kid Buu wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or it was before Mac Walters had the "ingenious" idea of giving Cerberus a leader, which they didn't need at all and did better without, so he could then turn Mass Effect into Cerberus Effect and let almost all the comics and books revolve around them.

Exactly. Cerberus ruined Mass Effect. It seems like everything Mass Effect related revolves around cerberus. Seriously, think of something else Bioware, ffs.

 


I would not  say that Cerberus  ruined  Mass Effect but the miss use of Cerberus  has done some serious damage.

Now if   TIM  turning to the Reapers is not the best  Xanatos Gambit, Malnipulative Bastard move EVER   then imma be rather  dissappoint and  a lot of tables are going to flipped and a chair or two thrown.

no, it did.

 

I'm trying to be and agree with you  in same breath...I agree with you it did.

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nitefyre410 wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Though its not relevant to this discussion. Because its stupid to lose you'r assets without any real gain, right? :)

 

Exactly and the bring  it all full circle  if have I  have anything with TIM is that he has made some really  terrible uses of his assets with very little gain..


Gaining the collectors base pays off very well.


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Tim aligned himself with the reapers to make a truce (Molotov-Ribentrop pact, anyone?) , and then control the reapers when he has the chance.

Modifié par LTiberious, 31 décembre 2011 - 04:08 .


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Compared to what they could have done in order to expand the universe even more, they dun goofed.