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[LTiberious]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Compared to what they could have done in order to expand the universe even more, they dun goofed.

Talk to the Council about expanding the universe... "You are not allowed to activate mass relays, derp" ©

[nitefyre410]

LTiberious wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Compared to what they could have done in order to expand the universe even more, they dun goofed.

Talk to the Council about expanding the universe... "You are not allowed to activate mass relays, derp" ©

 

"Ah yes Reapers we have dismissed this claim."

Me: WHAT THERE ONE RIGHT ON FRONT FREAKING  LAWN .... FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU.
 


man its so never racking some of the bone head moves... Imma watch the trail for the new Tales game coming out to chear me up.

[GodWood]

Drone223 wrote...
^This, it was very obvious in ME2 that TIM would betray Shepard several time's 

Oh do explain it for me then.

[jcolt]

i like the concept of cereburus just not the implementation i would've gone a whole different route with them instead of space n@z! (don't know why that word is censored but it is) but its not my game so i'll just have to settle for not likin them or as other ppl have said take them over if the option exists

[jasonsantanna]

I use to think that he was indoctrination but looking at the actions o all the others that have sub-come to the the effects of indoctrination , he acts far from it . . . he is always in control calculating and one step ahead of his adversaries or at least has a contingency plan . . . if you read Mass Effect : Evolution  ,  Ben took the full hit of the device that indoctrinated him TIM , only got the after shook giving him knowledge and insight.
My belief is that he can see glimpse of future events or insight on how to calculate to achieve his goals, you see this throughout ME2 , he only uses Shep to gain his own goals , while trying to appear as though he has Humanity's 1st interest but its really his , then Cerberus the 3rd humanity, you again see he do this calculating in Mass Effect: Invasion and Retribution . . . he uses Aria , his own Cerberus troops and Grayson . . . this is the only reason he brought Shep back . . . knew that he would get the job done . . . he foreseen it. . . just my take on it.



For those who have not read the comics or books and want to check out my theory and read for themselves, link:

http://masseffect.wi...ass_Effect_Wiki

[LTiberious]

nitefyre410 wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Compared to what they could have done in order to expand the universe even more, they dun goofed.

Talk to the Council about expanding the universe... "You are not allowed to activate mass relays, derp" ©

 

"Ah yes Reapers we have dismissed this claim."

Me: WHAT THERE ONE RIGHT ON FRONT FREAKING  LAWN .... FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU.
 


man its so never racking some of the bone head moves... Imma watch the trail for the new Tales game coming out to chear me up.

Heh, and then they say that cerberus is the enemy.


You know, if you had the chance to kill someone who "100% will kill millions of people" ,  and you dont use it - the blame is ON YOU.

Cerberus did something, atleast. Maybe with bad intentions, but thanks to them we dont have a human reaper ready for ME3... 

Their methods are questionable, but the results speak for themselves.

[jcolt]

and the pro cereburus anti cereburus war has started

[ultimatekotorfan]

I, for one, don't agree with Cerberus ideals, but I don't wax Paragon when it comes to its value. Their methods are questionable but they get the job done. That's more than the Council ever did. Their content to just sit on their hands and let the galaxy run its course without doing anything about it.I don't trust or agree with TIM, but a partnership with him is far better and beneficial than an alliance with the Council. You had to buy your own damn weapons for f*cks sake.

[nitefyre410]

LTiberious wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Compared to what they could have done in order to expand the universe even more, they dun goofed.

Talk to the Council about expanding the universe... "You are not allowed to activate mass relays, derp" ©

 

"Ah yes Reapers we have dismissed this claim."

Me: WHAT THERE ONE RIGHT ON FRONT FREAKING  LAWN .... FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU.
 


man its so never racking some of the bone head moves... Imma watch the trail for the new Tales game coming out to chear me up.

Heh, and then they say that cerberus is the enemy.


You know, if you had the chance to kill someone who "100% will kill millions of people" ,  and you dont use it - the blame is ON YOU.

Cerberus did something, atleast. Maybe with bad intentions, but thanks to them we dont have a human reaper ready for ME3... 

Their methods are questionable, but the results speak for themselves.

 


Which now hightlghts my biggest  issue with  Mass Effect...  the Exterme's... either one is too passive or the so extreme is down right A moral, complete monster evil that almost as bad as the Genocidal  Gaint Robotic talking Space Squid. but looks  viable when give the  Council option of complete and utter denial.  


 Cerberus reminds me of the Artemis from FMA ... " Oh look we made the  Philosphers Stone." "Hey Sweet hold did you do it."    " Oh engineered the masscre of thousands  around the country  to collect their souls and used them an engery but hey we got results."  


"Human...souls"  

[jcolt]

closer to a ww3 judgin from most threads

[NexusIsaac]

I don't know with TIM but my best shot is that he IS indoctrinated, but only weakly. Like Saren; the less control a subject gets, the less capable it becomes.
The Illusive Man surely acts to what he beliefs is the right thing to do, but is actually redirected by the Reapers. Only weakly though, since he is able to help Shepard. But it seems the indoctrination gets stronger as the Reapers close in.

[JamieCOTC]

He's a horrible man.

[string3r]

That grin in ME2's renegade ending says otherwise.

[Labrev]

string3r wrote...

That grin in ME2's renegade ending says otherwise.

To be fair, it's the same grin I make when these topics are created.




> mfw players put all their chips into a losing team, lose, and blame the game for it.

[naledgeborn]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

*snip*

> mfw players put all their chips into a losing team, lose, and blame the game for it.

That's the point of these threads though. It's not supposed to be "a losing team" it's supposed to be a different, yet viable path. As of the leak it's not even a path at all it's a joke.

[GodWood]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
> mfw players put all their chips into a losing team, lose, and blame the game for it.

Not at all.
But it's not like you've bothered to listen to the complaints before so why would you start now.

[Sisterofshane]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

string3r wrote...

That grin in ME2's renegade ending says otherwise.

To be fair, it's the same grin I make when these topics are created.


*picture snip*

> mfw players put all their chips into a losing team, lose, and blame the game for it.

I think a lot of people feel sorry for TIM from what happened in Evolution.  They don't want to believe that he could be the antagonist.  But seriously, he is portrayed as untrustworthy in ME2.  It may be different in ME3, but I serioujsly doubt it.

[GodWood]

Sisterofshane wrote...
I think a lot of people feel sorry for TIM from what happened in Evolution.

From what I've seen no. The overwhelming majority of people have an uncontrollable hatred for TIM as they have a tendency to project all of Cerberus's crimes on to him even if he was not involved/had no knowledge/was against it. The people who do support him however don't do so out of sympathy.

For me (out of character) it's because I like my characters, ruthless, cunning and machiavellian. In character it's because TIM has proven himself to be a valuable ally by providing intel, gear, a ship and so on. He's also the only person/group who is actively helping Shepard fight the galaxy wide threat that is the Reapers.
 
To toss this ally away would be foolish.

They don't want to believe that he could be the antagonist.

I don't want him to be the antagonist because there is little reason for him to be the antagaonist.

[nitefyre410]

GodWood wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
I think a lot of people feel sorry for TIM from what happened in Evolution.

From what I've seen no. The overwhelming majority of people have an uncontrollable hatred for TIM as they have a tendency to project all of Cerberus's crimes on to him even if he was not involved/had no knowledge/was against it. The people who do support him however don't do so out of sympathy.

For me (out of character) it's because I like my characters, ruthless, cunning and machiavellian. In character it's because TIM has proven himself to be a valuable ally by providing intel, gear, a ship and so on. He's also the only person/group who is actively helping Shepard fight the galaxy wide threat that is the Reapers.
 
To toss this ally away would be foolish.

They don't want to believe that he could be the antagonist.

I don't want him to be the antagonist because there is little reason for him to be the antagaonist.

 

Exactly, I like him is  ruther moral ambigus role  where you  know need him but it flies in the face your morals but him joing up the  Reapers just... makes me bang my head on a table...its  like... "Oh well everyone wants him to be the villian so lets make him a villian.. " 

I feel sorry for him, I don't agree with his methods but I'll be damned if  I turn down his help with council wanting  to be full denial of what landed right on the front lawn.

And I play Paragon...so that tells how big of a bunch morons they are.

Then  Bioware hands VS   the idoit ball on Horizon after seeing the Collector ship take off.."Oh this could be a Cerberus Ploy."  

Me: you...have ..to.. be kidding me. ... What is with Bioware handing people the idoit  ball like   they're running  Nebraska Wishbone Offense.

[Sisterofshane]

GodWood wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
I think a lot of people feel sorry for TIM from what happened in Evolution.

From what I've seen no. The overwhelming majority of people have an uncontrollable hatred for TIM as they have a tendency to project all of Cerberus's crimes on to him even if he was not involved/had no knowledge/was against it. The people who do support him however don't do so out of sympathy.

For me (out of character) it's because I like my characters, ruthless, cunning and machiavellian. In character it's because TIM has proven himself to be a valuable ally by providing intel, gear, a ship and so on. He's also the only person/group who is actively helping Shepard fight the galaxy wide threat that is the Reapers.
 
To toss this ally away would be foolish.

They don't want to believe that he could be the antagonist.

I don't want him to be the antagonist because there is little reason for him to be the antagaonist.

I wasn't really talking about a majority, but a large group of people here that are sympathetic with TIM.  And I know I've said this before, TIM automatically gets responsibility for what his organization does, effectively because that is the way he chooses to run it.  He chooses to remain ignorant because it gives him a viable cop-out when it "hits the fan". 

As far as being an ally, I think that was the whole point of ME2.  You are working with Cerberus because no one else offers you the opportunity.  That being said, the second TIM's plan doesn't hash with mine (or rather, Sheps), or when he starts actively trying to stop me, they stop being allies.  And given TIM's character (you know, ruthless, cunning, machiavellian), I've always expected this to happen, from moment one. 

You may not agree with the direction his character is taking, but it is what it is.  I'm not going to lose any sleep by not including TIM under my "allies" list.

[cachx]

I haven't been on BSN for a while... but are we pretending the leaked scripts never happened? Just asking.

[Dave of Canada]

Sisterofshane wrote...

You are working with Cerberus because no one else offers you the opportunity.  That being said, the second TIM's plan doesn't hash with mine (or rather, Sheps), or when he starts actively trying to stop me, they stop being allies.

And when our plan does hash with his and the only reason he tries to stop us is due to indoctrination-induced stupidity, expect us to be bitter at how they handled one of our prefered characters.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:12 .

[Labrev]

naledgeborn wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

*snip*

> mfw players put all their chips into a losing team, lose, and blame the game for it.

That's the point of these threads though. It's not supposed to be "a losing team" it's supposed to be a different, yet viable path. As of the leak it's not even a path at all it's a joke.

I'm referring to Cerberus, not Renegadism.

When I first started playing Renegade I thought it was a fail-path, but soon saw it's not. If anything, it's the FAR more safe of the two. And frankly, after having played, I have not seen the BS myth that Paragonism = win and Renegade = lose. What is letting a terrorist like Balak and a merc leader like Vido walk "alive and at large" if not a failure? If that were the Renegade path, it would be complained about by the usual suspects (thankfully, most of us don't play as a slave to one morality).

I agree, Cerberus would be A LOT better plot device if they were a legitimate organization with success, and not the butt-of-all-jokes of the game as they are. If they made Teltin the one statisitical outlier, and everything else while dubious, successes that couldn't be argued with. If that were so, I'd give TIM the base without a second thought. Even if they became corrupted and took to space-facism, I'd say "Hey, TIM is a an with a plan, same can't be said of the councilors."

As is, they ARE the butt-of-all-jokes and everyone knows it (even their supporters). And so why in the hell would anyone, paragon or renegade, even bother? (It's an endgame decision anyway, so killing your P/R persuation score is not exactly an concern anymore either).

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:17 .

[Dave of Canada]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

When I first started playing Renegade I thought it was a fail-path, but soon saw it's not. If anything, it's the FAR more safe of the two. And frankly, after having played, I have not seen the BS myth that Paragonism = win and Renegade = lose. What is letting a terrorist like Balak and a merc leader like Vido walk "alive and at large" if not a failure?

I take it you haven't read the script, dear. Those decisions are far from failures in ME3.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:18 .